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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 15, 2020 9:12:46 GMT
Yes. Every everton season is irrelevant, unless they play us! 😁 We were 4th in league two (we were actually 2nd on Boxing Day for some time), thus giving us the chance to be where you would rather be next season. Then it ended. Now it's irrelevant. Doesn't make it desirable as I'm sure some clubs would gladly swap (like your everton fantasy). Regardless of that why did GC. say that he had taken this team as far as he could if he didnt know they were over achieving and that without an influx of 3 new players in january this position could not be maintained.his words not mine Have no idea. That's his words. Trying to look at it logically: If GC had taken us as far as he could, and we finished the season 4th, automatically we would be in play offs. And therefore, we could have been promoted. So, his words might have been taken out of context, because 4th isn't as far as you can go without the possibility of going further. Now it's irrelevant where we end up.
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Post by TaiwanGas on Mar 15, 2020 9:17:34 GMT
Yes. Every everton season is irrelevant, unless they play us! 😁 We were 4th in league two (we were actually 2nd on Boxing Day for some time), thus giving us the chance to be where you would rather be next season. Then it ended. Now it's irrelevant. Doesn't make it desirable as I'm sure some clubs would gladly swap (like your everton fantasy). Regardless of that why did GC. say that he had taken this team as far as he could if he didnt know they were over achieving and that without an influx of 3 new players in january this position could not be maintained.his words not mine I guess we all read things differently, You could read it as, 'I am about to leave'. That's how I read it!...
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Post by irenesfather on Mar 15, 2020 9:20:29 GMT
Regardless of that why did GC. say that he had taken this team as far as he could if he didnt know they were over achieving and that without an influx of 3 new players in january this position could not be maintained.his words not mine Have no idea. That's his words. Trying to look at it logically: If GC had taken us as far as he could, and we finished the season 4th, automatically we would be in play offs. And therefore, we could have been promoted. So, his words might have been taken out of context, because 4th isn't as far as you can go without the possibility of going further. Now it's irrelevant where we end up. Looking at it even more logically the team exceeded expectations with very few injuries or suspensions but he knew that couldn't last and when that happened they couldn't maintain the form.the keeper saved us a number of points prior to xmas but when he got injured which would still have happened the replacement wasnt good enough so we would have conceded more goals.ok we probably would have got more points but insufficient to maintain that lofty position
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 15, 2020 9:26:59 GMT
Have no idea. That's his words. Trying to look at it logically: If GC had taken us as far as he could, and we finished the season 4th, automatically we would be in play offs. And therefore, we could have been promoted. So, his words might have been taken out of context, because 4th isn't as far as you can go without the possibility of going further. Now it's irrelevant where we end up. Looking at it even more logically the team exceeded expectations with very few injuries or suspensions but he knew that couldn't last and when that happened they couldn't maintain the form.the keeper saved us a number of points prior to xmas but when he got injured which would still have happened the replacement wasnt good enough so we would have conceded more goals.ok we probably would have got more points but insufficient to maintain that lofty position In your opinion.some of us feel differently.
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Post by TaiwanGas on Mar 15, 2020 9:57:35 GMT
Have no idea. That's his words. Trying to look at it logically: If GC had taken us as far as he could, and we finished the season 4th, automatically we would be in play offs. And therefore, we could have been promoted. So, his words might have been taken out of context, because 4th isn't as far as you can go without the possibility of going further. Now it's irrelevant where we end up. Looking at it even more logically the team exceeded expectations with very few injuries or suspensions but he knew that couldn't last and when that happened they couldn't maintain the form.the keeper saved us a number of points prior to xmas but when he got injured which would still have happened the replacement wasnt good enough so we would have conceded more goals.ok we probably would have got more points but insufficient to maintain that lofty position Hang on a min!, we were on a tremendous run of form, 4th in the League and had just beaten Ipswich away. At that precise moment, when we all should have been celebrating an historic win GC dropped the bombshell, at this point and no other, our decline was set in motion.
