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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2020 23:52:38 GMT
What more do you need to know? How many of the eleven league games this season that I presume he has left he has to win in order to recruit in the summer for next season. How many wins?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2020 23:53:53 GMT
What more do you need to know? How many of the eleven league games this season that I presume he has left he has to win in order to recruit in the summer for next season. How many wins? 12
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2020 23:55:37 GMT
He has to win twelve out of eleven? Or do we have twelve league games remaining? This season's stupid. The maths is all Welsh.
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Post by chelt_gas on Mar 1, 2020 0:03:29 GMT
One question is whether we will be in a better position in 12 months time sticking with the Garner plan or whether the plan is a just a theory that cannot be implemented in practice with the people and resources at disposal. This includes both skills of coaches and administration in addition to capital resources to provide the tools to achieve (training ground, recruitment, etc). If so do we stick with Garner but bring in a Warnock.
I’m in the camp that Holloway would have achieved with the resources given therefore the Garner plan is not working. Whether that’s solely due to Garner or that the accountability of failure should include Wael and Starnes, players or coaches is, IMO, the real question.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2020 0:09:04 GMT
He has to win twelve out of eleven? Or do we have twelve league games remaining? This season's stupid. The maths is all Welsh. Yep, 12 out of 11, he's toast. We need to move on. We don't have time to waste, the earth's on fire, apparently.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2020 0:28:26 GMT
There was a good reason why I said the board should have promoted from within and reassessed at the end of the season. Where we are now is why. Would you spell out what that reason is please Phil? The squad was performing well. We were in a play off place so what changes were required other than a new person to head the coaching? The biggest risk was to bring in an outsider especially one who is inexperienced so why take such a massive risk when there was no need to do so and at a time when changes to the squad would be difficult hence my statement, promote from within and reassess at the end of the season. When things go wrong and players are being criticised they respond to and respect experience. I've seen the two extremes at Bristol Rovers. One coach having a go at the first team after another defeat and them responding with "WTF have you ever done in your career to think you know better than us?" to sitting up and taking notice because they know that the person talking to them has been there and done it. Have we not had our most successful seasons when insiders have led the team? Don Megson, Gerry Francis, Paul Trollope, Darrell Clarke. Even Graham Coughlan was promoted from within but something must have gone majorly wrong for him to throw away what he had.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2020 0:47:49 GMT
We need to move on. We don't have time to waste... Surely we can't go up or down though now, can we? BG's blown the season already. If he shouldn't be building for 2020-21, who should?
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Mar 1, 2020 1:07:08 GMT
What more do you need to know? How many of the eleven league games this season that I presume he has left he has to win in order to recruit in the summer for next season. How many wins? After the Coventry home league defeat I said the minimum acceptable return from the next 5 games was 3 wins. Garner got us a win and a draw from some eminently winnable games aside from Sunderland away. The win was a very lucky one and only happened after a red card and fortunate deflection. I’d still like a couple more wins to fend off the spectre of Tranmere hitting a run of form but just don't see where they are coming from. I fully expect Southend to beat us next. I don't like sacking managers after such a short time but his record here is so terrible he has to go now in my opinion. I’d have more patience if I could see some sign of improvement or if I could understand what he is trying to do but the football and the results are beyond appalling. In my opinion he is both overthinking and overcomplicating things to a far greater extent than DC at the end of his time here and his stubbornness in persisting with weird formations and tactics that the players clearly don't understand would mean the end a long time ago at any other club except ours.
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Mar 1, 2020 1:15:27 GMT
We need to move on. We don't have time to waste... Surely we can't go up or down though now, can we? BG's blown the season already. If he shouldn't be building for 2020-21, who should? Can you see any sign that things will be better next season if he stays? Honestly?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2020 1:18:16 GMT
Someone sacked DC only fourteen months ago. Whoever was responsible for DC's sacking, and is now responsible for the apparent necessity of BG's sacking, in to blame. It's too short a duration for the person responsible not to be accountable. This is why a board of directors needs a director with football expertise to recruit managers. Chairmen and Presidents without such expertise can't do it well enough.
