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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 23:20:23 GMT
I feel sorry for Garner,starting a new job and things going so badly wrong he must be wondering how long he has to get things right,he might even think about resigning if his confidence is gone. From Rovers point of view even if he left tomorrow they still have to find a manager who can take this group of players and get more out of them,ok Coughlan was doing it but there have been injuries since he left. I think that it would have to be the coaches as caretaker managers until the end of the season or bring in some older experienced manager (but who would want the job ?) someone like (but not) John Ward. I really hope that Garner can sort it out but it wont be easy as he has to get rid of players so that he can bring in people that he wants to play the game his way, oh and there is probably very little money for him either. Well said. It's difficult not to be critical of him and you've given a very balanced and calm view. Let's see where we are end of Feb. I make it 17 pts approx to avoid relegation. Not joking Absolutely preposterous post. Talking about calm and balance, then talking complete twaddle. We were in form that gave us a very good chance of automatic promotion, now you want to gamble even a chance of a play off position to allow a chancer another 6 weeks to try to learn how to be a football manager. Have said previously that I didn't know anything about the Indian League, so decided to take a look, it's laughable, proper Downs League stuff. Watch a few match highlight videos, then I double dare anybody to say, and expect to be taken seriously, that they are surprised Garner is struggling. Whoever made this appointment is a fruitcake.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Jan 11, 2020 23:21:39 GMT
I kinda agree, but it is so easy to see the other side of the coin.
Wael has appointed and entrusted the club's direction to someone whom has had no managerial experience, has never played professional football, and it hasn't started well. We could quite easily be out of both cup competitions by this time Tuesday ... (plus we play the top of the league away next).
From 4th to 11th over Christmas.
A team hard to beat to a team hard to score let alone draw. Someone said 2 shots on target in the last 5 matches(?).
I agree you give it time, but how long? Unless everyone is conceding relegation is perfectly ok and acceptable?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 23:35:04 GMT
I kinda agree, but it is so easy to see the other side of the coin. Wael has appointed and entrusted the club's direction to someone whom has had no managerial experience, has never played professional football, and it hasn't started well. We could quite easily be out of both cup competitions by this time Tuesday ... (plus we play the top of the league away next). From 4th to 11th over Christmas. A team hard to beat to a team hard to score let alone draw. Someone said 2 shots on target in the last 5 matches(?). I agree you give it time, but how long? Unless everyone is conceding relegation is perfectly ok and acceptable? Today's 'shot on target' was a sidefooted ball, lofted into the box that would have bounced and rolled in.
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Post by swissgas on Jan 12, 2020 0:25:41 GMT
True - Everyone is entitled to raise valid points for discussion, however 16 days into a new job and already being 'rubbished' to me seems very harsh - Christ if i think the jobs ive taken on in my life and how long its taken to win over doubters and become valued it took months in some cases, certainly not days! My honest opinion, this guy is a coach, not a manager. Maybe he can become a manager, but you don't normally learn in L1, not without someone like Lennie holding your hand for a while. Had Garner arrived as an assistant it would make perfect sense, but to bring him from a League, which although I know nothing about it, I doubt is much better than 6th tier UK football at the very best, probably lower, and expect him to do a job in our 3rd tier, it's a ridiculous ask. There aren't any stand out teams in L1 this season, but there are some wise old managers who know every trick in the book. Ref your jobs. Have you ever been recruited from one side of the world to the other and put in charge of a department with a multi-million pound budget, where there are huge consequences for the company and a lot of the staff if you fail in your first year? That's what Rovers have done here. Waiting for comment from Swiss with interest. I guess you may be referring to my long forgotten (but still patented) concept of managing the manager ? Like all Rovers managers Ben is being handicapped by lack of direction. Fans may immediately counter by saying that Darrell Clarke and Graham Coughlan were given competitive budgets but it’s about a lot more than just money. You have to be proactive in managing the manager to get the best out of him, and ensuring he gets the best out of your money, but we don’t do that at Rovers. Nick Higgs even boasted about letting the manager “get on with it” but that policy has proven to be a recipe for disaster. How many picked up on the number of times Darrell Clarke talked about Steve Brookfield the Finance Director ? It was obvious they had a good relationship and that Darrell felt he had someone he could talk to sensibly and gain confidence from so once Steve disappeared without trace the writing was on the wall for Darrell. And Graham Coughlan apparently upped and left without anyone from Rovers having the slightest inkling he was unhappy so what sort of relationship did the Board have with him ? Ben Garner has been thrown into this job with a few of Darrell’s men, a few of Graham’s men, none of his own and IMO not a lot of management support from those he presumably reports to. But having said that I’m not actually sure whether our Board of Directors has the capability of providing much in the way of support when it appears to consist of a pixie from Jordan, a trappist monk from Dorset and the silhouette of an old man with long hair.
