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Post by a more piratey game on Feb 8, 2020 21:19:49 GMT
. My verdict. We were much the better footballing side and should have scored 4 or 5. . Never once read anything remotely like that under Cogs |
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Feb 8, 2020 21:38:41 GMT
That's how I see it too. Our attack looks the best we've had for ages and our goal was superbly taken from a square pass by JCH, literally flew in the net. JCH whacked a shot against the underside of the crossbar too that bounced down and out. But our defending was awful. Akinfenwa hardly moves yet somehow always gets a goal. Here he just swung his boot at a square pass and it rolled in at the post. Comedy of errors from our defenders, who've gone from putting their bodies on the line to standing like statues. We need more urgency! Tranmere have a couple of forwards who caused Utd a few problems in the cup before the goals started raining in and took the stuffing out of them. Be just like us to gift them with a goal or two the way we're playing. That pitch of theirs will be a leveller too.
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Post by Angas on Feb 8, 2020 22:53:27 GMT
I only heard snatches of the last 20 minutes or so. But from what I gathered we were the dominant team in the second half. Which sounds as if it was the opposite of last week, and doesn't sound as if the opposition had a look and took control.
So I'm confused.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Feb 8, 2020 23:25:44 GMT
The game can be summed up by saying that we had our chances, but failed to take them, where Wycome did. The ref was a complete arse as well and as much as I hate seeing managers blame refs for performances, BG can rightly have a grumble with the refs from the last 2 weeks. They have made Trevor Kettle look like Pierluigi Collina.
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Post by TaiwanGas on Feb 9, 2020 3:41:15 GMT
I am not a big fan of BG, not because of his person or management skills, it is the circumstance around his appointment that leaves me feeling uneasy. However, yesterday for the first time since his appointment I saw a team that tried to play good football for more than 30 mins, a great goal, and some lousy refereeing & defending that ultimately undone us. The benefit of watching on ifollow is that you have a birdseye view and get immediate and multiple replays of each major incident as it happens, the defence will not enjoy the replays!.
I thought BG's post match interview was very good, imo he said everything that needed to be said, I'm warming to the chap, but he seriously needs 3 points against Tranmere.
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Post by vaughan on Feb 9, 2020 10:01:18 GMT
Just a side-note on BG.
He was more animated in technical area and frequently consulted Maher and Mansell.
At final whistle, he stayed in front of tunnel to shake hands with everyone of our players and applauded our supporters in very close proximity.
I do detect that he is starting to grow into the role after his own admission about the impact of his family situation. He is fronting up.
Sadly, football is a results business and he desperately needs a win. Is this the week?
We won't be able to adopt his style until we have a midfield axis that is more effective than Upson, Clarke and Ogogo. They try, but they are slow and their range of passing is limited. Lines would walk into this team.
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Post by lostinspace on Feb 9, 2020 10:44:42 GMT
Just a side-note on BG. He was more animated in technical area and frequently consulted Maher and Mansell. At final whistle, he stayed in front of tunnel to shake hands with everyone of our players and applauded our supporters in very close proximity. I do detect that he is starting to grow into the role after his own admission about the impact of his family situation. He is fronting up. Sadly, football is a results business and he desperately needs a win. Is this the week? We won't be able to adopt his style until we have a midfield axis that is more effective than Upson, Clarke and Ogogo. They try, but they are slow and their range of passing is limited. Lines would walk into this team. Your final sentence summed up your summary of slow... and Lines....... "walking into this team" truly not the most speediest of players? passing ability possibly better "when he could be bothered and interested enough" imo |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Feb 9, 2020 11:03:38 GMT
Dreadful defending. How long can people say give him time ? Here's the thing....BG turns our jewel in the crown defence (up until December) bearing in mind we had lost Lockyer and James Clarke.... also Little, THD and Hare in the season starting - to a confused, dysfunctional outfit that looks sorry for itself every match I've seen. And then says in post match interviews: it isn't good enough. So I'm forced to ask: -If it wasn't broken, why fix it? -It's his choice of personnel tactics strategy formation etc, so who's failure would that be? -At Christmas we had too many games (same as everyone else, except Bury) and BG bemoaned no time for training, what now is the excuse? -We've tried 4-3-3 for a pastime over DC GC and BG....it hasn't worked. It isn't working. What supposes to say it will work? Apart from time, 🥱 give more time (remember that point in Nichols-gate?), no wins in 13 is unacceptable as a manager. If it is, how many more non win matches do we have to endure before it DOES become unacceptable? |
