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Post by mangogas15 on Mar 1, 2020 16:13:43 GMT
I honestly can’t believe Garner is still in a job today. Firstly, where are the clowns in charge of the ship? Sat on their hands as usual. Feckless and lightweight, the pair of them. A Q&A proposed over a month ago that still hasn’t been released. Presiding over a despicable run of results that has seen us drop like a stone. Where is the sign that they give a **** and have a plan to stop the falling crowds and general apathy? It beggars belief that Garner is still allowed to carry on when it’s blatantly obvious he will never be a manager as long as I have a hole in my arse. As for Garner himself, surely anyone with an ounce of pride would realise that with a record of 1 solitary win from something like 18 games would concede he just has not got what it takes and resign. He blames the referee and the players but there seems very little introspection to his own role- if there was that would surely be reflected on the pitch with some flexibility in his approach rather than continually doing something that doesn’t work and blaming other factors for his failings? Have some fing pride man and resign, those two clowns in the boardroom don’t have the stones to do it so force their hand for the good of the club. Surely he can’t believe he is going to magically turn it round and all he needs is a few more defeats to totally s*** sides and it will suddenly come good? It’s so sad what is being allowed to happen to this club after the nothing short of epic work of DC and then the follow up by GC. The pair of them were quite forceful personalities and in hindsight seemed to be the glue keeping the place together in the absence of proper leadership from the top. We are going back where we came from and no-one at the club gives a toss. The track record of recruiting managers in the last 10 years is rubbish. DC had to go out of the league to be successful and GC was pure luck on their part, as they wanted Garner!!!!
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 1, 2020 16:21:54 GMT
Really struggled with which thread to use for this. There is so much opinion about our current run and inevitably most of it is negative towards BG. I have to ask the fundamental question, how is this manager progressive? I think the answer came to me after watching yesterday's game, he might be as a coach but we are not seeing it on the pitch, our players are not responding to him. This is when you have to review the initial decision to appoint him. He changed the style and formation of a winning team which in itself is criminal. This indicates to me that he has either been told or believes these games are all freebies because we were 4th. He has been in charge for 16 games and we have won 1. I doubt even Lee Johnson would be given that time. Regardless of the circumstances of the unfortunate family illness, or the transfer players needing time to bed in, the results and crucially performances have not been good enough. I walked away from the Blackpool game feeling that we were lucky to win, that's because we were. I don't buy the fixture congestion excuse now as they have just completed 3 Saturday only weeks, no midweek match, plenty of time for a manager to get his point across. He changed a winning team. The wingers were too lightweight yesterday, Daly looked ok when he came on, at least he tried. JCH was horrendous, but had no service. The football was awful, the conditions FOR BOTH TEAMS meant we had to keep it on the floor, we kept trying to hit long high balls in the wind, ridiculous. We didn't try to get in behind them, make their defenders work, created very few chances. 4 shots at home. 13 for ST, they weren't that good. Stop blaming the ref, that performance yesterday was about how we bounced back from the Sunderland game and there was the answer. Shrewsbury must have been laughing as their fans did with the chant 'You're so s***, we're winning away'. I'm all for giving people a chance but there was NO excuse yesterday. Any injuries we have do not detract from the fect that that starting 11 was good enough to win that game. When I hear people talking about who to take off 20 minutes in it drives me mad, the 11 should take responsibility for winning the football match. Whoever was on the bench wasn't good enough to start this week so why would they do any better? It's time for BG to go, he is not going to improve. Please quote this at me when he wins promotion next season with us with expansive free flowing exciting football. I was enjoying this season even with the so-called boring GC football, winning is not boring. 4-2 v Southend was brilliant. I always said be careful what you wish for. Now we have it. I have to admit I was one of the complainers about the poor entertainment, under GC but I never believed any manager could do this. I was too ill to go yesterday but it seems maybe a blessing of sorts. Many of the tote end group have said they are done until change comes and I can see a change, just before ST’s go on sale. It seems to me to be more of losing the players than anything else but who really knows ? We have made some massive mistakes in the past but this must go down as the worst. why bring players in if they aren’t going to start for one ? There is something very rotten about this whole saga yet it seems Garner is bulletproof. I saw a post from a guy who has been doing home & away for years and even he has said he’s done & wont be buying an ST and I’d have put my entire worth in him never even mentioning that kind of thing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2020 16:25:25 GMT