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Post by toteend3 on Jan 12, 2020 0:29:29 GMT
Couple of positives from today, firstly for 85 minutes i thought our defensive shape.was good, albeit we do need to have more of a goal threat ( i take a 1-0 win at Coventry)
Secondly, i understand Ben's 'digs' in India was in the slum area of the city, dilapadated and very rundown, so the Memorial Stadium with all the tents, concrete and rusting buildings has made Ben feel very much at home.
Keep the faith UTG
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Post by stevek192 on Jan 12, 2020 1:09:32 GMT
The problem is we have a very inexperienced Manager appointed by very inexperienced owners who have little interest in doing anything other than surviving until they can sell the club. Put it that way other than Craig, Upson and Sercombe we had little to no experience out there today and I can only see it getting worse as experienced players go out and inexperienced youngsters come in on the cheap. I firmly believe there was more into GC leaving than family matters..
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Post by TaiwanGas on Jan 12, 2020 3:11:18 GMT
Clearly, Coughlan meant to say, "He had taken the team as far as he wanted to, rather than 'as far as he could' I think he got a sniff of BG being groomed in the wings, hence his outbursts of 'no security'' and wanting to jump ship. All those hard fought, ground out win's laid to waste in a fortnight of a depressing ongoing shambles.
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Post by mangogas15 on Jan 12, 2020 7:56:33 GMT
Well said. It's difficult not to be critical of him and you've given a very balanced and calm view. Let's see where we are end of Feb. I make it 17 pts approx to avoid relegation. Not joking Absolutely preposterous post. Talking about calm and balance, then talking complete twaddle. We were in form that gave us a very good chance of automatic promotion, now you want to gamble even a chance of a play off position to allow a chancer another 6 weeks to try to learn how to be a football manager. Have said previously that I didn't know anything about the Indian League, so decided to take a look, it's laughable, proper Downs League stuff. Watch a few match highlight videos, then I double dare anybody to say, and expect to be taken seriously, that they are surprised Garner is struggling. Whoever made this appointment is a fruitcake. Of course, we were in form and sacked the manager didn't we.??!! Sack Garner then after 5 games. 🙄
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Post by Angas on Jan 12, 2020 9:01:16 GMT
FFS doesn't contain an apostrophe in the middle! Just saying! Oh btw....nice post. I thought it did tbh The sake belonging to F***, therefore 's You are right. Just that you missed out the s. So it looked like you were wrong
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 9:27:20 GMT
Absolutely preposterous post. Talking about calm and balance, then talking complete twaddle. We were in form that gave us a very good chance of automatic promotion, now you want to gamble even a chance of a play off position to allow a chancer another 6 weeks to try to learn how to be a football manager. Have said previously that I didn't know anything about the Indian League, so decided to take a look, it's laughable, proper Downs League stuff. Watch a few match highlight videos, then I double dare anybody to say, and expect to be taken seriously, that they are surprised Garner is struggling. Whoever made this appointment is a fruitcake. Of course, we were in form and sacked the manager didn't we.??!! Sack Garner then after 5 games. 🙄 No, we didn't sack the last manager. He walked away.
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Post by bloogas on Jan 12, 2020 9:33:43 GMT
The problem is we have a very inexperienced Manager appointed by very inexperienced owners who have little interest in doing anything other than surviving until they can sell the club. Put it that way other than Craig, Upson and Sercombe we had little to no experience out there today and I can only see it getting worse as experienced players go out and inexperienced youngsters come in on the cheap. I firmly believe there was more into GC leaving than family matters.. And wasn't this made a lot easier by a fan base who, apparently, didn't like GC, didn't like his style of football (probably forced on him) and stooped to taking it out on his children?
