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Post by stevek192 on Mar 1, 2020 12:00:39 GMT
There have been many times this season; particularly since Christmas; where spending two hours to write a report has been quite frankly difficult because it is not fun to write bad things about the team you love.Today I feel totally deflated trying to find plus points from what was an absolutely awful display from the first minute to the last so I will keep it brief.Why should I give two hours where the team can't be bothered to give us 90 minutes
Blackman 9 MOM The only player who can honestly say he had a good game. It was a top class display of goalkeeping- doing all the basics right and also producing three wonderful saves. He is so aware and quick off his line that he cuts things out at the source and his handling yesterday in difficult conditions were first class.
Kilgour 6 Unlucky not to score. Passing was questionable at times
Menayese 6 ok
Craig 5.5 Too much hoofing and didn't really breed much confidence into others
Leahy 4 Awful . Too slow in everything he does and wastes too many passes
Upson 5 Just about the best of the three but that's not saying much
Clarke 3 awful should have been taken off before half time
Sercombe 4 generally poor and dint creare much and free kick in a good position was woeful
Ginnelly 3.5 Out muscled
Clarke-Harris 5 tried hard and some good runs but looks frustrated and injury could see him missing for a few games.
Mitchell-Lawson 3.5 Out muscled but should have scored with one of our few clear chances
Subs: Abraham 3 A kid amongst men
Daly 6 Looked talented and must now start
Rodman nole
Crowd 5 Summed up the performance on the pitch.Quiet
Ref 7 Very good
Shrewsbury 5.5 A very poor team but physically strong and we never matched them.
BG Unfortunately when your Manager comes out after the game and says that the players produced nothing of the match plan or instructions you have to question whether they are either capable of the plans or just not interested enough to follow them. Either way I would say that if that was the case why did it take 63 minutes to make a substitution and then only made for an injury! I have long felt that one up front has come from the top coaches who have an abundance of quality in midfield in which they want to play all these midfielders in the team but the fact is that all season we have had a lacklustre midfield and I would go as far to say as the worst midfield in this division. It gives me no delight whatsoever to say "Told you so" but the fact is the one up front has not worked at all and all it has done is make our biggest asset JCH look a very ordinary striker who is not enjoying plying his trade in this way. I am still just in the camp of give Ben Garner a little longer to prove that he is not "out of his depth" but if he keeps up his present tactics at Southend next week after yesterdays debacle then I will soon fall into the "get rid" brigade because it hasn't worked and with 1 win in 17 it is not suddenly going to workand at the moment we will struggle to get another two wins from our remaining games because believe me Shrewsbury were absolutely dreadful but they were better than us.
Southend up next and whilst their results have been disastrous the best I can see us getting is a point and my only real hope for this season is that Tranmere don't pick up! UTG
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2020 12:06:11 GMT
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Post by laughinggas on Mar 1, 2020 12:34:00 GMT
Given most say Nichols was a waste of a place then haven't we playing one up front all season?
What was the Kilgour effort? Clarke hit crossbar wit header, cant remember anything else.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2020 12:35:15 GMT
According to Ollie Clarke ''we dipped down to their level'', stroll on!!, this in and of itself demonstrates the mentality of the failures of this side. The fact is they played us off the park, quicker, stronger and fully committed to the game plan they set out to impose on the game. Another excuse from Clarke was the effect of the wind on the game, what bollocks!!, the only wind I was aware of were the pathetic farts in the blue and white quarters.
Ben took stick yesterday well beyond an acceptable level as he left the pitch, what we need to recognise is a simple fact, this crew do not perform unless forced to, Coughlan frightened the s**t out of them, he's gone and we are back to what got Darrel Clarke in the mire, he has to roll of them into his office as Darrel did and establish the reason some of the arseholes are here, the money? or the desire to get and fight for the shirt, I'm sure we all know who would soon find the door hitting them in the arse on the way out.
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Post by laughinggas on Mar 1, 2020 12:36:36 GMT
Game best summed up when Kilgour passed to Rodman who had just decided to run up the wing so ball went off the pitch!
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Post by laughinggas on Mar 1, 2020 12:38:33 GMT
Should Maher and Mansell be doing more to motivate the players?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2020 12:39:21 GMT
A game of nothing positive?
It wasn't that good.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2020 12:43:32 GMT
BG Unfortunately when your Manager comes out after the game and says that the players produced nothing of the match plan or instructions you have to question whether they are either capable of the plans or just not interested enough to follow them. Either way I would say that if that was the case why did it take 63 minutes to make a substitution and then only made for an injury! I have long felt that one up front has come from the top coaches who have an abundance of quality in midfield in which they want to play all these midfielders in the team but the fact is that all season we have had a lacklustre midfield and I would go as far to say as the worst midfield in this division. It gives me no delight whatsoever to say "Told you so" but the fact is the one up front has not worked at all and all it has done is make our biggest asset JCH look a very ordinary striker who is not enjoying plying his trade in this way. I am still just in the camp of give Ben Garner a little longer to prove that he is not "out of his depth" but if he keeps up his present tactics at Southend next week after yesterdays debacle then I will soon fall into the "get rid" brigade because it hasn't worked and with 1 win in 17 it is not suddenly going to workand at the moment we will struggle to get another two wins from our remaining games because believe me Shrewsbury were absolutely dreadful but they were better than us.
I think he has been shocked to find the level of skill here, he is used to players having the ability to pass and move, trap a ball, pass the ball around the park in front of a player running forward, to shoot on target and bust a sodding gut for the cause, this lot couldn't give a toss and frankly trapping a bag of cement is well beyond their capability.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2020 12:50:59 GMT
The positive is that we are closer to Garner going so that the rebuilding process can begin.
After Sunderland it was the ref's fault.