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Feb 9, 2020 12:17:53 GMT
Just a side-note on BG. He was more animated in technical area and frequently consulted Maher and Mansell. At final whistle, he stayed in front of tunnel to shake hands with everyone of our players and applauded our supporters in very close proximity. I do detect that he is starting to grow into the role after his own admission about the impact of his family situation. He is fronting up. Sadly, football is a results business and he desperately needs a win. Is this the week? We won't be able to adopt his style until we have a midfield axis that is more effective than Upson, Clarke and Ogogo. They try, but they are slow and their range of passing is limited. Lines would walk into this team. In my opinion he wouldn't. His strength was mazy runs into the box which then gave him the opportunity to shoot and as a result he was always worth 5 or 6 goals a season. He got less effective at this towards the end of his time with us, even before he was often not selected. I never saw him as a creative passer who made chances for others - similar in a lot of respects to Disley, but I thought Disley was the better all round player because he was a bit more combative in the tackle. I still can't quite forgive Lines for the end of his first spell with us that culminated in our first relegation to the 4th tier. I particularly remember one game (can't remember the opponents) where he was showboating so much and waving his foot at tackles. No surprise when we were comprehensively beaten. I haven't looked, but it would be interesting to see what Cobblers fans make of him. Personally I think it was time he moved on from us, and I don't think he would improve us if still here. It's also not to say he wasn't a good player for us in a large part of his two spells here. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 13:12:53 GMT
Towards the end of lines time at rovers he sat much too deep for me and didnt make those brilliant forward runs with the ball anymore.
I think lines was outstanding in both the promotion run ins and was a shrewd signing.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 9, 2020 14:35:56 GMT
Dreadful defending. How long can people say give him time ? Here's the thing....BG turns our jewel in the crown defence (up until December) bearing in mind we had lost Lockyer and James Clarke.... also Little, THD and Hare in the season starting - to a confused, dysfunctional outfit that looks sorry for itself every match I've seen. And then says in post match interviews: it isn't good enough. So I'm forced to ask: -If it wasn't broken, why fix it? -It's his choice of personnel tactics strategy formation etc, so who's failure would that be? -At Christmas we had too many games (same as everyone else, except Bury) and BG bemoaned no time for training, what now is the excuse? -We've tried 4-3-3 for a pastime over DC GC and BG....it hasn't worked. It isn't working. What supposes to say it will work? Apart from time, 🥱 give more time (remember that point in Nichols-gate?), no wins in 13 is unacceptable as a manager. If it is, how many more non win matches do we have to endure before it DOES become unacceptable? I agree with you completely. This reminds me, very much, of the situation when the triumvirate of Lines, Anthony and Campbell got the players to rebel. I wasn’t at the game & that’s unusual as I normally go & because of that quaint little boozer 😱. The more level headed of those I know and who went are saying near enough the same thing, improved performance but not taking chances and poor defending. The referee has also been a topic that has been talked of, in that they feel he just would not give what were apparent fouls, to us. I have seen the post match interview and Benny G ( gangster name ) 👍🏻, referred to the ref but he’s so soft in how he spoke of that. I really can’t see where our winless streak will end, we have not done well V Bolton so I’m not counting on Tranmere. I have admitted, on several occasions that I’m not heavily into the tactics side of things but you are spot on in your observations that heads go down, when we concede. I fully put this at the owners feet. I openly admitted the that the football under GC was hard to watch but it was nice going home and having that nice feeling of seeing the points and table position. This has many similarities as the appointment of O’Driscol, for the 82. I find it very sad when posters are already looking at Tranmere & their results. It’s a very bizarre situation & I have never known us basically write a season of with so many games to play. As per being a Rovers fan, again it’s hope for the best but prepare for worse. As I see it, this appointment was unnecessarily quick & it has killed off what possibly have been an exciting end to the season. |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 9, 2020 14:44:17 GMT
That’s more like it. Don’t at all agree with Bamber now. this game certainly went all wrong, bad finishing, sleepy marking, homer ref. Listening on radio sounds like we had them on rack at 1.1 and much second half. rather than sacking, with last weeks and this weeks performances I feel he is turning a corner. New players have been at the club 1 week, give them a chance. Will we give them a chance is more the question mucker. I know DC was terrible in not giving loans a fair go. Most teams, who buy or loan players, are pretty quick to use them or, otherwise, what was the point of bringing them in ? |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 9, 2020 14:47:45 GMT
