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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2020 1:02:54 GMT
Blackpool have not suddenly become a bad side,they have plenty of talented players. There on a bad run like us and portsmouth,ipswich and sunderland have been at various times this season. Garner will get sacked unless our form picks up or we will not sell any season tickets for next season. But maybe we will have a good run of form?
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Feb 22, 2020 7:51:06 GMT
Blackpool have not suddenly become a bad side,they have plenty of talented players. There on a bad run like us and portsmouth,ipswich and sunderland have been at various times this season. Garner will get sacked unless our form picks up or we will not sell any season tickets for next season. But maybe we will have a good run of form? But that's my point to a certain extent, we're persisting with the maybes to the neglected facts. Maybe Nichols might start scoring soon? Remember that? Some still think it! Where does maybe we will have a good run of form end? If it isn't after 15 matches, when? Wmg makes some very valid points. Especially about dining out on the one win and probably getting the gig no matter what. I totally agree with you about the journeyman injury list....these were all DC and priors. Does THD count?
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Post by irenestoyboy on Feb 22, 2020 8:34:48 GMT
To WMGAS. After coughlan took over the recruitment was much better imo. jaakola,hare,davies,clarke-harris,ogogo and now blackman have been mostly outstanding. Garner in theory has good inside knowledge of higher division academy players which should help with loans and permanent signings. Garner worked with daly at palace for example. Anyway the proof of the pudding is in the eating so we will have to see what happens. Its too late to do a u-turn now so im on board with allowing garner to see the project through or if garner gets sacked getting someone else in with the same strategy. If you remember the interview that Widdrington did a few months back his job is to plan a window or 2 in advance of key players that will strengthen the squad in obvious areas but also have data on every position on the pitch so if the manager says “I want a creative left footed attacking CAM who is 23-26 with 150 league appearances in L2 minimum” Widdrington puts the best 3 in front of him according to the budget. I’ve chatted to Tommy a few times and his knowledge on players is absolutely incredible. Not just who they are, but what he thinks of them, where their level is currently at, what immediate potential they have, whether their current manager is playing and training them properly.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2020 8:44:47 GMT
Blackpool have not suddenly become a bad side,they have plenty of talented players. There on a bad run like us and portsmouth,ipswich and sunderland have been at various times this season. Garner will get sacked unless our form picks up or we will not sell any season tickets for next season. But maybe we will have a good run of form? But that's my point to a certain extent, we're persisting with the maybes to the neglected facts. Maybe Nichols might start scoring soon? Remember that? Some still think it! Where does maybe we will have a good run of form end? If it isn't after 15 matches, when? Wmg makes some very valid points. Especially about dining out on the one win and probably getting the gig no matter what. I totally agree with you about the journeyman injury list....these were all DC and priors. Does THD count? As i said somewhere on here i believe garner needs mid table form from now until the end of the season. Four great seasons under DC so i for one forgive the mistakes made at the end.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Feb 22, 2020 8:46:00 GMT
We have improved recently. Nothing wrong with 4-3-3 or any other formation,they all work and dont work. If the results carry on being poor and they sack garner i hope they get someone in who stays with the strategy. Most teams play with one out and out striker these days so why not us? Every manager has never managed before at some point. Do lucky goals count as goals? Well I can't argue that recent improvements of a win and a draw is somewhat promotion form! All goals count as goals, but I think it's disingenuous to take it out of context. We took a lucky win. I'll take that any day. The point is 1/15 wins is an unacceptable percentage, and the management team have to be held to account for that. Much like Mr Holloway is held to account for his start to his Grimsbury tenure. Again it's not the fledgling manager point I'm making, it's the issue BG has never played professionally as well. Again, not an issue if started ok, but unless you think 1/15 is very good, you'll be in the 'Nichols in' club!? I hope it works for whomever is in charge, I want us to be as successful as possible. Unfortunately I see a manager that's clueless atm. Too slow to react to midfield crisis, not proactive enough when needed. Playing one up front is fine if you play a certain way...I saw six players behind the ball on a break last Saturday, all