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Post by irenesfather on Mar 15, 2020 10:13:53 GMT
Looking at it even more logically the team exceeded expectations with very few injuries or suspensions but he knew that couldn't last and when that happened they couldn't maintain the form.the keeper saved us a number of points prior to xmas but when he got injured which would still have happened the replacement wasnt good enough so we would have conceded more goals.ok we probably would have got more points but insufficient to maintain that lofty position Hang on a min!, we were on a tremendous run of form, 4th in the League and had just beaten Ipswich away. At that precise moment, when we all should have been celebrating an historic win GC dropped the bombshell, at this point and no other, our decline was set in motion. Until or if he comes clean and tells us why he decided to jump ship we will never know.but if you had seen,as I have,every game last year you would have realised that the style of football was unsustainable over a longer term. If in the unlikely event we had gotten promoted this season do you honestly think that against championship side,with more artiste strikers,we would have gotten away with 30 to 40 % possession every game
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Post by TaiwanGas on Mar 15, 2020 10:33:08 GMT
Hang on a min!, we were on a tremendous run of form, 4th in the League and had just beaten Ipswich away. At that precise moment, when we all should have been celebrating an historic win GC dropped the bombshell, at this point and no other, our decline was set in motion. Until or if he comes clean and tells us why he decided to jump ship we will never know.but if you had seen,as I have,every game last year you would have realised that the style of football was unsustainable over a longer term. If in the unlikely event we had gotten promoted this season do you honestly think that against championship side,with more artiste strikers,we would have gotten away with 30 to 40 % possession every game Agreed on the come clean part. I am sure for lowest game possesion percentages, BG has over achieved over GC. Getting promoted or being crowned Champions is the main purpose of all football leagues. I would dearly love, even for just one season, to be in the Championship.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 18:24:55 GMT
Dear disgruntled football managers,
When you say that you've taken a team as far as you could, meaning that you've taken a team as far as it can go, you're an idiot.
'I've taken this club as far as I can' actually means that I am the limiting factor, that it's me who cannot take it any further or higher.
If you mean 'I've taken this club as far as it can go' then kindly have the balls to say so.
Say what you mean and mean what you say.
Your sincerely,
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Post by irishrover on Mar 16, 2020 21:40:45 GMT
Hang on a min!, we were on a tremendous run of form, 4th in the League and had just beaten Ipswich away. At that precise moment, when we all should have been celebrating an historic win GC dropped the bombshell, at this point and no other, our decline was set in motion. Until or if he comes clean and tells us why he decided to jump ship we will never know.but if you had seen,as I have,every game last year you would have realised that the style of football was unsustainable over a longer term. If in the unlikely event we had gotten promoted this season do you honestly think that against championship side,with more artiste strikers,we would have gotten away with 30 to 40 % possession every game Highly likely to be true - and if by some chance we lucked out again and got promoted we almost certainly wouldn't then be able to compete in the Premier League. And then if we got lucky again I really don't think it's realistic to think we'd have the squad to be able to win the Champions League and we couldn't possibly expect to defend our Premier League title and achieve 90s Man United level dominance.....so, you know, what's the point of even trying to win our next game?!
The point is not whether we had a decent shot or not. The point is that as a fan you want to see that play out on the pitch either way - that's kind of the whole purpose of being a fan - and there's very little evidence we even tried. As a fan you wonder what the point is if that's the best the AQ's are prepared to muster in that situation. Geoff Dunford never recovered his reputation with many for perceived failure to back Holloway in 99/00 (something I always thought was more Ollie propaganda than reality) - our current owners have gotten off very lightly for this far more egregious white flag waving exercise because Garner's particularly awful record makes for a good scapegoat. But I won't forget that we had a shot for promotion and didn't go for it - that simply shouldn't be acceptable.
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Post by TaiwanGas on Mar 16, 2020 22:09:22 GMT
Until or if he comes clean and tells us why he decided to jump ship we will never know.but if you had seen,as I have,every game last year you would have realised that the style of football was unsustainable over a longer term. If in the unlikely event we had gotten promoted this season do you honestly think that against championship side,with more artiste strikers,we would have gotten away with 30 to 40 % possession every game Highly likely to be true - and if by some chance we lucked out again and got promoted we almost certainly wouldn't then be able to compete in the Premier League. And then if we got lucky again I really don't think it's realistic to think we'd have the squad to be able to win the Champions League and we couldn't possibly expect to defend our Premier League title and achieve 90s Man United level dominance.....so, you know, what's the point of even trying to win our next game?!
