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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 11:30:17 GMT
WMG, that seems far too haphazard and conspiratorial, even for Rovers, surely? Ben Garner was highly thought of by Rickie Lambert (albeit as a coach). That has to worth something alone. Those who have already dismissed him as unsuitable will hopefully admit they are wrong when it works. I for one am convinced it will. UTG. Yeah perhaps it is. He did interview for the Bradford job and turned them down. I dunno, just seems funny that the BP are getting quotes from someone no-one has ever heard of and suddenly he’s being interviewed and is at the forefront of the queue. Our lot don’t seem like “football people” who would have their finger on the pulse to make this sort of appointment either. Overall obviously I want my club to be successful and that means backing the manager. I wish BG no ill will but I rue the way that our board have taken a massive gamble on our position in the league by appointing someone with no experience and totally different ideas on the style we should play, thus resulting in an almost inevitable loss of form and players being told they are surplus when there is still half a season to go. I have gone from looking at the fixtures of the likes of Peterborough and Wycombe to counting the points we need to stay up. I think the first win under Garner could still be a way off.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 11:34:09 GMT
WMG, that seems far too haphazard and conspiratorial, even for Rovers, surely? Ben Garner was highly thought of by Rickie Lambert (albeit as a coach). That has to worth something alone. Those who have already dismissed him as unsuitable will hopefully admit they are wrong when it works. I for one am convinced it will. UTG. It's a pure guess as to whether or not he will become a football manager here. If those saying he will fail are correct, that would be an assessment of the chaos going on during matches so far. Backed up by endless excuses in post match interviews. If those saying that he will come good are right, it's just a guess supported by wishful thinking. Fingers crossed the management team, between them, can come up with a better performance tomorrow.
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Post by laughinggas on Jan 10, 2020 11:39:40 GMT
What did everyone say when the defence coach got appointed? No more experience than Garner, probably less on cv as well.
Our mst successful seasons have been with inexperienced managers, not that means anything going forward. Maybe he wil get in a number two who can be the hard man on the players.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 11:52:13 GMT
What did everyone say when the defence coach got appointed? No more experience than Garner, probably less on cv as well. Our mst successful seasons have been with inexperienced managers, not that means anything going forward. Maybe he wil get in a number two who can be the hard man on the players. The defence coach was put in temporary charge and won enough games to earn the job permanently. It begs the question why did we rush to appoint Garner after Maher had achieved a very creditable result against free scoring Peterborough in a game in which we looked competent and stable? We have looked anything but competent and stable (bar maybe the Fleetwood game) since. So for me, the speed in which Garner was appointed was needless (especially given Coughlan’s success in the same context) and again points to the decision having been made while Coughlan was still in the role. In my view the answer was to give Maher the Christmas fixtures to preserve continuity and then appoint a new man on or after jan 1st. That way you avoid the potential loss of credibility that a poor Christmas would bring whilst lessening the excuses of “I don’t have any time on the training pitch get my ideas across”. I literally cannot fathom why this approach was not taken. It beggars belief.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 11:55:42 GMT
Interesting comments from Ed Upson regarding Ben. My view is once his methods take hold we will see a team running like a Swiss watch that don’t treat the ball like a bouncing bomb. The time will come when we are pleading with him to stay, but he is learning his trade here and will move on.
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Post by basel on Jan 10, 2020 12:01:21 GMT
Just to add my tuppence worth. A mate of mine told me it was someone at the Bristol Post that first told Ben Rovers were after a new Manager.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 12:18:19 GMT
Interesting comments from Ed Upson regarding Ben. My view is once his methods take hold we will see a team running like a Swiss watch that don’t treat the ball like a bouncing bomb. The time will come when we are pleading with him to stay, but he is learning his trade here and will move on. I needed a good laugh. Looking forward to Ozil, Zaha and Pogba joining us. Won't get tired of saying it, this bloke is a coach who thinks he's at PSG. Can't wait to see his face when we play Lightning Cheats FC and Akinfenwa waddles out on to the pitch then proceeds to flatten his team of show ponies.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 12:56:24 GMT
WMG, that seems far too haphazard and conspiratorial, even for Rovers, surely? Ben Garner was highly thought of by Rickie Lambert (albeit as a coach). That has to worth something alone. Those who have already dismissed him as unsuitable will hopefully admit they are wrong when it works. I for one am convinced it will. UTG. It's a pure guess as to whether or not he will become a football manager here. If those saying he will fail are correct, that would be an assessment of the chaos going on during matches so far. Backed up by endless excuses in post match interviews. If those saying that he will come good are right, it's just a guess supported by wishful thinking. Fingers crossed the management team, between them, can come up with a better performance tomorrow. Bloody hell, you'd sap the life out of a baby chimpanzee on a caffeine trip. If you're right, it's based on "empirical" evidence. If those of us who prefer a more optimistic outlook are right, it's a fluke. Thank you for the clarification. For what it's worth (the square root of zero), I agree with old Steptoe.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 13:15:34 GMT
It's a pure guess as to whether or not he will become a football manager here. If those saying he will fail are correct, that would be an assessment of the chaos going on during matches so far. Backed up by endless excuses in post match interviews. If those saying that he will come good are right, it's just a guess supported by wishful thinking. Fingers crossed the management team, between them, can come up with a better performance tomorrow. Bloody hell, you'd sap the life out of a baby chimpanzee on a caffeine trip. If you're right, it's based on "empirical" evidence. If those of us who prefer a more optimistic outlook are right, it's a fluke. Thank you for the clarification. For what it's worth (the square root of zero), I agree with old Steptoe. Never liked simians, of any type, anyway.