looking at each other and sauntering forward....jch needs a strike partner and it's no coincidence we looked more if a threat when headless chicken Abraham came on and helped out a bit up front. It hardly ever works, but hell yea we go again and make same mistakes 4-3-3.... he'll do it again tomorrow! Anyway, BG bombed Nichols out though, so fair play, especially after giving him a chance.... having said that, Stevie Wonder could've seen that. Unless things change drastically, jury very much out on BG for me. I’m not sure playing football professionally makes you a good or bad manager. Plenty of ex players make terrible managers. Arsène Wenger never played professional football. I think we also need to take into account Bens personal circumstances which took hold not long after he took over. Its very difficult to be dismissive of that and we have looked much improved since his return from a leave of absence. He was also left a threadbare squad with loads on the treatment table. I also believe that him sticking with the 433 is the way forward for now. I don’t think we will see much of Tony Craig once Cian Harris is fit either. He struggles in a 4 man defence and no longer has the legs to play high pressing defence lines. Tom Davies is also a great ball playing defender so Alfie will have to up his game to play alongside him. Josh Hare is coming back who had a fantastic 1/3 season before his injury and that will suit a 433. Once Daly gets fit he will be a great foil for JCH as well. There are lots of positives and reasons why we need to stick with Ben.
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Post by TaiwanGas on Feb 22, 2020 8:56:58 GMT
Blackpool have not suddenly become a bad side,they have plenty of talented players. There on a bad run like us and portsmouth,ipswich and sunderland have been at various times this season. Garner will get sacked unless our form picks up or we will not sell any season tickets for next season. But maybe we will have a good run of form? A 'run' you say?, 15 games for our first win is more or less 1/3rd of our season!. A 'run' is perhaps 5-8 games, but 15 is in truth a total collapse or flop. Ben Garner (we all) are lucky to have the luxury of Coughlans points.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2020 9:36:38 GMT
Blackpool have not suddenly become a bad side,they have plenty of talented players. There on a bad run like us and portsmouth,ipswich and sunderland have been at various times this season. Garner will get sacked unless our form picks up or we will not sell any season tickets for next season. But maybe we will have a good run of form? A 'run' you say?, 15 games for our first win is more or less 1/3rd of our season!. A 'run' is perhaps 5-8 games, but 15 is in truth a total collapse or flop. Ben Garner (we all) are lucky to have the luxury of Coughlans points. I just think now he has brought in 7 players it makes sense to see if the recent improvement can turn into a decent rest of season. Thomas frank at brentford lost 8 of his first 10 games and gary johnson lost 8 or 9 on the trot at city when they were first appointed so its not unprecedented to start so badly.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2020 10:27:02 GMT
Yes he did, not with any great success, but he was a professional player for a few years. Edit. Silly quote function. I was trying to reply to you saying that Wenger was never a professional player.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2020 10:39:32 GMT
Well I can't argue that recent improvements of a win and a draw is somewhat promotion form! All goals count as goals, but I think it's disingenuous to take it out of context. We took a lucky win. I'll take that any day. The point is 1/15 wins is an unacceptable percentage, and the management team have to be held to account for that. Much like Mr Holloway is held to account for his start to his Grimsbury tenure. Again it's not the fledgling manager point I'm making, it's the issue BG has never played professionally as well. Again, not an issue if started ok, but unless you think 1/15 is very good, you'll be in the 'Nichols in' club!? I hope it works for whomever is in charge, I want us to be as successful as possible. Unfortunately I see a manager that's clueless atm. Too slow to react to midfield crisis, not proactive enough when needed. Playing one up front is fine if you play a certain way...I saw six players behind the ball on a break last Saturday, all looking at each other and sauntering forward....jch needs a strike partner and it's no coincidence we looked more if a threat when headless chicken Abraham came on and helped out a bit up front. It hardly ever works, but hell yea we go again and make same mistakes 4-3-3.... he'll do it again tomorrow! Anyway, BG bombed Nichols out though, so fair play, especially after giving him a chance.... having said that, Stevie Wonder could've seen that. Unless things change drastically, jury very much out on BG for me. I’m not sure playing football professionally makes you a good or bad manager. Plenty of ex players make terrible managers. Arsène Wenger never played professional football. I think we also need to take into account Bens personal circumstances