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Post by syg on Jan 11, 2020 19:07:47 GMT
I thought the 2nd half was our best performance under BG. Reilly with JCH looked a lot more useful than I would have anticipated. Same problems as we had with GC, the midfield. BG hasn't given the post match interview, hopefully as he's having quite a discussion with the players. But today's midfield problems were entirely self inflicted. I hope Garner isn't talking to the players. 3 games ago it looked odds on that this was coming, I said then that he should be given 3 games to make a start with sorting it out. It's getting worse. BTW, our right back isn't ready to play at this level, and opponents know it. It was interesting watching how they took Leahy apart in the 1st half. Leahy would mark the right winger Taylor, the midfielder behind Taylor would advance until leahy felt that he had to come forward to try to block the midfielder, and then he would simply slip the ball past him to Taylor. It worked so easily each time, but the more it happened the more I realised it was due to our midfield leaving so much space open.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 19:27:23 GMT
Interesting to read grimsby took 1,276 supporters to orient today with hollaway at the helm. I wonder how many gasheads would have travelled the same distance with any of the last 2 managers in charge. 400 - 500 would be my guess. We as a club are in a dark place.
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Post by basel on Jan 11, 2020 19:33:19 GMT
From 1st place in the form league after the Ipswich win,to todays 20th place.
That's a bloody awful start to BGs time at Rovers.
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Post by harrybuckle on Jan 11, 2020 19:37:43 GMT
How long can this be allowed to continue? 35% possession, at home. Only shot on target, and that was a ball lofted back in to the box which their keeper had to catch. For 70 minutes not a single player put any effort in at all. We switched continually from a flat back 4 to 3 at the back with wing backs, that created chaos in midfield. When we had the ball they had a flat back 4, when they had it, our midfield was so deep and so disorganised that they went to 2 at the back and played their other 2 defenders as extra midfielders, that's how much space we gave them. It was like watching Liverpool play Nuneaton at times. Garner stood and watched it scratching his chin for the entire 90 minutes. Literally not a single person in Box 1. Read in to that what you like. still has two years five months and two weeks left on his contract
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Post by PessimistGas on Jan 11, 2020 19:38:27 GMT
Interesting to read grimsby took 1,276 supporters to orient today with hollaway at the helm. I wonder how many gasheads would have travelled the same distance with any of the last 2 managers in charge. 400 - 500 would be my guess. We as a club are in a dark place. We've made a mistake here in my view. Still, at least we are now f*ucking shambles on the field again and not just off it. A familiar, comfortable feeling.
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Post by Mrs V Smegma on Jan 11, 2020 19:55:33 GMT
But today's midfield problems were entirely self inflicted. I hope Garner isn't talking to the players. 3 games ago it looked odds on that this was coming, I said then that he should be given 3 games to make a start with sorting it out. It's getting worse. BTW, our right back isn't ready to play at this level, and opponents know it. It was interesting watching how they took Leahy apart in the 1st half. Leahy would mark the right winger Taylor, the midfielder behind Taylor would advance until leahy felt that he had to come forward to try to block the midfielder, and then he would simply slip the ball past him to Taylor. It worked so easily each time, but the more it happened the more I realised it was due to our midfield leaving so much space open. Thought Leahy did ok today as did keeper, menayese, TC and Alfie. Rodman had a poor game exemplified by bottling in when through on the keeper. JCH doesn't look fit, Barrett looks like he is carrying a stone or two. Reilly did liven us up. The problem was midfield. Two banks of two might work on the PS4 but it doesn't in L2. Felt sorry for Cam Hargreaves. He spent all his time on the pitch chasing shadows. It looked like Donny were playing a piss take piggy in the middle with him. Every time we had the ball they pressed us hard and either won the ball off us or forced us to hoof it aimlessly. Every time they had the ball they were able to pass it round us with little triangles because our shape and system gifted them the space to do this. another truly abject performance that I wish I could erase from my mind.
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jan 11, 2020 20:10:01 GMT
Very quick post. We were crap and even my blue tinted friend said let’s leave, after their first goal. We were absolutely awful & will be lucky to avoid bottom places if this continues.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 20:20:07 GMT
How long can this be allowed to continue? 35% possession, at home. Only shot on target, and that was a ball lofted back in to the box which their keeper had to catch. For 70 minutes not a single player put any effort in at all. We switched continually from a flat back 4 to 3 at the back with wing backs, that created chaos in midfield. When we had the ball they had a flat back 4, when they had it, our midfield was so deep and so disorganised that they went to 2 at the back and played their other 2 defenders as extra midfielders, that's how much space we gave them. It was like watching Liverpool play Nuneaton at times. Garner stood and watched it scratching his chin for the entire 90 minutes. Literally not a single person in Box 1. Read in to that what you like. still has two years five months and two weeks left on his contract According to Philton, there will be clauses. You would certainly hope that no wins in the firs 6 games would be one of them. Either way, 5 1/2 months salary to move on from the farce we witnessed today, what do you reckon, good value?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 20:35:51 GMT
Give Doncaster some credit, their first touch and movement off the ball had us spinning around in circles. Our problem is the fear we have facing pace that forces us to drop off and surrender two thirds of the field while at the same time refuse to clear out quickly when the ball is hoofed upfield. JCH is a shadow of the player he was last season and his frustration shows when he lashes shots in that would have been better if passed instead. This reminds me very much of the situation when Dobson took over, Gerry had drilled the side into a pattern of play in the same way Coughlan has and frankly trying to do this at this stage of the season regardless of how good a coach Ben is, is asking for trouble. We need a win and quickly or we will see last season in reverse end possibly relegated.