The point is not whether we had a decent shot or not. The point is that as a fan you want to say that play out on the pitch either way and there's very little evidence we even tried. As a fan you wonder what the point is if that's the best the AQ's are prepared to muster in that situation. Geoff Dunford never recovered his reputation with many for perceived failure to back Holloway in 99/00 (something I always thought was more Olie propaganda than the reality) - our current owners have gotten off very lightly for this far more egregious white flag waving exercise because Garner's particularly awful record makes for a good scapegoat. But I won't forget that we had a shot for promotion and didn't go for it.
Well said Irish, I cannot fathom how some people talk about 'unsustainable' football if we got promoted!, it seems not only the ALQ's are 'shy' of promotion, some of our fans are making excuses if it happened, if it was not so sad it would be comical. WHO knows what may happen to Bristol Rovers F.C both on and off the pitch if we ever reached the Championship?.
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Post by droitwichgas on Mar 16, 2020 22:33:57 GMT
I guess the hope is the ALQ's now throw in the towel after CV takes its toll on the club's finances, and we then start again under new ownership whenever football gets back underway. If not I can see the club having a slow death as the ALQ's seem to now have zero interest in us progressing.
Who knows perhaps BCC will be encouraged to spend big post CV and they'll then build us that new stadium on the Fruit Market site (I can always dream).
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Post by irenesfather on Mar 17, 2020 9:00:09 GMT
Until or if he comes clean and tells us why he decided to jump ship we will never know.but if you had seen,as I have,every game last year you would have realised that the style of football was unsustainable over a longer term. If in the unlikely event we had gotten promoted this season do you honestly think that against championship side,with more artiste strikers,we would have gotten away with 30 to 40 % possession every game Highly likely to be true - and if by some chance we lucked out again and got promoted we almost certainly wouldn't then be able to compete in the Premier League. And then if we got lucky again I really don't think it's realistic to think we'd have the squad to be able to win the Champions League and we couldn't possibly expect to defend our Premier League title and achieve 90s Man United level dominance.....so, you know, what's the point of even trying to win our next game?!
The point is not whether we had a decent shot or not. The point is that as a fan you want to see that play out on the pitch either way - that's kind of the whole purpose of being a fan - and there's very little evidence we even tried. As a fan you wonder what the point is if that's the best the AQ's are prepared to muster in that situation. Geoff Dunford never recovered his reputation with many for perceived failure to back Holloway in 99/00 (something I always thought was more Ollie propaganda than reality) - our current owners have gotten off very lightly for this far more egregious white flag waving exercise because Garner's particularly awful record makes for a good scapegoat. But I won't forget that we had a shot for promotion and didn't go for it - that simply shouldn't be acceptable.
Not getting involved in what ifs,but I will defend geoff from allegations about not backing Holloway.he backed him as far as money would allow,what you and others fail to understand was with mauge and one or 2 others injured they still had to be paid and there was not a bottomless pit of money available. A lot of rovers fans forget how much they owe geoff for still having a club to argue about and everything he did was with the clubs best interest
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Post by eppinggas on Mar 17, 2020 10:08:37 GMT
Highly likely to be true - and if by some chance we lucked out again and got promoted we almost certainly wouldn't then be able to compete in the Premier League. And then if we got lucky again I really don't think it's realistic to think we'd have the squad to be able to win the Champions League and we couldn't possibly expect to defend our Premier League title and achieve 90s Man United level dominance.....so, you know, what's the point of even trying to win our next game?!
The point is not whether we had a decent shot or not. The point is that as a fan you want to see that play out on the pitch either way - that's kind of the whole purpose of being a fan - and there's very little evidence we even tried. As a fan you wonder what the point is if that's the best the AQ's are prepared to muster in that situation. Geoff Dunford never recovered his reputation with many for perceived failure to back Holloway in 99/00 (something I always thought was more Ollie propaganda than reality) - our current owners have gotten off very lightly for this far more egregious white flag waving exercise because Garner's particularly awful record makes for a good scapegoat. But I won't forget that we had a shot for promotion and didn't go for it - that simply shouldn't be acceptable.
