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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 11:58:31 GMT
For a while, the thought has rattled around my old head that the players are doing exactly what that snake Campbell organised against Dave Penney, in other words deliberately under performing.
Now I'm convinced of it. Gutless tossers.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 8, 2020 12:17:12 GMT
For a while, the thought has rattled around my old head that the players are doing exactly what that snake Campbell organised against Dave Penney, in other words deliberately under performing. Now I'm convinced of it. Gutless tossers. Was going to start a thread on this myself but am glad I read this. There is such a huge gulf between GC’s tough guy approach, to the softly softly stuff that Ben does. I imagine it would be all to easy to not feel any respect to the polar difference. Of course, I am speculating on his methods based upon his lack of any emotion in his various media interviews. I do agree with you and believe he lost the players, very early in. I really thought we had maybe learned from past mistakes but now it looks like we will see an exodus of players, again. |
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Post by laughinggas on Mar 8, 2020 12:25:19 GMT
What do Maher and Mansel do, hard to imagine they are soft on the players!
This idea of loosing the changing room is difficult to understand, these guys are professional and have to play for the now and the future.
Will under performing players be signed by anyone else, just based on previous performances?
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 8, 2020 12:33:25 GMT
What do Maher and Mansel do, hard to imagine they are soft on the players! This idea of loosing the changing room is difficult to understand, these guys are professional and have to play for the now and the future. Will under performing players be signed by anyone else, just based on previous performances? Maybe their agents have already been looking. My guess is that the 2 you mention are led by Ben and so are limited in what they can do or, in this case, not do |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 12:45:44 GMT
For a while, the thought has rattled around my old head that the players are doing exactly what that snake Campbell organised against Dave Penney, in other words deliberately under performing. Now I'm convinced of it. Gutless tossers. If you were told you were being made redundant in 3 months time would you bust a gut for that employer? Especially when busting a gut could result in an injury which stops you from getting another job once that redundancy comes into effect? Course you wouldn't. It's s**t man-management from BG to go with his s**t tactical management and his s**t interviews. Somehow the clown has obviously convinced the board that it's all down to the players and that if he is given a clean slate he will magically develop some managerial nous. Spoiler alert: he won't. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 12:50:41 GMT
What do Maher and Mansel do, hard to imagine they are soft on the players! This idea of loosing the changing room is difficult to understand, these guys are professional and have to play for the now and the future. Will under performing players be signed by anyone else, just based on previous performances? The likes of Upson can say to their prospective new employer: "Look, I was part of the team that got us up to 4th in the league, then the owners brought in this total clown who had never managed, nor played a game and who slagged us all off in the press". What manager would have any sympathy for BG given a scenario like that? I know who is more likely to get another job in the football league out of Upson and Garner- and it ain't Golden Balls. |
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Post by laughinggas on Mar 8, 2020 13:00:25 GMT
For a while, the thought has rattled around my old head that the players are doing exactly what that snake Campbell organised against Dave Penney, in other words deliberately under performing. Now I'm convinced of it. Gutless tossers. If you were told you were being made redundant in 3 months time would you bust a gut for that employer? Especially when busting a gut could result in an injury which stops you from getting another job once that redundancy comes into effect? Course you wouldn't. It's s*** man-management from BG to go with his s*** tactical management and his s*** interviews. Somehow the clown has obviously convinced the board that it's all down to the players and that if he is given a clean slate he will magically develop some managerial nous. Spoiler alert: he won't. Who is being made redundant? Many of us work in a fixed term contract world, if told not to be extended makes no difference to work ethic, besides there maybe a change of heart that a renewal will come forward. Why any different for players? Sometimes think there are too many cliches in football. So we change manager and players start playing for new contracts? Still want them? |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 8, 2020 13:03:01 GMT