which took hold not long after he took over. Its very difficult to be dismissive of that and we have looked much improved since his return from a leave of absence. He was also left a threadbare squad with loads on the treatment table. I also believe that him sticking with the 433 is the way forward for now. I don’t think we will see much of Tony Craig once Cian Harris is fit either. He struggles in a 4 man defence and no longer has the legs to play high pressing defence lines. Tom Davies is also a great ball playing defender so Alfie will have to up his game to play alongside him. Josh Hare is coming back who had a fantastic 1/3 season before his injury and that will suit a 433. Once Daly gets fit he will be a great foil for JCH as well. There are lots of positives and reasons why we need to stick with Ben. I think a few will be in for a shock then because Harries, by all accounts, is not a defender. He’s got good ball skills but is poor at the athletics required to defend. This for me is another potential issue with Garner, it’s just like a football manager simulator where it seems he thinks he can chuck a Rio Ferdinand like defender into the mix in a league two side and revolutionise the game without paying due respect to the fact that defenders in this league are primarily there to defend and with bloody good reason. But don’t worry everyone, Ben’s got it covered- he’s going to solve league one with ease with his Beckenbauer like centre backs and sexy wing forwards which previously have only been the preserve of champions league fixtures and world cups and we will be building statues to him whilst he lectures on why league one is so easy and asking why other clubs haven’t adopted the ball playing centre back in favour of big hulking b'stards sooner.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2020 10:43:25 GMT
Blackpool have not suddenly become a bad side,they have plenty of talented players. There on a bad run like us and portsmouth,ipswich and sunderland have been at various times this season. Garner will get sacked unless our form picks up or we will not sell any season tickets for next season. But maybe we will have a good run of form? A 'run' you say?, 15 games for our first win is more or less 1/3rd of our season!. A 'run' is perhaps 5-8 games, but 15 is in truth a total collapse or flop. Ben Garner (we all) are lucky to have the luxury of Coughlans points. Imagine being told at Christmas that all those points amassed by Coughlan were not going to be used to fund a promotion tilt, oh no, they will be used as a cushion so that the new manager can afford to learn how to actually be a manager with no fear of relegation. Honestly, that really is ‘The Bristol Rovers Way’.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2020 10:48:28 GMT
I’m not sure playing football professionally makes you a good or bad manager. Plenty of ex players make terrible managers. Arsène Wenger never played professional football. I think we also need to take into account Bens personal circumstances which took hold not long after he took over. Its very difficult to be dismissive of that and we have looked much improved since his return from a leave of absence. He was also left a threadbare squad with loads on the treatment table. I also believe that him sticking with the 433 is the way forward for now. I don’t think we will see much of Tony Craig once Cian Harris is fit either. He struggles in a 4 man defence and no longer has the legs to play high pressing defence lines. Tom Davies is also a great ball playing defender so Alfie will have to up his game to play alongside him. Josh Hare is coming back who had a fantastic 1/3 season before his injury and that will suit a 433. Once Daly gets fit he will be a great foil for JCH as well. There are lots of positives and reasons why we need to stick with Ben. I think a few will be in for a shock then because Harries, by all accounts, is not a defender. He’s got good ball skills but is poor at the athletics required to defend. This for me is another potential issue with Garner, it’s just like a football manager simulator where it seems he thinks he can chuck a Rio Ferdinand like defender into the mix in a league two side and revolutionise the game without paying due respect to the fact that defenders in this league are primarily there to defend and with bloody good reason. But don’t worry everyone, Ben’s got it covered- he’s going to solve league one with ease with his Beckenbauer like centre backs and sexy wing forwards which previously have only been the preserve of champions league fixtures and world cups and we will be building statues to him whilst he lectures on why league one is so easy and asking why other clubs haven’t adopted the ball playing centre back in favour of big hulking b******s sooner. This is the thing isn't it. If we do find a player with the skill, balance and first touch to be able to take a look as the ball as coming to him, get his body shape right so that his opponent doesn't know which way he's going when the ball arrives, and can then play an accurate pass with correct weight, we'll lose that player at the very next window as there are Championship and PL clubs looking for them constantly.