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Mar 1, 2020 1:24:28 GMT
Would you spell out what that reason is please Phil? The squad was performing well. We were in a play off place so what changes were required other than a new person to head the coaching? The biggest risk was to bring in an outsider especially one who is inexperienced so why take such a massive risk when there was no need to do so and at a time when changes to the squad would be difficult hence my statement, promote from within and reassess at the end of the season. When things go wrong and players are being criticised they respond to and respect experience. I've seen the two extremes at Bristol Rovers. One coach having a go at the first team after another defeat and them responding with "WTF have you ever done in your career to think you know better than us?" to sitting up and taking notice because they know that the person talking to them has been there and done it. Have we not had our most successful seasons when insiders have led the team? Don Megson, Gerry Francis, Paul Trollope, Darrell Clarke. Even Graham Coughlan was promoted from within but something must have gone majorly wrong for him to throw away what he had. I don’t think any change was required. We were going along quite nicely despite the football not being great on the eye and especially on the back of one of the best away performances I have seen from any Rovers team. No clue as to the real reason why GC left but I don't buy the excuses that were pedalled at the time. We should have done everything in our power to persuade him to stay. I include us fans in the “we” as we never took to GC like we did DC.
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Mar 1, 2020 1:29:45 GMT
Someone sacked DC only fourteen months ago. Whoever was responsible for DC's sacking, and is now responsible for the apparent necessity of BG's sacking, in to blame. It's too short a duration for the person responsible not to be accountable. This is why a board of directors needs a director with football expertise to recruit managers. Chairmen and Presidents without such expertise can't do it well enough. Agree with all of that. Looks to me like the hand of Wael and it’s patently clear that whoever is making these decisions has about as much clue as Benny G. Lends credence to The comment attributed to DC that he is a complete fantacist.
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Mar 1, 2020 5:44:06 GMT
Gerry Francis failed miserably at Exeter after his fanfare appointment: 1983-07-20 - 1984-05-14 W6 D16 L28. Sometimes it's the wrong place at the wrong time. I'm sure he did a Mark Lawrenson too and dropped in by copter. Garner needs to go and lick his wounds because it's painfullly clear he's lost any plot he may have had.
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Post by littlestokegas on Mar 1, 2020 7:26:45 GMT
I do not think we are that safe. Tranmerewould be 11 points behind us if they win their game in hand. If we lose at Southend next weekend we then will lose v Sunderland who will come down and dip their bread, and Ipswich, that could put us just 2 points infront of relegation with 7 games to go. It is not over until the lady sings.
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Post by a more piratey game on Mar 1, 2020 7:59:41 GMT
Would you spell out what that reason is please Phil? The squad was performing well. We were in a play off place so what changes were required other than a new person to head the coaching? The biggest risk was to bring in an outsider especially one who is inexperienced so why take such a massive risk when there was no need to do so and at a time when changes to the squad would be difficult hence my statement, promote from within and reassess at the end of the season. that's a fair point, although I think the owners felt that they did that last season (when, admittedly, the squad wasn't performing well), so that it was now time to look longer-term
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Post by a more piratey game on Mar 1, 2020 8:01:15 GMT
Would you spell out what that reason is please Phil? When things go wrong and players are being criticised they respond to and respect experience. I've seen the two extremes at Bristol Rovers. One coach having a go at the first team after another defeat and them responding with "WTF have you ever done in your career to think you know better than us?" to sitting up and taking notice because they know that the person talking to them has been there and done it. hmm....good point, and made with the benefit of experience. I suppose they didn't foresee it going so far south so quickly
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Post by a more piratey game on Mar 1, 2020 8:02:39 GMT
Would you spell out what that reason is please Phil? Even Graham Coughlan was promoted from within but something must have gone majorly wrong for him to throw away what he had. yes, it still seems a very odd one but noone seems to have found out what it was. Maybe if we knew what it was, we might understand the change better?
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Post by toteend3 on Mar 1, 2020 8:21:06 GMT
Ooh I don't really know!
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Post by basel on Mar 1, 2020 8:33:18 GMT
We need to move on. We don't have time to waste... Surely we can't go up or down though now, can we? BG's blown the season already. If he shouldn't be building for 2020-21, who should? Theres a Manager just 'up the road' doing an absolutely fantastic job at his 4th tier club.He played centre half as a player and I think he would of kept Couglans brilliant momentum flowing. Michael Duff,Cheltenham Town. Thing is with our President talking football poppycock with a London accent trumps football commonsense.
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Post by a more piratey game on Mar 1, 2020 8:56:12 GMT
talking football poppycock with a London accent trumps football commonsense. BG definitely Essex accent, not London
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