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Post by mjg on Jan 11, 2020 21:00:32 GMT
So Sad.Glad I didn't come down today but have been to non league at Oswestry.Even there they had a superb set up and I wonder on days like today just what is happening with no wins ,hardly any goals or even shots and zilch happening it seems to improve our stadium or training facilities.No updates from the owner.Not holding my breath for the Coventry replay and if I was a player don't think we'd be too attractive a proposition as in incentive to join us. Lack of leadership and my hunch is that BG won't be around for long.Lovely man but like my MP Bill Cash, talks a good game but little evidence he actually achieves anything. I don't much watch us in the flesh these days, years since I have really. Just to get that out there first. I remember standing on the North Enclosure at Eastville one night when fans were giving a director (Stephens?) a really hard time after a home defeat when the old place had been rocking and we'd as usual f'd it up on the edge of promotion. I was about 18 I guess and got caught up in the frenzy shouting abuse and even now nearly 40 years later I'm ashamed by how the mob, of which I was part, ranted and railed as this balding bespectacled man stood there and took it. I shouted 'you don't even want to go up' and he looked right at me. Same as when I shouted once at Brian Williams to 'get a move on' in the 90th minute of a game when we were 2 v 0 down at home and he turned to the north enclosure and said with complete authority 'f**k off'. Fair. I went to a Bath v Yeovil match in the mid/late 80s, Randall was playing for Yeovil and Graham Withey for Bath. Cup game I think. Twerton of course. Both came to the bar later, Withey was a friend of the manager of the band I was in. Randall told me that city fans are all c...s. Decent insight. Withey asked me if I was a north enclosure boo boy. I mumbled something unsatisfactory and he knew then that I was. All this background to what end? I took my daughter back to exeter university today. We got there about 2:30 and driving in I realised how close I was to the ground so I parked up and walked. Not been there since about 85. Ground is nicely developed, a big terrace behind one goal and 2 decent modern stands running the length of the pitch. The away end, which I remember as a crumbling heap of low level concrete, seems to have been spruced up with a roof and everything. Well, a roof anyway. Not that there were any away fans in there, all 82 from Cambridge must have been elsewhere. Had a chat with lots of their fans on the terrace. They are rightly very proud of the club and it's neat modernised ground and all the community stuff they do. The first half the team was terrible and there was a bit of low level moaning. Second half they seemed to have been given a managerial rocket and were transformed, pace down the wings and some coherent movement. 2 well worked goals and in the end well deserved. The only consolation was that the people I spoke to said if I'd been a City fan they'd have been less welcoming. I don't know but we seem to be being left years behind.
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Post by mangogas15 on Jan 11, 2020 21:05:12 GMT
It all depends on how we start on the front foot. Put them under pressure early. Otherwise it will be a hat trick of Don defeats in the last month... Hmmmm
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 21:17:50 GMT
Give Doncaster some credit, their first touch and movement off the ball had us spinning around in circles. Our problem is the fear we have facing pace that forces us to drop off and surrender two thirds of the field while at the same time refuse to clear out quickly when the ball is hoofed upfield. JCH is a shadow of the player he was last season and his frustration shows when he lashes shots in that would have been better if passed instead. This reminds me very much of the situation when Dobson took over, Gerry had drilled the side into a pattern of play in the same way Coughlan has and frankly trying to do this at this stage of the season regardless of how good a coach Ben is, is asking for trouble. We need a win and quickly or we will see last season in reverse end possibly relegated. Cheer up, Rotherham next, top of the table.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 21:28:35 GMT
MJG, your post was beautiful.
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Post by mjg on Jan 11, 2020 21:36:53 GMT
MJG, your post was beautiful. Thank you Doc. It's years since I stood on a terrace and watched rubbish. I've missed it more than I knew.