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Post by TaiwanGas on Feb 22, 2020 11:01:59 GMT
A 'run' you say?, 15 games for our first win is more or less 1/3rd of our season!. A 'run' is perhaps 5-8 games, but 15 is in truth a total collapse or flop. Ben Garner (we all) are lucky to have the luxury of Coughlans points. I just think now he has brought in 7 players it makes sense to see if the recent improvement can turn into a decent rest of season. Thomas frank at brentford lost 8 of his first 10 games and gary johnson lost 8 or 9 on the trot at city when they were first appointed so its not unprecedented to start so badly. Well, I think he will be given the time now that our season is more or less dead rubber, and with no pressure of promotion or relegation we have got to hope that he comes good, now is the time. Players aside, I do hope that he moves away from playing 4-3-3 at home in particular, it just ain't right in League One, anyway, those that make a so said 4-3-3 work are mainly playing in a 4-4-2 Diamond with World Class players, 4-3-3 was last years pony.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Feb 22, 2020 12:30:43 GMT
I’m not sure playing football professionally makes you a good or bad manager. Plenty of ex players make terrible managers. Arsène Wenger never played professional football. I think we also need to take into account Bens personal circumstances which took hold not long after he took over. Its very difficult to be dismissive of that and we have looked much improved since his return from a leave of absence. He was also left a threadbare squad with loads on the treatment table. I also believe that him sticking with the 433 is the way forward for now. I don’t think we will see much of Tony Craig once Cian Harris is fit either. He struggles in a 4 man defence and no longer has the legs to play high pressing defence lines. Tom Davies is also a great ball playing defender so Alfie will have to up his game to play alongside him. Josh Hare is coming back who had a fantastic 1/3 season before his injury and that will suit a 433. Once Daly gets fit he will be a great foil for JCH as well. There are lots of positives and reasons why we need to stick with Ben. I think a few will be in for a shock then because Harries, by all accounts, is not a defender. He’s got good ball skills but is poor at the athletics required to defend. This for me is another potential issue with Garner, it’s just like a football manager simulator where it seems he thinks he can chuck a Rio Ferdinand like defender into the mix in a league two side and revolutionise the game without paying due respect to the fact that defenders in this league are primarily there to defend and with bloody good reason. But don’t worry everyone, Ben’s got it covered- he’s going to solve league one with ease with his Beckenbauer like centre backs and sexy wing forwards which previously have only been the preserve of champions league fixtures and world cups and we will be building statues to him whilst he lectures on why league one is so easy and asking why other clubs haven’t adopted the ball playing centre back in favour of big hulking b******s sooner. Cian Harries...is by all accounts a very good defender. A pacey, technical, ball playing centre half who has a superb accuracy rate, but I guess we can ignore expert opinions by people like Tony Mowbray and take the word of a forum member with a negative mindset. His weakness is his heading, but that can be trained and if you have an aerial ball winner next to him in TD then it’s a very good pairing for a back 4. If you want a comparison to style then look no further than Danny Cowley and how Lincoln played their way to L1.
