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Post by irenesfather on Apr 1, 2020 14:40:08 GMT
How do you know that for a fact?unless you have access to the minutes of board meetings. Its all so easy to slag someone off for doing a job you would never dream of putting yourself forward for
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Post by irenesfather on Apr 1, 2020 14:42:35 GMT
So let us see you put your name forward to replace him and see what a wonderful job you would do.On another point how do you know what he has or hasn't said at board meetings if you haven't had access to the minutes
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Post by Peter Parker on Apr 1, 2020 14:47:13 GMT
So let us see you put your name forward to replace him and see what a wonderful job you would do.On another point how do you know what he has or hasn't said at board meetings if you haven't had access to the minutes I dont think it matters what he has or hasnt said at board meetings Its more he has never said anything that i recall to the people that put him there
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2020 14:52:05 GMT
How do you know that for a fact?unless you have access to the minutes of board meetings. Its all so easy to slag someone off for doing a job you would never dream of putting yourself forward forFor all you know any of us could have been doing the same job as Ken in representing supporters at board meetings for the last 14 years, how would you tell?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2020 14:52:44 GMT
If,as he says,he has been given no reasons for his banishment,and the fact that he was informed by the ceo of the club in front of spectators, then he is justified in taking legal advice as to the reasons for his removal and the way it was done. As philton will probably confirm from his days on the board,the sc directors were there as a token gesture to maintain the donations and any views they had were of no consequence You do realise that people are appointed to, and removed from Boards, up and down the country on a daily basis, don't you? I trust that you noticed, in amongst Ken's lengthy and rather vainglorious departure rant, a complete lack of detail surrounding how that public conversation was instigated. Philton can respond for himself, but Kim Stuckey did very well as a SS Director. So that kind of pulls the rug out from under that argument. If you are looking for sympathy for a bloke who put himself forward for election via the Share Scheme before he had even ever joined it, and has done virtually nothing of note with the position over a period of many years, I think you may be on the wrong forum. Absolutely, correct and accurate
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Post by irenesfather on Apr 1, 2020 14:53:23 GMT
So let us see you put your name forward to replace him and see what a wonderful job you would do.On another point how do you know what he has or hasn't said at board meetings if you haven't had access to the minutes I dont think it matters what he has or hasnt said at board meetings Its more he has never said anything that i recall to the people that put him there Maybe he was covered by the infamous confidentiality clause. So are you going to put your name forward to replace him and show us how it should be done
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Post by irenesfather on Apr 1, 2020 14:54:45 GMT
How do you know that for a fact?unless you have access to the minutes of board meetings. Its all so easy to slag someone off for doing a job you would never dream of putting yourself forward forFor all you know any of us could have been doing the same job as Ken in representing supporters at board meetings for the last 14 years, how would you tell? But you haven't put yourself forward have you?So we will never know if you are a doer or talker
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Post by irenesfather on Apr 1, 2020 14:57:44 GMT
You do realise that people are appointed to, and removed from Boards, up and down the country on a daily basis, don't you? I trust that you noticed, in amongst Ken's lengthy and rather vainglorious departure rant, a complete lack of detail surrounding how that public conversation was instigated. Philton can respond for himself, but Kim Stuckey did very well as a SS Director. So that kind of pulls the rug out from under that argument. If you are looking for sympathy for a bloke who put himself forward for election via the Share Scheme before he had even ever joined it, and has done virtually nothing of note with the position over a period of many years, I think you may be on the wrong forum. Absolutely, correct and accurate But then Kim was elected as a supporters club representative,or share scheme representative whichever you prefer,not to take sides in a board room squabble, As regards the other point he said he was stopped by MS on the walkway to the west stand and informed .
