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Post by lostinspace on Jan 5, 2020 17:54:34 GMT
When your goalkeeper brings off a fingertip save on 35 seconds you know you are likely to be up against it!! And to pull off another 3 point blank saves thereafter that .. in my mind gives you MOM... the remaining 9 did well - ish, and really now is the time for Nichols to be gone after that insipid displays.... but to be still in the Cup after that is somewhat short of a miracle!! ... the 7000? crowd really!! had their money ‘s worth . as for the replay who knows what we can muster out of that one 🤔
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Jan 5, 2020 18:03:03 GMT
Well played Cam Hargreaves. Not sure about the system, looked like 4 3 3. Nicholls not suited to that, and was very poor. JCH, either injured or not interested! Bennett main contribution, arguing with two of the coaching staff. See no point in having him in the match day squad anymore. Saying that proper cup tie at times, enjoyable. Why no red card for the penalty as was last man? Someone said if it was outside the box a red card would be issued but double indemnity thing.. Totally agree Cam Hargreaves, a good shout....he worked so hard and looked good in support. Not sure where he was meant to be though, perhaps everywhere? His positioning needs more discipline, but a great show today. At times we were 3-4-3. At others, 3-5-1-1.. Confusing..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2020 18:08:53 GMT
It was a good game and we were dangerous on set plays but they were a far better side than us.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2020 18:56:43 GMT
It was a good game and we were dangerous on set plays but they were a far better side than us. No we weren't good at set pieces. Most of them were utter garbage, like the one from the left wing which went about 5 yards over the top of the goal and 5 yards wide. We got 1 right all afternoon, the rest were simple to defend. For once you've called something right. They were miles better than us in every position. Not directed at you, but for anybody who thinks I'm being unfair on Garner saying that he's not fit to take charge of a team at this level, here's just 1 example of something that was wrong today, and despite all of his arm waving, he didn't change it. They identified Nichols as a complete cabbage and wanted him to have the ball, so when our back line had possession they pressed with 3 men on our left side so that we would clear either down the middle, where JCH was isolated and they could mop up his flick ons, or, the ball would go to Nichols, who would stand still until one of their guys wandered over and took it off of him. All that Garner had to do was bring Nichols short to receive the ball then have him quickly spin away into a channel, or keep swapping him left to right and Coventry would have changed what they were doing. I have a LONG list of other mistakes he made during today's game. Just one more quickly, that Garner seemed to miss, they knew before they arrived that our right back is easy to turn and get facing his own goal and off balance. We gave him no help at all, although he got stuck, ball at feet, facing the wrong way maybe 4 or 5 times today. Maybe Garner will learn, but he should be doing that at a lower level, or as an assistant to a real manager.
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Post by laughinggas on Jan 5, 2020 19:04:20 GMT
3 at the back, we had a right back?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2020 19:12:43 GMT
3 at the back, we had a right back? Right sided defender. Happy now. You'll know the guy, he was the one off balance, facing his own goal time after time with nobody showing to get him out of trouble. As you didn't mention the farce that is Nichols, or the way that we allowed them to exploit him, at least I'm glad that we agree on that. Garner has plenty to learn and should pop off to somewhere like Yate for a year or two until he's up to speed with what's going on in front of him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2020 19:24:24 GMT
It was a good game and we were dangerous on set plays but they were a far better side than us. No we weren't good at set pieces. Most of them were utter garbage, like the one from the left wing which went about 5 yards over the top of the goal and 5 yards wide. We got 1 right all afternoon, the rest were simple to defend. For once you've called something right. They were miles better than us in every position. Not directed at you, but for anybody who thinks I'm being unfair on Garner saying that he's not fit to take charge of a team at this level, here's just 1 example of something that was wrong today, and despite all of his arm waving, he didn't change it. They identified Nichols as a complete cabbage and wanted him to have the ball, so when our back line had possession they pressed with 3 men on our left side so that we would clear either down the middle, where JCH was isolated and they could mop up his flick ons, or, the ball would go to Nichols, who would stand still until one of their guys wandered over and took it off of him. All that Garner had to do was bring Nichols short to receive the ball then have him quickly spin away into a channel, or keep swapping him left to right and Coventry would have changed what they were doing. I have a LONG list of other mistakes he made during today's game. Just one more quickly, that Garner seemed to miss, they knew before they arrived that our right back is easy to turn and get facing his own goal and off balance. We gave him no help at all, although he got stuck, ball at feet, facing the wrong way maybe 4 or 5 times today. Maybe Garner will learn, but he should be doing that at a lower level, or as an assistant to a real manager. I thought there were some good set pieces among the poor ones you mentioned. I did not want garner appointed because i would have liked to see how far we could have got without changing things ie just leaving maher and mansell but its too late now. Personally i dont want to see nichols drop any deeper because he loses the ball too easily and too often. Better him lose it far up the pitch for me.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Jan 5, 2020 19:50:20 GMT
Better we play Nichols at left back position.
Left back in the f ing dressing room.
Bambi makes salient points re set pieces, but you can't blame Garner for that, we have been like this for ages.