The track record of recruiting managers in the last 10 years is rubbish. DC had to go out of the league to be successful and GC was pure luck on their part, as they wanted Garner!!!! This is why I think a football club's board of directors should include a permanent experienced director of football (with a shareholding), recruiting compatible managers of the youth team, development squad, and first team; facilitating internal promotion of the former to replace the latter when they move on, and able to cover as caretaker in the mean time. Perhaps this is what some thought right for IH, who apparently now has a Grimsby Town shareholding. Why we are surprised when these businessmen and playboy owners recruit poorly to the manager's position is beyond me. Some sometimes get it right (Mr Dunford). Others not so much ( Messers Higgs and Al Qadi). But we're trusting in the football wisdom of capital, not football expertise.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2020 16:27:11 GMT
I honestly can’t believe Garner is still in a job today. Firstly, where are the clowns in charge of the ship? Sat on their hands as usual. Feckless and lightweight, the pair of them. A Q&A proposed over a month ago that still hasn’t been released. Presiding over a despicable run of results that has seen us drop like a stone. Where is the sign that they give a **** and have a plan to stop the falling crowds and general apathy? It beggars belief that Garner is still allowed to carry on when it’s blatantly obvious he will never be a manager as long as I have a hole in my arse. As for Garner himself, surely anyone with an ounce of pride would realise that with a record of 1 solitary win from something like 18 games would concede he just has not got what it takes and resign. He blames the referee and the players but there seems very little introspection to his own role- if there was that would surely be reflected on the pitch with some flexibility in his approach rather than continually doing something that doesn’t work and blaming other factors for his failings? Have some fing pride man and resign, those two clowns in the boardroom don’t have the stones to do it so force their hand for the good of the club. Surely he can’t believe he is going to magically turn it round and all he needs is a few more defeats to totally s*** sides and it will suddenly come good? It’s so sad what is being allowed to happen to this club after the nothing short of epic work of DC and then the follow up by GC. The pair of them were quite forceful personalities and in hindsight seemed to be the glue keeping the place together in the absence of proper leadership from the top. We are going back where we came from and no-one at the club gives a toss. While agreeing with a lot of what you say I don’t think the solution is quite so easy. Why should Ben Garner resign, he has a family to support and has already been out of work a lot in the past two years. And if Wael is willing to pay to fire him who will replace him, are we really sure one of the current coaching team would take the poisoned chalice or would they say no I’ll do what I’m paid to do now thanks ? The minute you take ownership of a business you are accepting huge responsibilities the most important of which is the wellbeing of your employees. But Wael has never owned a business or had employees before so he doesn’t understand this. And I don’t think Martyn Starnes really has his heart in the job so he is not going to step up and address the issue. We have many serious problems at the football club but the most pressing currently IMO is our responsibility towards Ben Garner. My proposal as posted last week would be to go back to the plan which should have been implemented on Ben’s arrival. Get the new training ground issue sorted quickly and make a big play of it. Bring in one or two specialist coaches of Ben’s choosing to help him. And now, bring in Steve Coppell or someone similar on a short term six figure contract ( value and length remaining undisclosed) to give direction. This will divert attention from Ben and the team, restore some degree of confidence within the fan base and buy time to see what transpires with ownership and other issues. But most importantly it will be doing something positive towards preserving Ben’s wellbeing. Given that he has worked for a West Brom and Crystal Palace as a coach I am sure he will not be struggling to eat if he were to resign from the job. He will pop up somewhere working with an academy’s kids and will no doubt be handsomely remunerated for it. I agree with some parts of your proposed solution, but to me the names involved just stink of mediocrity. Coppell is the managerial equivalent of Starnes, best for all if Garner leaves now and takes a Coppell with him. The pair of them can take Widdrington too- that man has built up a reputation of someone with a Midas touch off the back of Jaakola and JCH when his January transfer window work was nothing short of woeful and for those complaining about the dire quality of our midfield- who brought them to the club? Clear the bloody lot of them out and install someone like Tisdale as DOF who can guide a young hungry up and coming manager on the vagaries of passing football and install a head scout who can unearth some gems of all ages from the lower leagues. The problem is that that will all cost money and given the way the club is run at the moment there is clearly no appetite to invest further (perhaps rightly so). That is also probably a factor in Garner being allowed to continue his path of destruction- there is no money to work with to sack him, appoint a replacement and then fund a refurb of the team.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 1, 2020 16:30:39 GMT