Yesterday he starts by saying that he accepts responsibility, then blames the players for not doing what he told them.
He's still banging on about 'shapes and patterns', I think he's in total denial about where he and the club are. Weeks ago he needed to get a few 5 4 1 bore draws under his belt and build from there, but still it sounds like he's walking around showing players swirl formation nonsense on his iPad.
To anybody questioning whether Garner is surprised by the low quality of the players he has to work with, watch some Indian League football, it's comedy gold, defenders letting balls bounce over their heads, foul throws, it's nowhere near UK 5th tier.
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Post by mangogas15 on Mar 1, 2020 21:08:43 GMT
BG Unfortunately when your Manager comes out after the game and says that the players produced nothing of the match plan or instructions you have to question whether they are either capable of the plans or just not interested enough to follow them. Either way I would say that if that was the case why did it take 63 minutes to make a substitution and then only made for an injury! I have long felt that one up front has come from the top coaches who have an abundance of quality in midfield in which they want to play all these midfielders in the team but the fact is that all season we have had a lacklustre midfield and I would go as far to say as the worst midfield in this division. It gives me no delight whatsoever to say "Told you so" but the fact is the one up front has not worked at all and all it has done is make our biggest asset JCH look a very ordinary striker who is not enjoying plying his trade in this way. I am still just in the camp of give Ben Garner a little longer to prove that he is not "out of his depth" but if he keeps up his present tactics at Southend next week after yesterdays debacle then I will soon fall into the "get rid" brigade because it hasn't worked and with 1 win in 17 it is not suddenly going to workand at the moment we will struggle to get another two wins from our remaining games because believe me Shrewsbury were absolutely dreadful but they were better than us. I think he has been shocked to find the level of skill here, he is used to players having the ability to pass and move, trap a ball, pass the ball around the park in front of a player running forward, to shoot on target and bust a sodding gut for the cause, this lot couldn't give a toss and frankly trapping a bag of cement is well beyond their capability. Trouble is, if they beat Southend he'll stay at least another 4 games.. |
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Post by eppinggas on Mar 1, 2020 22:02:55 GMT
BG Unfortunately when your Manager comes out after the game and says that the players produced nothing of the match plan or instructions you have to question whether they are either capable of the plans or just not interested enough to follow them. Either way I would say that if that was the case why did it take 63 minutes to make a substitution and then only made for an injury! I have long felt that one up front has come from the top coaches who have an abundance of quality in midfield in which they want to play all these midfielders in the team but the fact is that all season we have had a lacklustre midfield and I would go as far to say as the worst midfield in this division. It gives me no delight whatsoever to say "Told you so" but the fact is the one up front has not worked at all and all it has done is make our biggest asset JCH look a very ordinary striker who is not enjoying plying his trade in this way. I am still just in the camp of give Ben Garner a little longer to prove that he is not "out of his depth" but if he keeps up his present tactics at Southend next week after yesterdays debacle then I will soon fall into the "get rid" brigade because it hasn't worked and with 1 win in 17 it is not suddenly going to workand at the moment we will struggle to get another two wins from our remaining games because believe me Shrewsbury were absolutely dreadful but they were better than us. I think he has been shocked to find the level of skill here, he is used to players having the ability to pass and move, trap a ball, pass the ball around the park in front of a player running forward, to shoot on target and bust a sodding gut for the cause, this lot couldn't give a toss and frankly trapping a bag of cement is well beyond their capability. Trouble is, if they beat Southend he'll stay at least another 4 games.. My nephew (Sarfend fan) reckons Southend were very unlucky to come away from Oxford with nothing after a late snake strike. I honestly don't think we're capable of beating them at Roots Hall. IMHO Southend to win at 23/10 looks good value. The Gas at 11/10 doesn't. |
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Mar 2, 2020 7:56:43 GMT
Looks like a bit of easy oseyness has crept in on top of the rookie manager effect. Sixteen points looks a lot to claw back, but Tranmere have a game in hand and we have Sunderland and Ipswich after Southend. We could soon find ourselves looking downwards as Wimbledon, Rochdale and Accrington do their usual escape act. We may well escape relegation but at this rate we could finish 4th from bottom after being 4th from top halfway through the season. Technically relegated.
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Post by harrybuckle on Mar 2, 2020 11:47:53 GMT
Shrews have only beaten Bristol City, Doncaster and now us since 4 Jan just three wins in 17 games.
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Post by irishrover on Mar 2, 2020 11:48:30 GMT
It's true that Mitchell-Lawson and Ginelly were getting consistently bullied off the ball. While we were absolutely dire you could at least see what it was we were trying to do when JCH was on the field. Ie. Get it up to him quickly with the 2 other forwards trying to link off him. When he left the field we didn't have anyone up front the ball could stick to yet continued bang balls up there to no one.
What I don't understand is why we have players like Mitchell-Lawson and Ginelly yet we have them playing in such a narrow formation that seems setting them to fail. Garner seems to want them to play just behind JCH and then run the channels. But that's asking a lot of young players because it means they are nearly always getting the ball in traffic and expected to play their way out of it. I don't know why they're not being instructed to hug the touchline instead. That would give us more options to play the ball out of midfield.
I understand the moans about 4-3-3 but I'm not sure that in itself is the issue so much as what we're trying to do with it. GC didn't play 2 up front very often either. Normally one of the forwards dropped back into the midfield and we had little width. I think Garner is obsessed with us trying to play the ball through midfield but we have no midfield play-makers and no one who makes incisive runs with the ball. So all that happens is either the ball ends up banged up top to JCH in the hope he'll make it stick or given to one of our other forwards who duly get bullied off the ball because they have no space to work in. You could switch to 4-4-2 tomorrow but while that remains the playing philosophy I don't think it would make much difference.
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