Slowly, slowly, Bambi....you just never know.. ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2020 19:56:50 GMT
Better we play Nichols at left back position. Left back in the f ing dressing room. Bambi makes salient points re set pieces, but you can't blame Garner for that, we have been like this for ages. Slowly, slowly, Bambi....you just never know.. ? You know me, I would just sack everybody!
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Post by crater on Jan 5, 2020 20:07:41 GMT
Better we play Nichols at left back position. Left back in the f ing dressing room. Bambi makes salient points re set pieces, but you can't blame Garner for that, we have been like this for ages. Slowly, slowly, Bambi....you just never know.. ? You know me, I would just sack everybody! Yep... And you called it wrong with the 2 previous managers so let's hope the trend continues... FFS give the bloke a chance, let's see how we look at the end of the month after he's had some opportunity to reshape his squad and let's see where we are at the end of the season... I think some of our 'supporters' forget at times we're a League 1 club with League 1 players... Just in case you have called it wrong again I think the Y1 or the Y2 will get you to Yate from the centre Bambs
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Jan 5, 2020 20:35:55 GMT
Better we play Nichols at left back position. Left back in the f ing dressing room. Bambi makes salient points re set pieces, but you can't blame Garner for that, we have been like this for ages. Slowly, slowly, Bambi....you just never know.. ? You know me, I would just sack everybody! Nooooooooooo? Really? Hey, don't worry. Be happy. The future's bright. The future's, Gorringe..
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Post by littlestokegas on Jan 5, 2020 21:20:33 GMT
Well played Cam Hargreaves. Not sure about the system, looked like 4 3 3. Nicholls not suited to that, and was very poor. JCH, either injured or not interested! Bennett main contribution, arguing with two of the coaching staff. See no point in having him in the match day squad anymore. Saying that proper cup tie at times, enjoyable. Why no red card for the penalty as was last man? Maybe you are a Bennet hater? I thought he was brilliant compared to the player he replaced on 63 minutes, he got stuck in with some good tackling and managed to pass the ball to blue shirts at times. It looked as thoughwe were playing a championship side today. Roll on Wednesday UTG
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2020 21:20:33 GMT
You know me, I would just sack everybody! Nooooooooooo? Really? Hey, don't worry. Be happy. The future's bright. The future's, Gorringe.. Geez, I feel so much better. A Cockerney wide boy and some dafty bloke who still hasn't grown out of putting daft amounts of gel in his hair and no matter how many times it happens can't order sufficient stock to stop the garden sheds outlets running out of hot food before half time. We're in safe hands.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2020 21:27:22 GMT
Not sure about the system, looked like 4 3 3. At times we were 3-4-3. At others, 3-5-1-1. Confusing. From high in the East Stand (the view from which I enjoyed today) we were 3 5 1. Liam Sercombe was too far back: he should stay in front of midfield as the '1' in a 3 4 1 2, but it was more 3 5 1 today as he was too deep and Nichols played for Coventry.
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Post by bondigas on Jan 5, 2020 22:47:18 GMT
Keeper saved us again today, one day we are going to be tanked ! God forbid Tony Craig gets injured, he holds the entire team together,main stream players will be rested surely against Stevenage on Wednesday, with our kids playing, can't see us beating them
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Post by Peter Parker on Jan 6, 2020 6:29:34 GMT
3 at the back, we had a right back? Right sided defender. Happy now. You'll know the guy, he was the one off balance, facing his own goal time after time with nobody showing to get him out of trouble. As you didn't mention the farce that is Nichols, or the way that we allowed them to exploit him, at least I'm glad that we agree on that. Garner has plenty to learn and should pop off to somewhere like Yate for a year or two until he's up to speed with what's going on in front of him. Not sure why your application wasnt successful with your bag full of league managerial experience
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 12:05:12 GMT
Right sided defender. Happy now. You'll know the guy, he was the one off balance, facing his own goal time after time with nobody showing to get him out of trouble. As you didn't mention the farce that is Nichols, or the way that we allowed them to exploit him, at least I'm glad that we agree on that. Garner has plenty to learn and should pop off to somewhere like Yate for a year or two until he's up to speed with what's going on in front of him. Not sure why your application wasnt successful with your bag full of league managerial experience Instead of the ad hominem, why not explain which part of the couple of bits that I've explained that Garner got wrong you disagree about, we can see if we can reach an agreement on those points, then we can move on to some other things that were wrong with the way he managed the game. Nope, not claiming to be capable of managing a professional football team or to possess the knowledge or skills to do the job, but just like you, I've seen at least as much football in my life as Garner, so do have a basic understanding of what I'm watching, as do most of us on here. You know what you are looking at, you moved on from watching the ball for 90 mins years ago, so surely you saw the things I mentioned yesterday and you also saw how they pulled our midfielders sideways then one of their defenders stepped forward to overload the midfield so that they could play a triangle around our midfielders? Normally midfielders are instructed to give someone a little nudge in the back and give away a foul then argue with the ref that the opponent played to win it, that breaks play up so that you can get your shape back. Did we do that yesterday? I have a list of problems like this from yesterday's game.