If you were told you were being made redundant in 3 months time would you bust a gut for that employer? Especially when busting a gut could result in an injury which stops you from getting another job once that redundancy comes into effect? Course you wouldn't. It's s*** man-management from BG to go with his s*** tactical management and his s*** interviews. Somehow the clown has obviously convinced the board that it's all down to the players and that if he is given a clean slate he will magically develop some managerial nous. Spoiler alert: he won't. Who is being made redundant? Many of us work in a fixed term contract world, if told not to be extended makes no difference to work ethic, besides there maybe a change of heart that a renewal will come forward. Why any different for players? Sometimes think there are too many cliches in football. So we change manager and players start playing for new contracts? Still want them? Fair point, well made. 👍🏻 |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 13:29:58 GMT
If you were told you were being made redundant in 3 months time would you bust a gut for that employer? Especially when busting a gut could result in an injury which stops you from getting another job once that redundancy comes into effect? Course you wouldn't. It's s*** man-management from BG to go with his s*** tactical management and his s*** interviews. Somehow the clown has obviously convinced the board that it's all down to the players and that if he is given a clean slate he will magically develop some managerial nous. Spoiler alert: he won't. Who is being made redundant? Many of us work in a fixed term contract world, if told not to be extended makes no difference to work ethic, besides there maybe a change of heart that a renewal will come forward. Why any different for players? Sometimes think there are too many cliches in football. So we change manager and players start playing for new contracts? Still want them? Putting the semantics aside the upshot is that the players have been told categorically that they are not rated by the manager and are no longer wanted by him. Is that going to motivate someone to try harder to prove him wrong and risk a career ending injury doing so, or think “f**k you then, you aren’t getting another result in charge if I can help it”? Human nature suggests it’s more likely to skew towards the latter. At the end of the day Garner needs to realise that if he is going to get any improvement on his pathetic win ratio he needs the players on side. That’s before factoring in the undoubted loss of confidence that will have beset the players after going on such a terrible run. There is literally no defending the man at this point. He took over a team in 4th, has won one game and has seen a healthy gap over the relegation spots reduced to 10 points. I really fail to see how any of that can seriously be laid at the players door. Yes, they might have downed tools, but they were doing quietly nicely thank you very much before Garner turned up and pissed all over everything. It was a successful unit that Garner inherited! He rubs me up the wrong way just reading his excuses, God knows what it must be like in training every day. |
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Mar 8, 2020 13:30:53 GMT
For a while, the thought has rattled around my old head that the players are doing exactly what that snake Campbell organised against Dave Penney, in other words deliberately under performing. Now I'm convinced of it. Gutless tossers. I don’t think this is the case. My gut feeling is that most of the players don’t understand what is being asked of them and that Benny is massively overcomplicating things where GC simplified. I base this on the way we have set out our stall in the games i have seen since the change. The clearest example of this was the two banks of two in midfield against Doncaster which just surrendered midfield to them and allowed them to pass around us at will by pushing their full backs up field. When things are clearly not working we introduce an even more chaotic system. Garner is the problem here not the players. He’s a managerial equivalent to Francis Maude - barking ideas that have no grounding in reality |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 13:46:16 GMT
For a while, the thought has rattled around my old head that the players are doing exactly what that snake Campbell organised against Dave Penney, in other words deliberately under performing. Now I'm convinced of it. Gutless tossers. I don’t think this is the case. My gut feeling is that most of the players don’t understand what is being asked of them and that Benny is massively overcomplicating things where GC simplified. I base this on the way we have set out our stall in the games i have seen since the change. The clearest example of this was the two banks of two in midfield against Doncaster which just surrendered midfield to them and allowed them to pass around us at will by pushing their full backs up field. When things are clearly not working we introduce an even more chaotic system. Garner is the problem here not the players. He’s a managerial equivalent to Francis Maude - barking ideas that have no grounding in reality But they work a treat on his copy of Championship manager so I can understand his confusion on a Saturday afternoon at 5pm. |