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Post by mangogas15 on Jan 12, 2020 12:57:15 GMT
Of course, we were in form and sacked the manager didn't we.??!! Sack Garner then after 5 games. 🙄 No, we didn't sack the last manager. He walked away. Irony.... We didn't sack the manager, therefore there was no mess to clear up like last year. Read the report on yesterday game. Doncaster dominated possession without the cutting edge. Our best chance was just before they scored, then they got the result they deserved. That's a balanced view. Anyone could have struggled with this squad because GC had them over performing. As soon as his magic mixture wasn't there, we would have lost to Ipswich, Plymouth home or away, Bromley, Shrewsbury, etc need i go on. As soon as you get a notification saying 'Bamber Gasbag has quoted your post' you pretty much know it's going to be negative and disagreed with, with no real backing. We have no choice to give the manager time, i say 2 windows, unless we go down which is not twaddle. He had no pre season and has inherited a half decent squad good enough for mid table only. I heard fans yesterday saying we missed Ollie Clarke yesterday, yet when he plays they slag him off. Some on here slagged off GC and now they have what they wished for. Tough luck, deal with it. I feel we set up defensively yesterday but they were very good though they lacked cutting edge first half. We could have won, to lose late was gutting in the end. Look at Sunderland, sacked the manager (yes, i know we didn't), and Parkinson has struggled to get them going his way. They've started winning because he's had time. Keep balanced and carry on Bamber 🙄 Love ya
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 14:44:06 GMT
No, we didn't sack the last manager. He walked away. Irony.... We didn't sack the manager, therefore there was no mess to clear up like last year. Read the report on yesterday game. Doncaster dominated possession without the cutting edge. Our best chance was just before they scored, then they got the result they deserved. That's a balanced view. Anyone could have struggled with this squad because GC had them over performing. As soon as his magic mixture wasn't there, we would have lost to Ipswich, Plymouth home or away, Bromley, Shrewsbury, etc need i go on. As soon as you get a notification saying 'Bamber Gasbag has quoted your post' you pretty much know it's going to be negative and disagreed with, with no real backing. We have no choice to give the manager time, i say 2 windows, unless we go down which is not twaddle. He had no pre season and has inherited a half decent squad good enough for mid table only. I heard fans yesterday saying we missed Ollie Clarke yesterday, yet when he plays they slag him off. Some on here slagged off GC and now they have what they wished for. Tough luck, deal with it. I feel we set up defensively yesterday but they were very good though they lacked cutting edge first half. We could have won, to lose late was gutting in the end. Look at Sunderland, sacked the manager (yes, i know we didn't), and Parkinson has struggled to get them going his way. They've started winning because he's had time. Keep balanced and carry on Bamber 🙄 Love ya Say something sensible and I'll agree with you. Until then... Just so that you don't accuse me of not 'backing up' what's being said. In one breath you are saying that this squad would lose to Plymouth and Bromley, in the next, they are a mid-table L1 team. You can't have it both ways. Garner will no doubt get until the Bolton game, but expect him to be gone if there are no Ws on his record after that one. Do you want a discussion about what's happened at Sunderland? Happy to have one.
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Post by mangogas15 on Jan 12, 2020 16:08:31 GMT
Irony.... We didn't sack the manager, therefore there was no mess to clear up like last year. Read the report on yesterday game. Doncaster dominated possession without the cutting edge. Our best chance was just before they scored, then they got the result they deserved. That's a balanced view. Anyone could have struggled with this squad because GC had them over performing. As soon as his magic mixture wasn't there, we would have lost to Ipswich, Plymouth home or away, Bromley, Shrewsbury, etc need i go on. As soon as you get a notification saying 'Bamber Gasbag has quoted your post' you pretty much know it's going to be negative and disagreed with, with no real backing. We have no choice to give the manager time, i say 2 windows, unless we go down which is not twaddle. He had no pre season and has inherited a half decent squad good enough for mid table only. I heard fans yesterday saying we missed Ollie Clarke yesterday, yet when he plays they slag him off. Some on here slagged off GC and now they have what they wished for. Tough luck, deal with it. I feel we set up defensively yesterday but they were very good though they lacked cutting edge first half. We could have won, to lose late was gutting in the end. Look at Sunderland, sacked the manager (yes, i know we didn't), and Parkinson has struggled to get them going his way. They've started winning because he's had time. Keep balanced and carry on Bamber 🙄 Love ya Say something sensible and I'll agree with you. Until then... Just so that you don't accuse me of not 'backing up' what's being said. In one breath you are saying that this squad would lose to Plymouth and Bromley, in the next, they are a mid-table L1 team. You can't have it both ways. Garner will no doubt get until the Bolton game, but expect him to be gone if there are no Ws on his record after that one. Do you want a discussion about what's happened at Sunderland? Happy to have one. To answer the point, there is a lot of crap in L1 this season, we were not bad enough to go down but were getting a nose bleed in 4th place. We could now however get dragged into relegation if we lose the next 3 or 4, 2 places are done but the 3rd is there for whoever wants it. We became a lucky team by the end of GC's reign, winning while not always playing well. That luck has clearly gone as has the manager who got the best out of average to good players. Sunderland are a mess, but results are on the up finally.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 16:21:11 GMT
