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Post by fatherjackhackett on Mar 2, 2020 14:38:38 GMT
They are so funny; So I wonder how much would be a fantastic sum in their eyes? Seems a bit odd that £1.2m is insignificant yet they got all stressy when Sandra gambled away about £80k. Some people eh? Just to put it in context: Wimbledon fans (already passionately fan owned), with around 4K average gates, have raised 5 million pounds through a bond scheme to ensure their new stadium will be fit for purpose. In under a month from launch.
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Post by dido on Mar 2, 2020 14:38:55 GMT
pirate49, You could also tell us the difference between a felt tip (sic) pen and a felt-tip pen. Then, maybe, why you don't need a comma after your ''......pens''.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 14:46:07 GMT
pirate49, You could also tell us the difference between a felt tip (sic) pen and a felt-tip pen. Then, maybe, why you don't need a comma after your ''......pens''. Nice. That's quite a high level of pedantry. 10/10.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 14:58:19 GMT
pirate49, You could also tell us the difference between a felt tip (sic) pen and a felt-tip pen. Then, maybe, why you don't need a comma after your ''......pens''. Should the y in "you" be capitalised here? Nope.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 15:01:29 GMT
pirate49, You could also tell us the difference between a felt tip (sic) pen and a felt-tip pen. Then, maybe, why you don't need a comma after your ''......pens''. Should the y in "you" be capitalised here? Nope. It was correct, then he went and edited it!
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Post by Delsy on Mar 2, 2020 15:23:55 GMT
They are so funny; So I wonder how much would be a fantastic sum in their eyes? Seems a bit odd that £1.2m is insignificant yet they got all stressy when Sandra gambled away about £80k. Some people eh? Just to put it in context: Wimbledon fans (already passionately fan owned), with around 4K average gates, have raised 5 million pounds through a bond scheme to ensure their new stadium will be fit for purpose. In under a month from launch. London weighting time
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 2, 2020 15:26:46 GMT
Don't agree. We should at least be told what our representative in the board room stands accused of. I meant in the respect of how the thread was going but I agree with you about the question. I don’t see that it will be disclosed as all there is, is the speculation of ITK poster types.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 2, 2020 15:31:49 GMT
They are so funny; So I wonder how much would be a fantastic sum in their eyes? Seems a bit odd that £1.2m is insignificant yet they got all stressy when Sandra gambled away about £80k. Some people eh? Just to put it in context: Wimbledon fans (already passionately fan owned), with around 4K average gates, have raised 5 million pounds through a bond scheme to ensure their new stadium will be fit for purpose. In under a month from launch. That is bloody impressive. Fair play to them. Fantastic effort.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 16:25:12 GMT
Just to put it in context: Wimbledon fans (already passionately fan owned), with around 4K average gates, have raised 5 million pounds through a bond scheme to ensure their new stadium will be fit for purpose. In under a month from launch. That is bloody impressive. Fair play to them. Fantastic effort. Haven't looked, but wonder if this is cash raised already or money pledged over the term of a scheme? Either way, as you say, impressive and should be all the motivation that Vaughan needs to get his scheme up and running.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 17:52:45 GMT
They are so funny; So I wonder how much would be a fantastic sum in their eyes? Seems a bit odd that £1.2m is insignificant yet they got all stressy when Sandra gambled away about £80k. Some people eh? Just to put it in context: Wimbledon fans (already passionately fan owned), with around 4K average gates, have raised 5 million pounds through a bond scheme to ensure their new stadium will be fit for purpose. In under a month from launch. it makes you wonder how much could have been raised if the shares hadnt been diluted from the original price, also once the fallout happened it mustve dropped RIGHT OFF , i stopped mine
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Post by droitwichgas on Mar 2, 2020 18:23:26 GMT
They are so funny; So I wonder how much would be a fantastic sum in their eyes? Seems a bit odd that £1.2m is insignificant yet they got all stressy when Sandra gambled away about £80k. Some people eh? Just to put it in context: Wimbledon fans (already passionately fan owned), with around 4K average gates, have raised 5 million pounds through a bond scheme to ensure their new stadium will be fit for purpose. In under a month from launch. It's not strictly correct to say Wimbledon have raised £4m from just their fans as they offered the bonds to any investors, given it was offering up to 4% p.a. it's not surprising it was soon taken by investors.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 19:03:57 GMT
Just to put it in context: Wimbledon fans (already passionately fan owned), with around 4K average gates, have raised 5 million pounds through a bond scheme to ensure their new stadium will be fit for purpose. In under a month from launch. it makes you wonder how much could have been raised if the shares hadnt been diluted from the original price, also once the fallout happened it mustve dropped RIGHT OFF , i stopped mine
The aims of the share scheme ended the night of the EGM when the Supporters Club backed the dilution. Without them the board would have lost the share count vote as well as the show of hands vote which they lost on the evening. It was £7k a week at the time and I see it's now down to £2k which is still remarkable considering it's purely a donation scheme now.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 19:13:31 GMT
it makes you wonder how much could have been raised if the shares hadnt been diluted from the original price, also once the fallout happened it mustve dropped RIGHT OFF , i stopped mine
The aims of the share scheme ended the night of the EGM when the Supporters Club backed the dilution. Without them the board would have lost the share count vote as well as the show of hands vote which they lost on the evening. It was £7k a week at the time and I see it's now down to £2k which is still remarkable considering it's purely a donation scheme now. I'm not even sure the SC had a position on this. David told me that he voted in favour. Ken, eventually, after being pressed and him getting very angry, told me that he 'Removed himself from the process'.