F'ing hopeless..good job we have 16 point gap over tranmere Bloody big game Tuesday then... Sorry for my ignorance but what is the beach reference about please ? |
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Feb 9, 2020 17:31:36 GMT
Dreadful defending. How long can people say give him time ? Here's the thing....BG turns our jewel in the crown defence (up until December) bearing in mind we had lost Lockyer and James Clarke.... also Little, THD and Hare in the season starting - to a confused, dysfunctional outfit that looks sorry for itself every match I've seen. And then says in post match interviews: it isn't good enough. So I'm forced to ask: -If it wasn't broken, why fix it? -It's his choice of personnel tactics strategy formation etc, so who's failure would that be? -At Christmas we had too many games (same as everyone else, except Bury) and BG bemoaned no time for training, what now is the excuse? -We've tried 4-3-3 for a pastime over DC GC and BG....it hasn't worked. It isn't working. What supposes to say it will work? Apart from time, 🥱 give more time (remember that point in Nichols-gate?), no wins in 13 is unacceptable as a manager. If it is, how many more non win matches do we have to endure before it DOES become unacceptable? yes. Let’s not forget it was Cocko who walked, quite suddenly, plunging club and any incoming manager into the situation. IMO the club and new manager appear to have responded quite well, starting pre season now with eye on where they want to be in 12 or 18 months, particularly in terms of the squad and type of football. In that sense it’s far too early to judge, I’d give BG till last match in November and then sum up 11 months of his work. who do you know playing 4 4 2 and direct football these days? If you think of some of the greatest sides of the modern era, tikitaka with Barca as example, they weren’t about defence getting something and clinging to it, but the ability to hit 2 and 3 consistently to take games away from opponents. A high press. Play and possession in opponents half. It’s that model, notthe dour mourinho one, being so widely copied. Hence Jose is yesterday’s man. not blaming Cocko for the family work balance thing, only I don’t think it was the clubs choice to sack him at that moment in time to take this direction, amongst a list we could blame them them for, writing off this season to begin pre season in January, that’s not one of them. It leaves just one school of thought to decide. Could we not have got a Cocko to replace Cocko carried on with the game plan to see where it could take us this season. The answer to that is not a yes or no, simply if that’s what you would have preferred then good luck to you, if you prefer this direction then good luck too. I think that pretty much sums it up? |
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Feb 9, 2020 17:38:20 GMT
Bloody big game Tuesday then... Sorry for my ignorance but what is the beach reference about please ? ‘I’m guessing, but they’ve been on telly a bit, and a bit of sands been used to get the game on? costal erosion at Birkenhead? their manager Micky ‘Betty” Melon does a passable Egyptian Dance and entertains in old folks homes during the holidays? take your pick. old camera phone footage of Micky in action: |
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Post by lostinspace on Feb 9, 2020 17:48:52 GMT
Bloody big game Tuesday then... Sorry for my ignorance but what is the beach reference about please ? Liverpool Ladies play on Prenton Park and have had several games called off because of the sate of the pitch, resembles Morecambe Bay than a FP !! drainage problems since October have resulted in the current state of the pitch............anyone know of someone who "deals in laying FP's "  |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 9, 2020 17:50:33 GMT
Sorry for my ignorance but what is the beach reference about please ? ‘I’m guessing, but they’ve been on telly a bit, and a bit of sands been used to get the game on? costal erosion at Birkenhead? their manager Micky ‘Betty” Melon does a passable Egyptian Dance and entertains in old folks homes during the holidays? take your pick. old camera phone footage of Micky in action: Ok and thanks. I had no idea. |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Feb 9, 2020 17:50:54 GMT
Sorry for my ignorance but what is the beach reference about please ? Liverpool Ladies play on Prenton Park and have had several games called off because of the sate of the pitch, resembles Morecambe Bay than a FP !! drainage problems since October have resulted in the current state of the pitch............anyone know of someone who "deals in laying FP's " Thank you |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Feb 9, 2020 17:53:45 GMT
"costal erosion at Birkenhead?"
Yea, right.... about time....punch their lights out!!?
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Feb 9, 2020 17:54:15 GMT
Sorry for my ignorance but what is the beach reference about please ? Liverpool Ladies play on Prenton Park and have had several games called off because of the sate of the pitch, resembles Morecambe Bay than a FP !! drainage problems since October have resulted in the current state of the pitch............anyone know of someone who "deals in laying FP's " Liverpool ladies = liver birds 😆 |
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