I honestly can’t believe Garner is still in a job today. Firstly, where are the clowns in charge of the ship? Sat on their hands as usual. Feckless and lightweight, the pair of them. A Q&A proposed over a month ago that still hasn’t been released. Presiding over a despicable run of results that has seen us drop like a stone. Where is the sign that they give a **** and have a plan to stop the falling crowds and general apathy? It beggars belief that Garner is still allowed to carry on when it’s blatantly obvious he will never be a manager as long as I have a hole in my arse. As for Garner himself, surely anyone with an ounce of pride would realise that with a record of 1 solitary win from something like 18 games would concede he just has not got what it takes and resign. He blames the referee and the players but there seems very little introspection to his own role- if there was that would surely be reflected on the pitch with some flexibility in his approach rather than continually doing something that doesn’t work and blaming other factors for his failings? Have some fing pride man and resign, those two clowns in the boardroom don’t have the stones to do it so force their hand for the good of the club. Surely he can’t believe he is going to magically turn it round and all he needs is a few more defeats to totally s*** sides and it will suddenly come good? It’s so sad what is being allowed to happen to this club after the nothing short of epic work of DC and then the follow up by GC. The pair of them were quite forceful personalities and in hindsight seemed to be the glue keeping the place together in the absence of proper leadership from the top. We are going back where we came from and no-one at the club gives a toss. The perfect summary of where we are, as I see it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2020 16:35:12 GMT
Really struggled with which thread to use for this. There is so much opinion about our current run and inevitably most of it is negative towards BG. I have to ask the fundamental question, how is this manager progressive? I think the answer came to me after watching yesterday's game, he might be as a coach but we are not seeing it on the pitch, our players are not responding to him. This is when you have to review the initial decision to appoint him. He changed the style and formation of a winning team which in itself is criminal. This indicates to me that he has either been told or believes these games are all freebies because we were 4th. He has been in charge for 16 games and we have won 1. I doubt even Lee Johnson would be given that time. Regardless of the circumstances of the unfortunate family illness, or the transfer players needing time to bed in, the results and crucially performances have not been good enough. I walked away from the Blackpool game feeling that we were lucky to win, that's because we were. I don't buy the fixture congestion excuse now as they have just completed 3 Saturday only weeks, no midweek match, plenty of time for a manager to get his point across. He changed a winning team. The wingers were too lightweight yesterday, Daly looked ok when he came on, at least he tried. JCH was horrendous, but had no service. The football was awful, the conditions FOR BOTH TEAMS meant we had to keep it on the floor, we kept trying to hit long high balls in the wind, ridiculous. We didn't try to get in behind them, make their defenders work, created very few chances. 4 shots at home. 13 for ST, they weren't that good. Stop blaming the ref, that performance yesterday was about how we bounced back from the Sunderland game and there was the answer. Shrewsbury must have been laughing as their fans did with the chant 'You're so s***, we're winning away'. I'm all for giving people a chance but there was NO excuse yesterday. Any injuries we have do not detract from the fect that that starting 11 was good enough to win that game. When I hear people talking about who to take off 20 minutes in it drives me mad, the 11 should take responsibility for winning the football match. Whoever was on the bench wasn't good enough to start this week so why would they do any better? It's time for BG to go, he is not going to improve. Please quote this at me when he wins promotion next season with us with expansive free flowing exciting football. I was enjoying this season even with the so-called boring GC football, winning is not boring. 4-2 v Southend was brilliant. I always said be careful what you wish for. Now we have it. I have to admit I was one of the complainers about the poor entertainment, under GC but I never believed any manager could do this. I was too ill to go yesterday but it seems maybe a blessing of sorts. Many of the tote end group have said they are done until change comes and I can see a change, just before ST’s go on sale. It seems to me to be more of losing the players than anything else but who really knows ? We have made some massive mistakes in the past but this must go down as the worst. why bring players in if they aren’t going to start for one ? There is something very rotten about this whole saga yet it seems Garner is bulletproof. I saw a post from a guy who has been doing home & away for years and even he has said he’s done & wont be buying an ST and I’d have put my entire worth in him never even mentioning that kind of thing. On top of everything else KP, they had some kind of dark blue / purple shirts, looking in to the sun you struggled to see which players were which, so you would have left with your eyes aching as well from trying to focus for 90 minutes.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 1, 2020 16:42:31 GMT