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Post by Peter Parker on Feb 22, 2020 12:35:07 GMT
I’m not sure playing football professionally makes you a good or bad manager. Plenty of ex players make terrible managers. Arsène Wenger never played professional football. I think we also need to take into account Bens personal circumstances which took hold not long after he took over. Its very difficult to be dismissive of that and we have looked much improved since his return from a leave of absence. He was also left a threadbare squad with loads on the treatment table. I also believe that him sticking with the 433 is the way forward for now. I don’t think we will see much of Tony Craig once Cian Harris is fit either. He struggles in a 4 man defence and no longer has the legs to play high pressing defence lines. Tom Davies is also a great ball playing defender so Alfie will have to up his game to play alongside him. Josh Hare is coming back who had a fantastic 1/3 season before his injury and that will suit a 433. Once Daly gets fit he will be a great foil for JCH as well. There are lots of positives and reasons why we need to stick with Ben. I think a few will be in for a shock then because Harries, by all accounts, is not a defender. He’s got good ball skills but is poor at the athletics required to defend. This for me is another potential issue with Garner, it’s just like a football manager simulator where it seems he thinks he can chuck a Rio Ferdinand like defender into the mix in a league two side and revolutionise the game without paying due respect to the fact that defenders in this league are primarily there to defend and with bloody good reason. But don’t worry everyone, Ben’s got it covered- he’s going to solve league one with ease with his Beckenbauer like centre backs and sexy wing forwards which previously have only been the preserve of champions league fixtures and world cups and we will be building statues to him whilst he lectures on why league one is so easy and asking why other clubs haven’t adopted the ball playing centre back in favour of big hulking b******s sooner. How do we know they havent earmarked Harries to replace Upson
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2020 12:38:55 GMT
I think a few will be in for a shock then because Harries, by all accounts, is not a defender. He’s got good ball skills but is poor at the athletics required to defend. This for me is another potential issue with Garner, it’s just like a football manager simulator where it seems he thinks he can chuck a Rio Ferdinand like defender into the mix in a league two side and revolutionise the game without paying due respect to the fact that defenders in this league are primarily there to defend and with bloody good reason. But don’t worry everyone, Ben’s got it covered- he’s going to solve league one with ease with his Beckenbauer like centre backs and sexy wing forwards which previously have only been the preserve of champions league fixtures and world cups and we will be building statues to him whilst he lectures on why league one is so easy and asking why other clubs haven’t adopted the ball playing centre back in favour of big hulking b******s sooner. Cian Harries...is by all accounts a very good defender. A pacey, technical, ball playing centre half who has a superb accuracy rate, but I guess we can ignore expert opinions by people like Tony Mowbray and take the word of a forum member with a negative mindset. His weakness is his heading, but that can be trained and if you have an aerial ball winner next to him in TD then it’s a very good pairing for a back 4. If you want a comparison to style then look no further than Danny Cowley and how Lincoln played their way to L1. To be fair, we can discount your 'expert' opinion. You didn't even know that Wenger had a playing career
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Post by irenestoyboy on Feb 22, 2020 12:43:08 GMT
A 'run' you say?, 15 games for our first win is more or less 1/3rd of our season!. A 'run' is perhaps 5-8 games, but 15 is in truth a total collapse or flop. Ben Garner (we all) are lucky to have the luxury of Coughlans points. Imagine being told at Christmas that all those points amassed by Coughlan were not going to be used to fund a promotion tilt, oh no, they will be used as a cushion so that the new manager can afford to learn how to actually be a manager with no fear of relegation. Honestly, that really is ‘The Bristol Rovers Way’. If you were the Southampton chairman you would have sacked Hasenhutll after 2 wins and 3 draws from the first 15 games including being tonked 9-0 at home by Leicester. Similarities there I think and an absolutely hideous run/ 1/3 of a season. However in the last 18 games they have won 8 and drawn 3 including wins over Chelsea, Spurs and Leicester and are only 3 points behind Arsenal who sit 10th. It’s very possible we can go on a run and if so, drag ourselves back into the play off mix bearing in mind that everyone is beating everyone in this league on their day, there is no form.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Feb 22, 2020 12:44:13 GMT
Cian Harries...is by all accounts a very good defender. A pacey, technical, ball playing centre half who has a superb accuracy rate, but I guess we can ignore expert opinions by people like Tony Mowbray and take the word of a forum member with a negative mindset. His weakness is his heading, but that can be trained and if you have an aerial ball winner next to him in TD then it’s a very good pairing for a back 4. If you want a comparison to style then look no further than Danny Cowley and how Lincoln played their way to L1. To be fair, we can discount your 'expert' opinion. You didn't even know that Wenger had a playing career I don’t claim to be an expert!!