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Post by irenestoyboy on Mar 8, 2020 13:55:27 GMT
For a while, the thought has rattled around my old head that the players are doing exactly what that snake Campbell organised against Dave Penney, in other words deliberately under performing. Now I'm convinced of it. Gutless tossers. I don’t think this is the case. My gut feeling is that most of the players don’t understand what is being asked of them and that Benny is massively overcomplicating things where GC simplified. I base this on the way we have set out our stall in the games i have seen since the change. The clearest example of this was the two banks of two in midfield against Doncaster which just surrendered midfield to them and allowed them to pass around us at will by pushing their full backs up field. When things are clearly not working we introduce an even more chaotic system. Garner is the problem here not the players. He’s a managerial equivalent to Francis Maude - barking ideas that have no grounding in reality I agree. I don’t think we have a bitter player who was looked over for the managers job ringleading a bunch of senior pros to try and stage a coup. What I see is a young coach full of ideas that potentially could come off, but only with players better than we could ever dream of signing in a league we will never get to. This is L1. 442 or 352 are the formations used and the players here are the ones you can manage them more on desire and motivation than you can on technical ability to get you results. To say his injuries are what has held the group back is nonsense. GC was without Hare and Little for longer. GC was without JCH for the first 3 games and then a further 4 games. GC also had injuries to Ollie Clarke, Liam Sercombe and Tom Davies. He still managed with what he had. BG has signed 7 players in the window that should have improved us, but has come nowhere near. We are also now playing with belief, passion or enthusiasm as well as no structure or tactics. Out of the 19 games in charge I can only think of 2 where we deserved to win. Bolton and Blackpool, and that was only because they had a man sent off. I’m as patient as anyone but this kid hasn’t got what it takes. If I’m wrong and if he’s still here next season and we sit top of the league after 10 games I’ll donate £200 to the FFSC. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 14:02:06 GMT
I don’t think this is the case. My gut feeling is that most of the players don’t understand what is being asked of them and that Benny is massively overcomplicating things where GC simplified. I base this on the way we have set out our stall in the games i have seen since the change. The clearest example of this was the two banks of two in midfield against Doncaster which just surrendered midfield to them and allowed them to pass around us at will by pushing their full backs up field. When things are clearly not working we introduce an even more chaotic system. Garner is the problem here not the players. He’s a managerial equivalent to Francis Maude - barking ideas that have no grounding in reality I agree. I don’t think we have a bitter player who was looked over for the managers job ringleading a bunch of senior pros to try and stage a coup. What I see is a young coach full of ideas that potentially could come off, but only with players better than we could ever dream of signing in a league we will never get to. This is L1. 442 or 352 are the formations used and the players here are the ones you can manage them more on desire and motivation than you can on technical ability to get you results. To say his injuries are what has held the group back is nonsense. GC was without Hare and Little for longer. GC was without JCH for the first 3 games and then a further 4 games. GC also had injuries to Ollie Clarke, Liam Sercombe and Tom Davies. He still managed with what he had. BG has signed 7 players in the window that should have improved us, but has come nowhere near. We are also now playing with belief, passion or enthusiasm as well as no structure or tactics. Out of the 19 games in charge I can only think of 2 where we deserved to win. Bolton and Blackpool, and that was only because they had a man sent off. I’m as patient as anyone but this kid hasn’t got what it takes. If I’m wrong and if he’s still here next season and we sit top of the league after 10 games I’ll donate £200 to the FFSC. I think it’s about time you exercised these contacts of yours and next time you see him tell Wael in no uncertain terms that he needs sacking. I’ve no idea how else the fans can get through to him and one thing is for certain this situation can’t be allowed to carry on. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 14:47:35 GMT
Some really interesting perspectives from contributors to this thread, thank you.