I have to admit I was one of the complainers about the poor entertainment, under GC but I never believed any manager could do this. I was too ill to go yesterday but it seems maybe a blessing of sorts. Many of the tote end group have said they are done until change comes and I can see a change, just before ST’s go on sale. It seems to me to be more of losing the players than anything else but who really knows ? We have made some massive mistakes in the past but this must go down as the worst. why bring players in if they aren’t going to start for one ? There is something very rotten about this whole saga yet it seems Garner is bulletproof. I saw a post from a guy who has been doing home & away for years and even he has said he’s done & wont be buying an ST and I’d have put my entire worth in him never even mentioning that kind of thing. On top of everything else KP, they had some kind of dark blue / purple shirts, looking in to the sun you struggled to see which players were which, so you would have left with your eyes aching as well from trying to focus for 90 minutes. Then hallelujah that I couldn’t go as the old lamps are well dodgy at the best of times. I did hear of it on the radio but not just how much of a barrier it really was. Saved around £60 and not made myself worse so have to be grateful for that even though I hate to see what’s happening to our club. I had hoped maybe it really was our time for something good to happen.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2020 17:05:26 GMT
On top of everything else KP, they had some kind of dark blue / purple shirts, looking in to the sun you struggled to see which players were which, so you would have left with your eyes aching as well from trying to focus for 90 minutes. Then hallelujah that I couldn’t go as the old lamps are well dodgy at the best of times. I did hear of it on the radio but not just how much of a barrier it really was. Saved around £60 and not made myself worse so have to be grateful for that even though I hate to see what’s happening to our club. I had hoped maybe it really was our time for something good to happen. I don't think that the shirt clash had any affect on the game, none of our players bothered looking where they were passing the ball anyway. It was a choice for me as well, go to Rovers or watch the film , should have watched the film, the ending was less predictable.
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Post by swissgas on Mar 1, 2020 17:49:28 GMT
While agreeing with a lot of what you say I don’t think the solution is quite so easy. Why should Ben Garner resign, he has a family to support and has already been out of work a lot in the past two years. And if Wael is willing to pay to fire him who will replace him, are we really sure one of the current coaching team would take the poisoned chalice or would they say no I’ll do what I’m paid to do now thanks ? The minute you take ownership of a business you are accepting huge responsibilities the most important of which is the wellbeing of your employees. But Wael has never owned a business or had employees before so he doesn’t understand this. And I don’t think Martyn Starnes really has his heart in the job so he is not going to step up and address the issue. We have many serious problems at the football club but the most pressing currently IMO is our responsibility towards Ben Garner. My proposal as posted last week would be to go back to the plan which should have been implemented on Ben’s arrival. Get the new training ground issue sorted quickly and make a big play of it. Bring in one or two specialist coaches of Ben’s choosing to help him. And now, bring in Steve Coppell or someone similar on a short term six figure contract ( value and length remaining undisclosed) to give direction. This will divert attention from Ben and the team, restore some degree of confidence within the fan base and buy time to see what transpires with ownership and other issues. But most importantly it will be doing something positive towards preserving Ben’s wellbeing. Given that he has worked for a West Brom and Crystal Palace as a coach I am sure he will not be struggling to eat if he were to resign from the job. He will pop up somewhere working with an academy’s kids and will no doubt be handsomely remunerated for it. I agree with some parts of your proposed solution, but to me the names involved just stink of mediocrity. Coppell is the managerial equivalent of Starnes, best for all if Garner leaves now and takes a Coppell with him. The pair of them can take Widdrington too- that man has built up a reputation of someone with a Midas touch off the back of Jaakola and JCH when his January transfer window work was nothing short of woeful and for those complaining about the dire quality of our midfield- who brought them to the club? Clear the bloody lot of them out and install someone like Tisdale as DOF who can guide a young hungry up and coming manager on the vagaries of passing football and install a head scout who can unearth some gems of all ages from the lower leagues. The problem is that that will all cost money and given the way the club is run at the moment there is clearly no appetite to invest further (perhaps rightly so). That is also probably a factor in Garner being allowed to continue his path of destruction- there is no money to work with to sack him, appoint a replacement and then fund a refurb of the team. There is no even wage trickledown at Premier League clubs and my understanding is that medium level employees, whatever their titles, often earn lower wages than they would doing comparative jobs in other sectors. Evidence for this is Tom Gorringe being able to move to Rovers from his position as “head of marketing” at Brighton. At the moment I think we need a short term solution to buy time because the club is extremely unstable and no long term solution can be attempted until ownership changes.
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Post by a more piratey game on Mar 1, 2020 18:07:07 GMT
I don’t think Martyn Starnes really has his heart in the job why do you think this swiss - because he'll lose it if a takeover goes through?