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Post by Peter Parker on Jan 6, 2020 12:42:01 GMT
Not sure why your application wasnt successful with your bag full of league managerial experience Instead of the ad hominem, why not explain which part of the couple of bits that I've explained that Garner got wrong you disagree about, we can see if we can reach an agreement on those points, then we can move on to some other things that were wrong with the way he managed the game. Nope, not claiming to be capable of managing a professional football team or to possess the knowledge or skills to do the job, but just like you, I've seen at least as much football in my life as Garner, so do have a basic understanding of what I'm watching, as do most of us on here. You know what you are looking at, you moved on from watching the ball for 90 mins years ago, so surely you saw the things I mentioned yesterday and you also saw how they pulled our midfielders sideways then one of their defenders stepped forward to overload the midfield so that they could play a triangle around our midfielders? Normally midfielders are instructed to give someone a little nudge in the back and give away a foul then argue with the ref that the opponent played to win it, that breaks play up so that you can get your shape back. Did we do that yesterday? I have a list of problems like this from yesterday's game. I don't know what some people want. There were positives and negatives from yesterday much as there has been all season
Some people didn't like a guy with numerous football games under his belt starting out his managerial career and criticised his tactics/substitutions with his limited squad
Some people still want the cartoon manager who has put a 100k of his own money into Grimsby
yourself Bamber seem to have identified all the problems from the terracing and advocate BG go and manage Yate or somewhere where he can learn. If we/you are going to criticise Garner, perhaps we should also criticise the input or lack there of Mansell and Maher who have 1000 games under their belt at various levels
we all have our opinions. There is plenty to work on for sure. We have a bare bones squad running on fumes that (as you would say) is playing with 10 men every week (and yes I will whole heartedly say Nichols was atrocious yesterday) and there are only so many changes that can me made
This team needs a break, to regroup and get some fresh legs into it. BG has been dumped into the middle of it. If we needed a fire fighter to keep us up, then I would agree BG is the wrong man at this time. But we aren't. We had to stick or twist. Continuity Coughlanball under someone which would still have the same problems of lack of legs physically and probably mentally or go a different approach which we have
Lets give the bloke time. We have brought in a young winger, we apparently have another one coming in soon. Lets give Garner some time to make some changes. Maybe we will see some more managerial acumen when he has some options available to him
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 12:43:59 GMT
Instead of the ad hominem... Ad hominem lol.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 13:22:25 GMT
Instead of the ad hominem, why not explain which part of the couple of bits that I've explained that Garner got wrong you disagree about, we can see if we can reach an agreement on those points, then we can move on to some other things that were wrong with the way he managed the game. Nope, not claiming to be capable of managing a professional football team or to possess the knowledge or skills to do the job, but just like you, I've seen at least as much football in my life as Garner, so do have a basic understanding of what I'm watching, as do most of us on here. You know what you are looking at, you moved on from watching the ball for 90 mins years ago, so surely you saw the things I mentioned yesterday and you also saw how they pulled our midfielders sideways then one of their defenders stepped forward to overload the midfield so that they could play a triangle around our midfielders? Normally midfielders are instructed to give someone a little nudge in the back and give away a foul then argue with the ref that the opponent played to win it, that breaks play up so that you can get your shape back. Did we do that yesterday? I have a list of problems like this from yesterday's game. I don't know what some people want. There were positives and negatives from yesterday much as there has been all season
Some people didn't like a guy with numerous football games under his belt starting out his managerial career and criticised his tactics/substitutions with his limited squad
Some people still want the cartoon manager who has put a 100k of his own money into Grimsby
yourself Bamber seem to have identified all the problems from the terracing and advocate BG go and manage Yate or somewhere where he can learn. If we/you are going to criticise Garner, perhaps we should also criticise the input or lack there of Mansell and Maher who have 1000 games under their belt at various levels
we all have our opinions. There is plenty to work on for sure. We have a bare bones squad running on fumes that (as you would say) is playing with 10 men every week (and yes I will whole heartedly say Nichols was atrocious yesterday) and there are only so many changes that can me made
This team needs a break, to regroup and get some fresh legs into it. BG has been dumped into the middle of it. If we needed a fire fighter to keep us up, then I would agree BG is the wrong man at this time. But we aren't. We had to stick or twist. Continuity Coughlanball under someone which would still have the same problems of lack of legs physically and probably mentally or go a different approach which we have
Lets give the bloke time. We have brought in a young winger, we apparently have another one coming in soon. Lets give Garner some time to make some changes. Maybe we will see some more managerial acumen when he has some options available to him
As stated when someone tried to say that we were tired at MKD, they made only 1 change from their previous game, so would have been just as tired, but still had 60% possession and converted that into goal scoring chances. Yes, some people do want Holloway, but don't count me amongst them. Anyway, even if fatigue was this issue, which it's not, that doesn't excuse the specifics of the things that went wrong yesterday. Ref Nichols, again, unless his contract says that he plays at least 60 mins when fit, this is squarely on the manager, even then, did we move him to a different position to see if Coventry were able to adapt what they were doing?
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