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Post by vaughan on Mar 2, 2020 20:06:28 GMT
The Wimbledon Bond Scheme is an attempt by The Fans Trust to ensure serious funding shortfalls are met in order to allow Buckingham to complete their Plough Lane ground whilst maintaing control for the Supporters Trust. The chances of them getting their money back are slim IMHO.
If you don't believe me, ask Swiss Gas.
Also, for the last time, the AlQs have no interest in any crowd-funding scheme that dilutes their shareholding.
If you don't believe, phone up Tifosy and ask. They will willingly tell you that they pitched the platform to BRFC and the AlQs were not interested in contemplating ANY such scheme. I liked the idea of Tifosy as it is FCA compliant, which the Wimbledon Bond Scheme is not. DYOR.
Crowd-funding will come, but only after the Fantasist has woken up to the fact that the tide has come in and he is up to his waist.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 20:23:08 GMT
The Wimbledon Bond Scheme is an attempt by The Fans Trust to ensure serious funding shortfalls are met in order to allow Buckingham to complete their Plough Lane ground whilst maintaing control for the Supporters Trust. The chances of them getting their money back are slim IMHO. If you don't believe me, ask Swiss Gas. Also, for the last time, the AlQs have no interest in any crowd-funding scheme that dilutes their shareholding. If you don't believe, phone up Tifosy and ask. They will willingly tell you that they pitched the platform to BRFC and the AlQs were not interested in contemplating ANY such scheme. I liked the idea of Tifosy as it is FCA compliant, which the Wimbledon Bond Scheme is not. DYOR. Crowd-funding will come, but only after the Fantasist has woken up to the fact that the tide has come in and he is up to his waist. I did say that I hadn't checked what the Wimbledon scheme was, but you've changed what you are saying about contact with Rovers. Previously you said that you yourself contacted Hamer and he told you that the owners weren't interested. But whatever, I don't think you were ever serious about doing it anyway. If you were then you would have gone to the media with the plan and put serious pressure on the owners to explain, publicly, why they were turning down a sum which could have built the training ground.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 20:30:47 GMT
Fan ownership is coming to Rovers in the future. Long after we're all pushing up daisies, of course.
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Post by laughinggas on Mar 2, 2020 21:21:13 GMT
The Wimbledon Bond Scheme is an attempt by The Fans Trust to ensure serious funding shortfalls are met in order to allow Buckingham to complete their Plough Lane ground whilst maintaing control for the Supporters Trust. The chances of them getting their money back are slim IMHO. If you don't believe me, ask Swiss Gas. Also, for the last time, the AlQs have no interest in any crowd-funding scheme that dilutes their shareholding. If you don't believe, phone up Tifosy and ask. They will willingly tell you that they pitched the platform to BRFC and the AlQs were not interested in contemplating ANY such scheme. I liked the idea of Tifosy as it is FCA compliant, which the Wimbledon Bond Scheme is not. DYOR. Crowd-funding will come, but only after the Fantasist has woken up to the fact that the tide has come in and he is up to his waist. I did say that I hadn't checked what the Wimbledon scheme was, but you've changed what you are saying about contact with Rovers. Previously you said that you yourself contacted Hamer and he told you that the owners weren't interested. But whatever, I don't think you were ever serious about doing it anyway. If you were then you would have gone to the media with the plan and put serious pressure on the owners to explain, publicly, why they were turning down a sum which could have built the training ground. Um, he does not say what he did in this post but merely contact an organisation which I assume exists. Hamer on the other hand is no longer connected to the club so any answer may or may not be true. But obviously you read it differently.
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Post by vaughan on Mar 2, 2020 22:39:40 GMT
You imply that I am lying.
So, for the record, I spoke to Steve Hamer and James Pollock, who is the MD of Tifosy. All the schemes are endorsed by the owners and promoted by them as the beneficiaries, not run by individuals.
Why don't you give James a call and find out yourself and then come back to me? You might have to give your real name?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 22:54:24 GMT
You imply that I am lying. So, for the record, I spoke to Steve Hamer and James Pollock, who is the MD of Tifosy. All the schemes are endorsed by the owners and promoted by them as the beneficiaries, not run by individuals. Why don't you give James a call and find out yourself and then come back to me? You might have to give your real name? I implied no such thing, I just pointed out that you had said something different previously. Your explanation of the structure doesn't affect in any way the point that I made to you at the time, which was that the door may not be wide open, but it certainly wasn't shut and that a PR campaign would have put enormous pressure on the owners. But what you actually did was threw in your hand at the very first hurdle. Now, what about that isn't factual please?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 23:23:41 GMT
Get a room, you two.
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