Not getting involved in what ifs,but I will defend geoff from allegations about not backing Holloway.he backed him as far as money would allow,what you and others fail to understand was with mauge and one or 2 others injured they still had to be paid and there was not a bottomless pit of money available. A lot of rovers fans forget how much they owe geoff for still having a club to argue about and everything he did was with the clubs best interest I guess we all might find ourselves with a bit of time on our hands over the next few weeks/months... Here is an interesting documentary (first posted a year or so ago) about Bristol Rovers just about staying afloat when we first de-camped to Twerton. Without the Dunford's, and it's not an exaggeration - I don't think we would have a Football Club.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 17, 2020 11:01:17 GMT
Until or if he comes clean and tells us why he decided to jump ship we will never know.but if you had seen,as I have,every game last year you would have realised that the style of football was unsustainable over a longer term. If in the unlikely event we had gotten promoted this season do you honestly think that against championship side,with more artiste strikers,we would have gotten away with 30 to 40 % possession every game Highly likely to be true - and if by some chance we lucked out again and got promoted we almost certainly wouldn't then be able to compete in the Premier League. And then if we got lucky again I really don't think it's realistic to think we'd have the squad to be able to win the Champions League and we couldn't possibly expect to defend our Premier League title and achieve 90s Man United level dominance.....so, you know, what's the point of even trying to win our next game?!
The point is not whether we had a decent shot or not. The point is that as a fan you want to see that play out on the pitch either way - that's kind of the whole purpose of being a fan - and there's very little evidence we even tried. As a fan you wonder what the point is if that's the best the AQ's are prepared to muster in that situation. Geoff Dunford never recovered his reputation with many for perceived failure to back Holloway in 99/00 (something I always thought was more Ollie propaganda than reality) - our current owners have gotten off very lightly for this far more egregious white flag waving exercise because Garner's particularly awful record makes for a good scapegoat. But I won't forget that we had a shot for promotion and didn't go for it - that simply shouldn't be acceptable.
I had the fortune/misfortune to talk with Geoff about this and he told me that funds were available to Ollie but that he was the one who insisted on youth. I then put this to Ollie and he did not deny it but would only say that it wasn’t as simplistic as that but he did agree that he was given money to replace Mauge. He then just wouldn’t say more. I never went to games for six years after that awful season, so much hope and playing so well. It was brilliant until that first loss, away at Reading. Did me in
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 17, 2020 11:03:38 GMT
Not getting involved in what ifs,but I will defend geoff from allegations about not backing Holloway.he backed him as far as money would allow,what you and others fail to understand was with mauge and one or 2 others injured they still had to be paid and there was not a bottomless pit of money available. A lot of rovers fans forget how much they owe geoff for still having a club to argue about and everything he did was with the clubs best interest I guess we all might find ourselves with a bit of time on our hands over the next few weeks/months... Here is an interesting documentary (first posted a year or so ago) about Bristol Rovers just about staying afloat when we first de-camped to Twerton. Without the Dunford's, and it's not an exaggeration - I don't think we would have a Football Club. I don’t think any reasonable person could argue with that
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Post by irishrover on Mar 17, 2020 13:14:25 GMT
Highly likely to be true - and if by some chance we lucked out again and got promoted we almost certainly wouldn't then be able to compete in the Premier League. And then if we got lucky again I really don't think it's realistic to think we'd have the squad to be able to win the Champions League and we couldn't possibly expect to defend our Premier League title and achieve 90s Man United level dominance.....so, you know, what's the point of even trying to win our next game?!