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Post by irenesfather on Apr 1, 2020 15:01:07 GMT
If,as he says,he has been given no reasons for his banishment,and the fact that he was informed by the ceo of the club in front of spectators, then he is justified in taking legal advice as to the reasons for his removal and the way it was done. As philton will probably confirm from his days on the board,the sc directors were there as a token gesture to maintain the donations and any views they had were of no consequence You do realise that people are appointed to, and removed from Boards, up and down the country on a daily basis, don't you? I trust that you noticed, in amongst Ken's lengthy and rather vainglorious departure rant, a complete lack of detail surrounding how that public conversation was instigated. Philton can respond for himself, but Kim Stuckey did very well as a SS Director. So that kind of pulls the rug out from under that argument. If you are looking for sympathy for a bloke who put himself forward for election via the Share Scheme before he had even ever joined it, and has done virtually nothing of note with the position over a period of many years, I think you may be on the wrong forum. And they are all sacked without any reason?I don't think so and very few if any are done so in view of the general public
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2020 15:04:15 GMT
For all you know any of us could have been doing the same job as Ken in representing supporters at board meetings for the last 14 years, how would you tell? But you haven't put yourself forward have you?So we will never know if you are a doer or talker I hate people who boast, so please forgive me, that's not my intention. I put in £4000 towards the position that Ken has made a mockery of, so, with or without your permission, I'll give my opinion of the bloke. Is that enough 'doing' for you? You need to get your head around this simple concept. If Ken was an asset to the owners in the Boardroom, they would have kept him close.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2020 15:07:16 GMT
Absolutely, correct and accurate But then Kim was elected as a supporters club representative,or share scheme representative whichever you prefer,not to take sides in a board room squabble, As regards the other point he said he was stopped by MS on the walkway to the west stand and informed . Get your history straight. Kim was around and doing great work long before the Boardroom split of 2006.
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Post by Peter Parker on Apr 1, 2020 15:08:45 GMT
I dont think it matters what he has or hasnt said at board meetings Its more he has never said anything that i recall to the people that put him there Maybe he was covered by the infamous confidentiality clause. So are you going to put your name forward to replace him and show us how it should be done I dont think anyone expects everything to be divulged. There will be sensitive information that should be kept at the top table. The point is, I dont think anyone heard anything from him ever. How was anyone supposed to contact him BSS (However anyone rates him) was at least contactable by 20th century methods and tried to dispense some information even if it wasnt the most exciting I have had more interaction and response from Tom Goringe in 2 years than Ken in 14, because i know i can get hold of Tom by email or twitter and get a pretty quick response Was Ken waiting for a board meeting to pass on all the feedback from the fans?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2020 15:19:34 GMT
Bad news for the ownership, now everything is on them.
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Post by irenesfather on Apr 1, 2020 15:34:35 GMT
But then Kim was elected as a supporters club representative,or share scheme representative whichever you prefer,not to take sides in a board room squabble, As regards the other point he said he was stopped by MS on the walkway to the west stand and informed . Get your history straight. Kim was around and doing great work long before the Boardroom split of 2006. I refer you to the bss resignation message
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Post by irenesfather on Apr 1, 2020 15:37:59 GMT
Maybe he was covered by the infamous confidentiality clause. So are you going to put your name forward to replace him and show us how it should be done I dont think anyone expects everything to be divulged. There will be sensitive information that should be kept at the top table. The point is, I dont think anyone heard anything from him ever. How was anyone supposed to contact him BSS (However anyone rates him) was at least contactable by 20th century methods and tried to dispense some information even if it wasnt the most exciting I have had more interaction and response from Tom Goringe in 2 years than Ken in 14, because i know i can get hold of Tom by email or twitter and get a pretty quick response Was Ken waiting for a board meeting to pass on all the feedback from the fans? But he wasnt even allowed into board meetings for few years so what could he say.as regard contacting him I saw him in the sc bar every week talking to fans there.but of course if you arent in the sc you wont have been in the bar
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Post by irenesfather on Apr 1, 2020 15:39:32 GMT