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Post by toteend3 on Jan 10, 2020 19:27:15 GMT
HERE'S A THOUGHT:
DC WAS 'HOUNDED' VERY EARLY ON IN OUR CONFERENCE SEASON AND WAS TOLD HE WAS CLUELESS AND OUT OF HIS DEPTH! - CAME GOOD! HES TAKES A WHILE TO GET GOING AND HAS FOLLOWED SUIT THUS FAR AT WALSALL - COMING GOOD!
GC ALSO GIVEN A VERY HARD TIME, DESPITE MAKING A REASONABLE START, WHICH INCLUDING PERSONAL ATTACKS AIMED AT HIS DAUGHTER - CAME GOOD!.
BG BEEN IN THE JOB SINCE XMAS AND THE TREE HAS ONLY JUST BEEN COLLECTED TODAY BY THE COUNCIL - GIVEN TIME - HE MAY ALSO COME GOOD!
AS I SAID ITS JUST A THOUGHT - UTG
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Post by eppinggas on Jan 11, 2020 9:14:40 GMT
Interesting comments from Ed Upson regarding Ben. My view is once his methods take hold we will see a team running like a Swiss watch that don’t treat the ball like a bouncing bomb. The time will come when we are pleading with him to stay, but he is learning his trade here and will move on. I needed a good laugh. Looking forward to Ozil, Zaha and Pogba joining us. Won't get tired of saying it, this bloke is a coach who thinks he's at PSG. Can't wait to see his face when we play Lightning Cheats FC and Akinfenwa waddles out on to the pitch then proceeds to flatten his team of show ponies. Question for you Bamber. You were once a very strong critic of Darrell Clarke. How many games did it take for you to admit your mistake? I'm not saying BG will go on to be as successful as DC. I am suggesting we cut BG some slack and see what he delivers over the next 10 games or so.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 11:36:28 GMT
I needed a good laugh. Looking forward to Ozil, Zaha and Pogba joining us. Won't get tired of saying it, this bloke is a coach who thinks he's at PSG. Can't wait to see his face when we play Lightning Cheats FC and Akinfenwa waddles out on to the pitch then proceeds to flatten his team of show ponies. Question for you Bamber. You were once a very strong critic of Darrell Clarke. How many games did it take for you to admit your mistake? I'm not saying BG will go on to be as successful as DC. I am suggesting we cut BG some slack and see what he delivers over the next 10 games or so. Do you want a long explanation about Clarke? Let's be clear about this bloke Garner. For about the 20th time, he isn't a manager, he may become one, but we are throwing away our chance of possible promotion to allow him to learn his trade. What is it, 20 years since we found ourselves with an opportunity like this, and we are literally throwing it away. Obviously you are chilled about that, I'm finding it massively frustrating.