The point is not whether we had a decent shot or not. The point is that as a fan you want to see that play out on the pitch either way - that's kind of the whole purpose of being a fan - and there's very little evidence we even tried. As a fan you wonder what the point is if that's the best the AQ's are prepared to muster in that situation. Geoff Dunford never recovered his reputation with many for perceived failure to back Holloway in 99/00 (something I always thought was more Ollie propaganda than reality) - our current owners have gotten off very lightly for this far more egregious white flag waving exercise because Garner's particularly awful record makes for a good scapegoat. But I won't forget that we had a shot for promotion and didn't go for it - that simply shouldn't be acceptable.
Not getting involved in what ifs,but I will defend geoff from allegations about not backing Holloway.he backed him as far as money would allow,what you and others fail to understand was with mauge and one or 2 others injured they still had to be paid and there was not a bottomless pit of money available. A lot of rovers fans forget how much they owe geoff for still having a club to argue about and everything he did was with the clubs best interest Please re-read - as KP recognises above, I was not taking a pop at Geoff Dunford at all. I have always thought the 'where did the money go?' crowd were way out of line. I was defending him from people who continue to claim we 'didn't go for it' - I think we did within the parameters we had at the time. I've always thought Ollie used that line to deflect attention from his own meltdown that season from which his tenure never recovered. Anyway, I was simply using the comparison to note that Garner is copping the flak here that, unlike in 99/00, should definitely be primarily aimed at the people above him.
I gave up being a member of Gloucestershire when they weren't even prepared to hold onto such relatively mediocre players such as William Porterfield and Adrian Ireland. Couldn't really see the point of carrying on in that situation and couldn't justify continuing to give my money over to them if they weren't prepared to try and compete. As a fan you can accept failure and even hard times - but the absence of hope is a killer. I feel something similar about a Rovers ownership that refuses to take a punt at promotion. I'm not suggesting they should have thrown money at it - simply that they needed to stay the course and see where that set of players and that approach would take us till the end of the season. It had taken us to 4th, it may not have kept us there but that's still the best positon we'd achieved that late in a season for 20 years. To blow that up mid-season and go in a totally different direction is sticking two fingers up to the paying supporters in my opinion and raises a crucial 'what's the bloody point then?' question. I can completely understand anyone that votes with their feet in that scenario.
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Post by irenesfather on Mar 17, 2020 15:35:18 GMT
Not getting involved in what ifs,but I will defend geoff from allegations about not backing Holloway.he backed him as far as money would allow,what you and others fail to understand was with mauge and one or 2 others injured they still had to be paid and there was not a bottomless pit of money available. A lot of rovers fans forget how much they owe geoff for still having a club to argue about and everything he did was with the clubs best interest Please re-read - as KP recognises above, I was not taking a pop at Geoff Dunford at all. I have always thought the 'where did the money go?' crowd were way out of line. I was defending him from people who continue to claim we 'didn't go for it' - I think we did within the parameters we had at the time. I've always thought Ollie used that line to deflect attention from his own meltdown that season from which his tenure never recovered. Anyway, I was simply using the comparison to note that Garner is copping the flak here that, unlike in 99/00, should definitely be primarily aimed at the people above him.
I gave up being a member of Gloucestershire when they weren't even prepared to hold onto such relatively mediocre players such as William Porterfield and Adrian Ireland. Couldn't really see the point of carrying on in that situation and couldn't justify continuing to give my money over to them if they weren't prepared to try and compete. As a fan you can accept failure and even hard times - but the absence of hope is a killer. I feel something similar about a Rovers ownership that refuses to take a punt at promotion. I'm not suggesting they should have thrown money at it - simply that they needed to stay the course and see where that set of players and that approach would take us till the end of the season. It had taken us to 4th, it may not have kept us there but that's still the best positon we'd achieved that late in a season for 20 years. To blow that up mid-season and go in a totally different direction is sticking two fingers up to the paying supporters in my opinion and raises a crucial 'what's the bloody point then?' question. I can completely understand anyone that votes with their feet in that scenario.
Sorry if i misread your post re geoff,who was a good friend of mine, as regards the current crop you are correct.i feel they lost interest when they didnt get what they wanted from uwe. My gut feeling is if they dont get a buyer this year they will pull the plug and either out it into administration or even worse liquidation and cash in on the mem
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 20:06:09 GMT
Football's three months away at least. We're in trouble.
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