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Post by eppinggas on Feb 22, 2020 12:48:36 GMT
Imagine being told at Christmas that all those points amassed by Coughlan were not going to be used to fund a promotion tilt, oh no, they will be used as a cushion so that the new manager can afford to learn how to actually be a manager with no fear of relegation. Honestly, that really is ‘The Bristol Rovers Way’. If you were the Southampton chairman you would have sacked Hasenhutll after 2 wins and 3 draws from the first 15 games including being tonked 9-0 at home by Leicester. Similarities there I think and an absolutely hideous run/ 1/3 of a season. However in the last 18 games they have won 8 and drawn 3 including wins over Chelsea, Spurs and Leicester and are only 3 points behind Arsenal who sit 10th. It’s very possible we can go on a run and if so, drag ourselves back into the play off mix bearing in mind that everyone is beating everyone in this league on their day, there is no form. Obviously I hope things work out for Ben. But your last sentence is delusional. It ignores pretty much everything we have seen over the last 15 games (including a solitary spawney win over Blackpool). IMHO It's very improbable we can go on a run...
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Feb 22, 2020 12:50:48 GMT
Well I can't argue that recent improvements of a win and a draw is somewhat promotion form! All goals count as goals, but I think it's disingenuous to take it out of context. We took a lucky win. I'll take that any day. The point is 1/15 wins is an unacceptable percentage, and the management team have to be held to account for that. Much like Mr Holloway is held to account for his start to his Grimsbury tenure. Again it's not the fledgling manager point I'm making, it's the issue BG has never played professionally as well. Again, not an issue if started ok, but unless you think 1/15 is very good, you'll be in the 'Nichols in' club!? I hope it works for whomever is in charge, I want us to be as successful as possible. Unfortunately I see a manager that's clueless atm. Too slow to react to midfield crisis, not proactive enough when needed. Playing one up front is fine if you play a certain way...I saw six players behind the ball on a break last Saturday, all looking at each other and sauntering forward....jch needs a strike partner and it's no coincidence we looked more if a threat when headless chicken Abraham came on and helped out a bit up front. It hardly ever works, but hell yea we go again and make same mistakes 4-3-3.... he'll do it again tomorrow! Anyway, BG bombed Nichols out though, so fair play, especially after giving him a chance.... having said that, Stevie Wonder could've seen that. Unless things change drastically, jury very much out on BG for me. I’m not sure playing football professionally makes you a good or bad manager. Plenty of ex players make terrible managers. Arsène Wenger never played professional football. I think we also need to take into account Bens personal circumstances which took hold not long after he took over. Its very difficult to be dismissive of that and we have looked much improved since his return from a leave of absence. He was also left a threadbare squad with loads on the treatment table. I also believe that him sticking with the 433 is the way forward for now. I don’t think we will see much of Tony Craig once Cian Harris is fit either. He struggles in a 4 man defence and no longer has the legs to play high pressing defence lines. Tom Davies is also a great ball playing defender so Alfie will have to up his game to play alongside him. Josh Hare is coming back who had a fantastic 1/3 season before his injury and that will suit a 433. Once Daly gets fit he will be a great foil for JCH as well. There are lots of positives and reasons why we need to stick with Ben. Kinda disagree with almost everything in the post..! Arsene played for Mulhouse and Strasbourg according to Wiki, must admit I didn't know. I know there will be exceptions, but even in further business most managers (generally) have working experience of the the employees below them. Although agree best players don't make best managers.... perhaps great captains of clubs might stand a better chance to manage successfully? Agree with his inherited squad, threadbare injury list, but even since the new year when he can bring in whom he wants (with limitations) we can't beat two of the poorest teams in division when they were both on poor form. Totally disagree with 4-3-3. It didn't work for DC GC or BG yet. What makes anyone think it will now? The maybes again..... because no one knows if Josh Hare will hit the heights of his form, and in any case why are we playing it now without him? But hey, carry on.. Positives are the maybes and hopefuls. The reality is 1/15 match wins is unacceptable. How long must it carry on?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2020 13:43:12 GMT
To be fair, we can discount your 'expert' opinion. You didn't even know that Wenger had a playing career I don’t claim to be an expert!! Maybe not, but the post I quoted was written to discredit people who disagreed with you, when in fact, just like the rest of us, you are probably just a complete layman.
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