Say something sensible and I'll agree with you. Until then... Just so that you don't accuse me of not 'backing up' what's being said. In one breath you are saying that this squad would lose to Plymouth and Bromley, in the next, they are a mid-table L1 team. You can't have it both ways. Garner will no doubt get until the Bolton game, but expect him to be gone if there are no Ws on his record after that one. Do you want a discussion about what's happened at Sunderland? Happy to have one. To answer the point, there is a lot of crap in L1 this season, we were not bad enough to go down but were getting a nose bleed in 4th place. We could now however get dragged into relegation if we lose the next 3 or 4, 2 places are done but the 3rd is there for whoever wants it. We became a lucky team by the end of GC's reign, winning while not always playing well. That luck has clearly gone as has the manager who got the best out of average to good players. Sunderland are a mess, but results are on the up finally. 1982's Women got thrashed again today. You never know, it's 11 Vs 11, but hard to see anything other than losses in the next 2 League games, that Bolton game looks huge for this manager. Swiss makes salient points as always. I still think that whoever appointed Garner needs a check up from the neck up. As you wisely point out more than once, there was a system that had the players working well and probably over-performing, so why wouldn't we go with a continuity appointment? i.e, someone from within.
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Post by mangogas15 on Jan 12, 2020 16:36:03 GMT
To answer the point, there is a lot of crap in L1 this season, we were not bad enough to go down but were getting a nose bleed in 4th place. We could now however get dragged into relegation if we lose the next 3 or 4, 2 places are done but the 3rd is there for whoever wants it. We became a lucky team by the end of GC's reign, winning while not always playing well. That luck has clearly gone as has the manager who got the best out of average to good players. Sunderland are a mess, but results are on the up finally. 1982's Women got thrashed again today. You never know, it's 11 Vs 11, but hard to see anything other than losses in the next 2 League games, that Bolton game looks huge for this manager. Swiss makes salient points as always. I still think that whoever appointed Garner needs a check up from the neck up. As you wisely point out more than once, there was a system that had the players working well and probably over-performing, so why wouldn't we go with a continuity appointment? i.e, someone from within. I wouldn't necessarily have picked Garner, but now we have him, we need to give him a chance. He might do well, but might not.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 16:38:50 GMT
1982's Women got thrashed again today. You never know, it's 11 Vs 11, but hard to see anything other than losses in the next 2 League games, that Bolton game looks huge for this manager. Swiss makes salient points as always. I still think that whoever appointed Garner needs a check up from the neck up. As you wisely point out more than once, there was a system that had the players working well and probably over-performing, so why wouldn't we go with a continuity appointment? i.e, someone from within. I wouldn't necessarily have picked Garner, but now we have him, we need to give him a chance. He might do well, but might not. Sorry, hadn't caught up on the latest news when replying earlier. The Bolton time frame obviously now changes. I have no idea what's going on but would not be one tiny bit surprised if we don't see Ben again.
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Post by mangogas15 on Jan 12, 2020 16:42:54 GMT
I wouldn't necessarily have picked Garner, but now we have him, we need to give him a chance. He might do well, but might not. Sorry, hadn't caught up on the latest news when replying earlier. The Bolton time frame obviously now changes. I have no idea what's going on but would not be one tiny bit surprised if we don't see Ben again. Agree
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 16:48:45 GMT
Hey Harry, what's the record for the number of times Rovers have changed manager in a single season?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 17:58:39 GMT
Sorry, hadn't caught up on the latest news when replying earlier. The Bolton time frame obviously now changes. I have no idea what's going on but would not be one tiny bit surprised if we don't see Ben again. Agree As soon as the family issues are resolved I would imagine a method will be found to allow all parties involved to save face. So I would be confident he has managed his last game for the club. Fingers crossed this situation works out for the best for all involved.
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