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Post by swissgas on Mar 1, 2020 18:22:36 GMT
why do you think this swiss - because he'll lose it if a takeover goes through? Three reasons ampg Firstly, when Martyn was appointed in March 2018 I didn’t feel he was the right man for the job as I posted at the time. Some fans thought he had been headhunted because of his experience with Plymouth’s ground redevelopment but I didn’t think so and that myth was soon exploded when Martyn admitted he left for personal reasons and rang Wael asking for a job. Secondly, I said at the time that although I wasn’t in favor we should give at least give Martyn a chance and suggested he should (between March and July when he started) set out his vision and what his role at the club would be to win fans over and herald a new era where for the first time we had a paid CEO. He didn’t do it then and his communication since has been abysmal. Thirdly, the last three months has seen me have more contact with people close to the centre of the club than at any time in the past twelve years and through this I have discovered, from those whom I would trust, that Martyn is not performing in his role as CEO as supporters would wish him to. He is approaching retirement age and has no affinity for Rovers so really this should not come as a surprise.
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Post by a more piratey game on Mar 1, 2020 18:24:44 GMT
why do you think this swiss - because he'll lose it if a takeover goes through? Three reasons ampg Firstly, when Martyn was appointed in March 2018 I didn’t feel he was the right man for the job as I posted at the time. Some fans thought he had been headhunted because of his experience with Plymouth’s ground redevelopment but I didn’t think so and that myth was soon exploded when Martyn admitted he left for personal reasons and rang Wael asking for a job. Secondly, I said at the time that although I wasn’t in favor we should give at least give Martyn a chance and suggested he should (between March and July when he started) set out his vision and what his role at the club would be to win fans over and herald a new era where for the first time we had a paid CEO. He didn’t do it then and his communication since has been abysmal. Thirdly, the last three months has seen me have more contact with people close to the centre of the club than at any time in the past twelve years and through this I have discovered, from those whom I would trust, that Martyn is not performing in his role as CEO as supporters would wish him to. He is approaching retirement age and has no affinity for Rovers so really this should not come as a surprise. ta
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Post by a more piratey game on Mar 1, 2020 18:29:48 GMT
Three reasons ampg Firstly, when Martyn was appointed in March 2018 I didn’t feel he was the right man for the job as I posted at the time. Some fans thought he had been headhunted because of his experience with Plymouth’s ground redevelopment but I didn’t think so and that myth was soon exploded when Martyn admitted he left for personal reasons and rang Wael asking for a job. Secondly, I said at the time that although I wasn’t in favor we should give at least give Martyn a chance and suggested he should (between March and July when he started) set out his vision and what his role at the club would be to win fans over and herald a new era where for the first time we had a paid CEO. He didn’t do it then and his communication since has been abysmal. Thirdly, the last three months has seen me have more contact with people close to the centre of the club than at any time in the past twelve years and through this I have discovered, from those whom I would trust, that Martyn is not performing in his role as CEO as supporters would wish him to. He is approaching retirement age and has no affinity for Rovers so really this should not come as a surprise. ta as a PS, I think 'as supporters would wish him to' isn't much of a criterion though. He works for his boss, not supporters. And for all his incoherence, his boss is probably significantly more coherent than 'supporters'!
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Post by swissgas on Mar 1, 2020 18:38:53 GMT
as a PS, I think 'as supporters would wish him to' isn't much of a criterion though. He works for his boss, not supporters. And for all his incoherence, his boss is probably significantly more coherent than 'supporters'! Have to disagree with you there about Wael being coherent ie logical and consistent. When it comes to Rovers I think our supporters, with all our faults, are far more coherent.
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Post by a more piratey game on Mar 1, 2020 18:46:13 GMT
as a PS, I think 'as supporters would wish him to' isn't much of a criterion though. He works for his boss, not supporters. And for all his incoherence, his boss is probably significantly more coherent than 'supporters'! Have to disagree with you there about Wael being coherent ie logical and consistent. When it comes to Rovers I think our supporters, with all our faults, are far more coherent. fair enough. But as evidence of my point of view, I just look at this forum...