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Post by eppinggas on Jan 11, 2020 12:09:47 GMT
Question for you Bamber. You were once a very strong critic of Darrell Clarke. How many games did it take for you to admit your mistake? I'm not saying BG will go on to be as successful as DC. I am suggesting we cut BG some slack and see what he delivers over the next 10 games or so. Do you want a long explanation about Clarke? Let's be clear about this bloke Garner. For about the 20th time, he isn't a manager, he may become one, but we are throwing away our chance of possible promotion to allow him to learn his trade. What is it, 20 years since we found ourselves with an opportunity like this, and we are literally throwing it away. Obviously you are chilled about that, I'm finding it massively frustrating. No Bamber, I don't require a long explanation. I would like a number (games or months) that you can provide that would illustrate how long it took you to concede you were wrong about the appointment of Darrell Clarke as Bristol Rovers manager. In your opinion BG will never be a manager. I respect your opinion. However you were wrong about Darrell. Perhaps, just perhaps, you could be proven wrong again. We were never, ever going to get promoted with this squad given the complete lack of financial backing from our owners this season. IMHO of course. I have a screenshot of us massively over-achieving - 2nd in Div 1 in a real time league table. It's going to be a very very long time before we're at those giddy heights again. Regards, chilled of Epping.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 12:28:26 GMT
Do you want a long explanation about Clarke? Let's be clear about this bloke Garner. For about the 20th time, he isn't a manager, he may become one, but we are throwing away our chance of possible promotion to allow him to learn his trade. What is it, 20 years since we found ourselves with an opportunity like this, and we are literally throwing it away. Obviously you are chilled about that, I'm finding it massively frustrating. No Bamber, I don't require a long explanation. I would like a number (games or months) that you can provide that would illustrate how long it took you to concede you were wrong about the appointment of Darrell Clarke as Bristol Rovers manager. In your opinion BG will never be a manager. I respect your opinion. However you were wrong about Darrell. Perhaps, just perhaps, you could be proven wrong again. We were never, ever going to get promoted with this squad given the complete lack of financial backing from our owners this season. IMHO of course. I have a screenshot of us massively over-achieving - 2nd in Div 1 in a real time league table. It's going to be a very very long time before we're at those giddy heights again. Regards, chilled of Epping. This is where it gets clouded. I've not said that Garner will never be a manager, what I've said is that I think that he's presently a coach and may have a few 'special plays' in his locker, but he's not presently a manager. I've also said that he may well become a manager, I don't know, nobody knows. If you really want to do the Clarke thing all over again then sure, let's do it. But remember, a lot of the comments attributed to me aren't accurate, they come from one person who would applaud a doggy sausage if it had a Rovers shirt on, and he's never got over the fact that I told him that Allen with his ramshackle team of misfits, hoofers and scuffers would win the 5th tier that season. I think we may well have finished in the top 2 had the last manager stayed. Pretty it wasn't, but it sure was effective. There wasn't a single game that I was looking at and was worried about. What would have happened next season goodness only knows, against top 2nd tier teams it would have been a blood bath with this squad.
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Post by mangogas15 on Jan 11, 2020 12:51:13 GMT
FFS doesn't contain an apostrophe in the middle! Just saying! Oh btw....nice post. I thought it did tbh The sake belonging to F***, therefore 's
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Jan 11, 2020 18:41:07 GMT
FFS doesn't contain an apostrophe in the middle! Just saying! Oh btw....nice post. I thought it did tbh The sake belonging to F***, therefore 's Oh yeah! You're right. I take it back. I've learned and learnt something today.
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Post by mangogas15 on Jan 11, 2020 18:54:31 GMT
I thought it did tbh The sake belonging to F***, therefore 's Oh yeah! You're right. I take it back. I've learned and learnt something today. Lol I am sad like that. I did notice Bristol Live reported of the new players on Weds "...while neither of them SHINED....." Honestly, FFS, it's shone surely? 😄
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Post by trymer on Jan 11, 2020 20:19:45 GMT
I feel sorry for Garner,starting a new job and things going so badly wrong he must be wondering how long he has to get things right,he might even think about resigning if his confidence is gone.
From Rovers point of view even if he left tomorrow they still have to find a manager who can take this group of players and get more out of them,ok Coughlan was doing it but there have been injuries since he left. I think that it would have to be the coaches as caretaker managers until the end of the season or bring in some older experienced manager (but who would want the job ?) someone like (but not) John Ward.
I really hope that Garner can sort it out but it wont be easy as he has to get rid of players so that he can bring in people that he wants to play the game his way, oh and there is probably very little money for him either.
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Post by mangogas15 on Jan 11, 2020 21:04:43 GMT
I feel sorry for Garner,starting a new job and things going so badly wrong he must be wondering how long he has to get things right,he might even think about resigning if his confidence is gone. From Rovers point of view even if he left tomorrow they still have to find a manager who can take this group of players and get more out of them,ok Coughlan was doing it but there have been injuries since he left. I think that it would have to be the coaches as caretaker managers until the end of the season or bring in some older experienced manager (but who would want the job ?) someone like (but not) John Ward. I really hope that Garner can sort it out but it wont be easy as he has to get rid of players so that he can bring in people that he wants to play the game his way, oh and there is probably very little money for him either. Well said. It's difficult not to be critical of him and you've given a very balanced and calm view. Let's see where we are end of Feb. I make it 17 pts approx to avoid relegation. Not joking
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Post by bondigas on Jan 11, 2020 23:15:10 GMT
Garner is already a busted flush, lap top coaches think it's a cake walk until they have to face the music themselves. I don't think he will be at the club at the end of February, the man who appointed him is so easily influenced he will give him the heave ho before then just to save his own credibility. Bottling the post match interview today tells all of us everything, he has no guts to face the music but talks a hell of a good game on the phone to the owners. I wouldn't be surprised if he has lost the older members in the dressing room already.
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