Steve and Mrs Smegma, I do hope you're right. Apologies for the "gutless tossers" remark. There was no need
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Post by irenestoyboy on Mar 8, 2020 14:57:35 GMT
I agree. I don’t think we have a bitter player who was looked over for the managers job ringleading a bunch of senior pros to try and stage a coup. What I see is a young coach full of ideas that potentially could come off, but only with players better than we could ever dream of signing in a league we will never get to. This is L1. 442 or 352 are the formations used and the players here are the ones you can manage them more on desire and motivation than you can on technical ability to get you results. To say his injuries are what has held the group back is nonsense. GC was without Hare and Little for longer. GC was without JCH for the first 3 games and then a further 4 games. GC also had injuries to Ollie Clarke, Liam Sercombe and Tom Davies. He still managed with what he had. BG has signed 7 players in the window that should have improved us, but has come nowhere near. We are also now playing with belief, passion or enthusiasm as well as no structure or tactics. Out of the 19 games in charge I can only think of 2 where we deserved to win. Bolton and Blackpool, and that was only because they had a man sent off. I’m as patient as anyone but this kid hasn’t got what it takes. If I’m wrong and if he’s still here next season and we sit top of the league after 10 games I’ll donate £200 to the FFSC. I think it’s about time you exercised these contacts of yours and next time you see him tell Wael in no uncertain terms that he needs sacking. I’ve no idea how else the fans can get through to him and one thing is for certain this situation can’t be allowed to carry on. What makes you think I haven’t already...?? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 15:15:34 GMT
I think it’s about time you exercised these contacts of yours and next time you see him tell Wael in no uncertain terms that he needs sacking. I’ve no idea how else the fans can get through to him and one thing is for certain this situation can’t be allowed to carry on. What makes you think I haven’t already...?? Because he’s still in a job! |
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Post by alloutofgas on Mar 8, 2020 16:18:52 GMT
Who is being made redundant? Many of us work in a fixed term contract world, if told not to be extended makes no difference to work ethic, besides there maybe a change of heart that a renewal will come forward. Why any different for players? Sometimes think there are too many cliches in football. So we change manager and players start playing for new contracts? Still want them? Putting the semantics aside the upshot is that the players have been told categorically that they are not rated by the manager and are no longer wanted by him. Is that going to motivate someone to try harder to prove him wrong and risk a career ending injury doing so, or think “f you then, you aren’t getting another result in charge if I can help it”? Human nature suggests it’s more likely to skew towards the latter. At the end of the day Garner needs to realise that if he is going to get any improvement on his pathetic win ratio he needs the players on side. That’s before factoring in the undoubted loss of confidence that will have beset the players after going on such a terrible run. There is literally no defending the man at this point. He took over a team in 4th, has won one game and has seen a healthy gap over the relegation spots reduced to 10 points. I really fail to see how any of that can seriously be laid at the players door. Yes, they might have downed tools, but they were doing quietly nicely thank you very much before Garner turned up and pissed all over everything. It was a successful unit that Garner inherited! He rubs me up the wrong way just reading his excuses, God knows what it must be like in training every day. The bloke is typical of these idiot professional managers that commercial businesses employ straight out of grad school. No experience, talk in management speak, utterly clueless. Most mid season managerial changes in football are normally due to poor first team performance. This moron took over a team pushing for promotion off of the back of an historic away win. The bloke is an utter failure and the blame lies squarely with the idiot who owns the club. I will not be attending for a very long time, speaking as someone who cleared stones off of the pitch at Twerton Park summer of ‘86. |
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Mar 8, 2020 16:19:58 GMT
Some really interesting perspectives from contributors to this thread, thank you. Steve and Mrs Smegma, I do hope you're right. Apologies for the "gutless tossers" remark. There was no need No need to apologise - it’s all opinions. One thing I really admire about you is your optimism rather than the grim pessimism and perhaps reality that a number of us wallow in. It’s partly what makes you such great company - the wicked sense of humour helps too. |
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Post by irenestoyboy on Mar 8, 2020 16:38:19 GMT
What makes you think I haven’t already...?? Because he’s still in a job! They aren’t gonna listen to me mate!! I would have sacked Garner 5 games ago. |
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Post by harrybuckle on Mar 8, 2020 16:54:19 GMT
Rumours -Fleetwood mac
Craig off to Cardiff City to coach with his best mate Neil Harris side next season ?
Sercombe returning to Exeter City next season ?
Clarke, Ogogo, Little, Upson, Holmes-Dennis, Van ShotStopper, Matthews, Nichols, Hargreaves, Leahy, Rodman and Reilly all being released ?
Bennett being paid off to leave ?
Mitchell-Lawson leaving Derby for Rovers ?
The manager will stay to implement the changes and make Under 23 players.
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