Maybe he was covered by the infamous confidentiality clause. So are you going to put your name forward to replace him and show us how it should be done I dont think anyone expects everything to be divulged. There will be sensitive information that should be kept at the top table. The point is, I dont think anyone heard anything from him ever. How was anyone supposed to contact him BSS (However anyone rates him) was at least contactable by 20th century methods and tried to dispense some information even if it wasnt the most exciting I have had more interaction and response from Tom Goringe in 2 years than Ken in 14, because i know i can get hold of Tom by email or twitter and get a pretty quick response Was Ken waiting for a board meeting to pass on all the feedback from the fans? T.g.is employed in the media department and hence it is in his interest to interact with any fan who contacts him
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Post by Peter Parker on Apr 1, 2020 15:45:18 GMT
I dont think anyone expects everything to be divulged. There will be sensitive information that should be kept at the top table. The point is, I dont think anyone heard anything from him ever. How was anyone supposed to contact him BSS (However anyone rates him) was at least contactable by 20th century methods and tried to dispense some information even if it wasnt the most exciting I have had more interaction and response from Tom Goringe in 2 years than Ken in 14, because i know i can get hold of Tom by email or twitter and get a pretty quick response Was Ken waiting for a board meeting to pass on all the feedback from the fans? But he wasnt even allowed into board meetings for few years so what could he say.as regard contacting him I saw him in the sc bar every week talking to fans there.but of course if you arent in the sc you wont have been in the bar I would have been in the other bar, or the East Bar. As I have said plenty of times before, if he wasnt allowed in board meetings or cut out of stuff as a full director, he should have resigned a long time ago
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Post by Peter Parker on Apr 1, 2020 15:47:16 GMT
I dont think anyone expects everything to be divulged. There will be sensitive information that should be kept at the top table. The point is, I dont think anyone heard anything from him ever. How was anyone supposed to contact him BSS (However anyone rates him) was at least contactable by 20th century methods and tried to dispense some information even if it wasnt the most exciting I have had more interaction and response from Tom Goringe in 2 years than Ken in 14, because i know i can get hold of Tom by email or twitter and get a pretty quick response Was Ken waiting for a board meeting to pass on all the feedback from the fans? T.g.is employed in the media department and hence it is in his interest to interact with any fan who contacts him Not the point I am making. I could tweet, email or even ring BSS (which i did on one occasion). How was i supposed to contact Ken if I wasnt in his bar?
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Post by Angas on Apr 1, 2020 15:52:00 GMT
I dont think anyone expects everything to be divulged. There will be sensitive information that should be kept at the top table. The point is, I dont think anyone heard anything from him ever. How was anyone supposed to contact him BSS (However anyone rates him) was at least contactable by 20th century methods and tried to dispense some information even if it wasnt the most exciting I have had more interaction and response from Tom Goringe in 2 years than Ken in 14, because i know i can get hold of Tom by email or twitter and get a pretty quick response Was Ken waiting for a board meeting to pass on all the feedback from the fans? But he wasnt even allowed into board meetings for few years so what could he say.as regard contacting him I saw him in the sc bar every week talking to fans there.but of course if you arent in the sc you wont have been in the bar Years? He said since March last year. Which of you is correct? Either way, one year or 'a few' his position was clearly untenable long before now.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2020 16:05:58 GMT
Get your history straight. Kim was around and doing great work long before the Boardroom split of 2006. I refer you to the bss resignation message You're a bit 'on tilt' here Mate. BSS came after Kim, what he says has no bearing on Kim's performance. Anybody can, and ought to act first and foremost with their conscience, are you seriously criticising Kim for that? Maybe, if Ken had the same moral standards as Kim he would have walked away, especially given what you've now chosen to invoke as evidence, the words of BSS, what was it he said, something about being excluded from the majority of Board meetings? Edit. Just seen what you've written above. So, you are now saying that Ken was excluded from Board meetings for years, but didn't think that was good enough reason to step down. Why are you defending that behaviour? Following on from that, you need to familiarise yourself with the objectives of both the Share Scheme and the SC, it's not about just representing members, or members who enjoy the company of drunk people on match days. Give it up, this isn't the place for Masters' apologists. Happy to recognise the work he's done with the Community Dept, but he's been a disgrace as Supporters' Director.
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