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Post by PessimistGas on Jan 11, 2020 23:44:37 GMT
MJG, your post was beautiful. Thank you Doc. It's years since I stood on a terrace and watched rubbish. I've missed it more than I knew. I was at Exeter recently after about a 15 year gap. Nice new, modern stands and decent facilities. A well run club making great progress. Exeter are a far smaller club than we are but are leaving us behind like the rest of the professional football divisions. Incidentally, I also walked past Brentford's new stadium before Christmas, a club that I always considered broadly similar in size to ourselves, because they were, though we have a fan base they can only dream of. Impressed, though green with envy. Absolute joke. 4 years and counting and not a sign of even a plan, except scrabbling around for an escape route where they can get their money back and keep Wael living out his deluded fantasies. Good luck with that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 23:51:50 GMT
We just paid a fee for barrett. He was clearly overweight and unfit. No pro footballer should be like that in january. Its unforgivable but we payed a fee for him.
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Jan 12, 2020 7:48:49 GMT
<Either way, 5 1/2 months salary to move on from the farce we witnessed today, what do you reckon, good value?>
You'd probably get enough for a train ticket back to India too if you passed the cap at the next home game.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Jan 12, 2020 12:22:36 GMT
My take on it.
The electronic advertising hoarding had some things going on I haven’t watched before. There’s the regular emergency locksmiths I had wondered is a cunning sign to the players it’s time to break out our own half, though it clearly isn’t. There’s a whole load of lorry’s clogging into some sort of convoy - 10-4 my good buddies. And we have what’s looks like two television sets chasing each other around half the ground, or maybe making a break for it. In premier league they have walking dogs, maybe at this level all you can afford or expect are some indeterminate black squares.
Those poor sods in East Stand are missing out on these interesting developments.
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Post by toteend3 on Jan 12, 2020 12:56:52 GMT
My take on it. The electronic advertising hoarding had some things going on I haven’t watched before. There’s the regular emergency locksmiths I had wondered is a cunning sign to the players it’s time to break out our own half, though it clearly isn’t. There’s a whole load of lorry’s clogging into some sort of convoy - 10-4 my good buddies. And we have what’s looks like two television sets chasing each other around half the ground, or maybe making a break for it. In premier league they have walking dogs, maybe at this level all you can afford or expect are some indeterminate black squares. Those poor sods in East Stand are missing out on these interesting developments. Nevertheless 'Pump it up!'at halftime saved the Nick Day!
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kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jan 14, 2020 12:16:51 GMT
So Sad.Glad I didn't come down today but have been to non league at Oswestry.Even there they had a superb set up and I wonder on days like today just what is happening with no wins ,hardly any goals or even shots and zilch happening it seems to improve our stadium or training facilities.No updates from the owner.Not holding my breath for the Coventry replay and if I was a player don't think we'd be too attractive a proposition as in incentive to join us. Lack of leadership and my hunch is that BG won't be around for long.Lovely man but like my MP Bill Cash, talks a good game but little evidence he actually achieves anything. I don't much watch us in the flesh these days, years since I have really. Just to get that out there first. I remember standing on the North Enclosure at Eastville one night when fans were giving a director (Stephens?) a really hard time after a home defeat when the old place had been rocking and we'd as usual f'd it up on the edge of promotion. I was about 18 I guess and got caught up in the frenzy shouting abuse and even now nearly 40 years later I'm ashamed by how the mob, of which I was part, ranted and railed as this balding bespectacled man stood there and took it. I shouted 'you don't even want to go up' and he looked right at me. Same as when I shouted once at Brian Williams to 'get a move on' in the 90th minute of a game when we were 2 v 0 down at home and he turned to the north enclosure and said with complete authority 'f off'. Fair. I went to a Bath v Yeovil match in the mid/late 80s, Randall was playing for Yeovil and Graham Withey for Bath. Cup game I think. Twerton of course. Both came to the bar later, Withey was a friend of the manager of the band I was in. Randall told me that city fans are all c...s. Decent insight. Withey asked me if I was a north enclosure boo boy. I mumbled something unsatisfactory and he knew then that I was. All this background to what end? I took my daughter back to exeter university today. We got there about 2:30 and driving in I realised how close I was to the ground so I parked up and walked. Not been there since about 85. Ground is nicely developed, a big terrace behind one goal and 2 decent modern stands running the length of the pitch. The away end, which I remember as a crumbling heap of low level concrete, seems to have been spruced up with a roof and everything. Well, a roof anyway. Not that there were any away fans in there, all 82 from Cambridge must have been elsewhere. Had a chat with lots of their fans on the terrace. They are rightly very proud of the club and it's neat modernised ground and all the community stuff they do. The first half the team was terrible and there was a bit of low level moaning. Second half they seemed to have been given a managerial rocket and were transformed, pace down the wings and some coherent movement. 2 well worked goals and in the end well deserved. The only consolation was that the people I spoke to said if I'd been a City fan they'd have been less welcoming. I don't know but we seem to be being left years behind. There is no seem about it. We are not just in a different leagie, football wise but on another couple of levels in infrastructure and PR. Youngsters are not really looking at us and, as a Kingswood kiddy, I don’t like seeing the young uns with their city merchandise
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