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Post by swissgas on Mar 1, 2020 19:11:55 GMT
Have to disagree with you there about Wael being coherent ie logical and consistent. When it comes to Rovers I think our supporters, with all our faults, are far more coherent. fair enough. But as evidence of my point of view, I just look at this forum... I think everyone here and on gaschat wants what they think is best for Rovers. But we all have different backgrounds and experiences so naturally have different opinions on how to achieve what is best for Rovers. My contribution, on the current topic of yesterday’s result being the final straw for many fans and the calls to “get rid of Garner”, is based on what I’ve learned over the years which involved trying to read the signals correctly. In the last eighteen months we’ve seen both DC and GC at the end of their tether as Rovers managers but they had the character to do something about it. And although it may be a taboo subject I do fear a bit for Ben and want to highlight the responsibilities the club has to him as it has to all it’s employees. In cases like this a solution has to be found before calamity occurs and I’m suggesting a face saving compromise to buy time and allow reflection for everyone. Hopefully the ownership situation will be resolved by the end of the season and then some long term planning can begin.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2020 19:52:43 GMT
fair enough. But as evidence of my point of view, I just look at this forum... I think everyone here and on gaschat wants what they think is best for Rovers. But we all have different backgrounds and experiences so naturally have different opinions on how to achieve what is best for Rovers. My contribution, on the current topic of yesterday’s result being the final straw for many fans and the calls to “get rid of Garner”, is based on what I’ve learned over the years which involved trying to read the signals correctly. In the last eighteen months we’ve seen both DC and GC at the end of their tether as Rovers managers but they had the character to do something about it. And although it may be a taboo subject I do fear a bit for Ben and want to highlight the responsibilities the club has to him as it has to all it’s employees. In cases like this a solution has to be found before calamity occurs and I’m suggesting a face saving compromise to buy time and allow reflection for everyone. Hopefully the ownership situation will be resolved by the end of the season and then some long term planning can begin. I know you mean well but if it’s all too much for him then he needs to walk. He has a responsibility to the club to do his job and win football matches and he is proving that he is not up to it. There is nothing there for the club to work with as he has no managerial aptitude whatsoever. One win in 17 is nothing short of scandalous and I wonder which other club would put up with it? We are past playing nicey nicey with him and we need to get real that he is not a football manager and act swiftly to correct the downward trajectory he is taking us on. I would hope that the club had some performance metrics in his contract (as most sane contracts do) and his performance should be falling well short of such metrics and he can be relieved of his duties without fuss or compensation ASAP. It was a radical experiment that hasn’t worked and the club will just be wasting time by trying to find solutions to the problem that involve keeping Garner sweet and on board.
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Post by swissgas on Mar 1, 2020 20:17:14 GMT
I think everyone here and on gaschat wants what they think is best for Rovers. But we all have different backgrounds and experiences so naturally have different opinions on how to achieve what is best for Rovers. My contribution, on the current topic of yesterday’s result being the final straw for many fans and the calls to “get rid of Garner”, is based on what I’ve learned over the years which involved trying to read the signals correctly. In the last eighteen months we’ve seen both DC and GC at the end of their tether as Rovers managers but they had the character to do something about it. And although it may be a taboo subject I do fear a bit for Ben and want to highlight the responsibilities the club has to him as it has to all it’s employees. In cases like this a solution has to be found before calamity occurs and I’m suggesting a face saving compromise to buy time and allow reflection for everyone. Hopefully the ownership situation will be resolved by the end of the season and then some long term planning can begin. I know you mean well but if it’s all too much for him then he needs to walk. He has a responsibility to the club to do his job and win football matches and he is proving that he is not up to it. There is nothing there for the club to work with as he has no managerial aptitude whatsoever. One win in 17 is nothing short of scandalous and I wonder which other club would put up with it? We are past playing nicey nicey with him and we need to get real that he is not a football manager and act swiftly to correct the downward trajectory he is taking us on. I would hope that the club had some performance metrics in his contract (as most sane contracts do) and his performance should be falling well short of such metrics and he can be relieved of his duties without fuss or compensation ASAP. It was a radical experiment that hasn’t worked and the club will just be wasting time by trying to find solutions to the problem that involve keeping Garner sweet and on board. I understand your viewpoint and maybe if I had to endure watching matches live would feel the same way. But, knowing the management of the club, do you think they will have planned for the possibility of Ben failing and be ready with a financially viable and dignified way of ensuring his exit ? Or is it more likely this will degenerate into a shambles which can only do harm ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2020 20:24:02 GMT
A lot of you seem to revel in the club being a mess.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2020 21:06:20 GMT
A lot of you seem to revel in the club being a mess. I tend to agree with you, quite a bit of pontificating and preening going on.
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