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UWE
Dec 1, 2019 10:47:49 GMT
Post by a more piratey game on Dec 1, 2019 10:47:49 GMT
with all the stadium-related discussion recently, I was wondering if anyone now has a clear and lucid view of why UWE failed. Some of my recollections are; - Michael Cunnah arrived and departed smartish, having advised that it wasn't a great plan - I think due to lack of non-matchday income to Rovers (so a bit like the Mem), but I'm not sure
- in spite of the above, the saga went on for a long time. When it did fail, soon after the 'landing lights' (TM) were loudly announced as being on, it seemed a bit of a rush job (which was only partly due to the response to the Browner pre-emption)
- the AQ's seemed to have taken quite a long while to get their heads around what running a football club was about, and were maybe reluctant to crystallise the news
- some say that the UWE got fed up with dealing with the AQ's, although others say that talking with UWE was like dealing with a multi-headed government department where the goalposts were always being moved
so, what really happened between the departure of Mikey C and the end? We were told that it 'wasn't in Rovers' best interests' - which is a politicians answer and told us nothing at all and then, what happened when others tried to revive the deal (prior to the temptation of fruit elsewhere?) |
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UWE
Dec 1, 2019 11:26:46 GMT
Post by a more piratey game on Dec 1, 2019 11:26:46 GMT
I did a little trawl. Some aspects of this were covered back in January.....http://www.gasheads.org/thread/8020/uwe-stadium?page=1
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Dec 1, 2019 12:00:10 GMT
Post by womble on Dec 1, 2019 12:00:10 GMT
It has been rumoured on an architecture forum that UWE are considering disposing of their Fishponds campus in favour of a new build. If this is the case, and I’ve no idea if it is, then it would explain why UWE pulled out of the version 2 deal and decided to keep their unused land.
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Post by fanatical on Dec 1, 2019 12:38:23 GMT
Could it be that DS could not meet the financial test that UWE set?
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UWE
Dec 1, 2019 12:44:54 GMT
Post by a more piratey game on Dec 1, 2019 12:44:54 GMT
Could it be that DS could not meet the financial test that UWE set? that's undoubtedly one bit of it (all that talk of the bond). And maybe the long and the short of it, now that you point it out UWE got wind of the fact that they were being served a load of hot air, and imposed the proof-of-funding requirement fairly late in the day so, the AQs were just spinning it out post-Cunnah, for faute de mieux reasons, but also because until the end they weren't required to show the colour of their money |
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UWE
Dec 1, 2019 17:08:01 GMT
Post by eppinggas on Dec 1, 2019 17:08:01 GMT
AMPG - you want to discuss the failure of UWE v1 or UWE v2? They are two very different animals.
I'll keep my comment to UWE v1. As you say, Michael Cunnah (MC) left some time before the UWE v1 collapse. If I'm wrong on that then I'm sure someone will let me know.
As we know, Dwane Sports could not conclude the deal with UWE post MC. The reasons for that are not in the public domain.
All the speculation is around funding and/or return on investment. But it is all speculation. "Watertight" confidentiality around the contractual negotiations...
Feels like supporters are split between:
1. The cynical who think that this was potentially a great deal for Bristol Rovers FC, but not necessarily a good financial one for Dwane Sports, and
2. The believers who think it was a bad deal for both Bristol Rovers FC and Dwane Sport, and we were right to walk away.
No surprises, I am with the former. But that is just my opinion.
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Post by swissgas on Dec 1, 2019 17:12:20 GMT
Could it be that DS could not meet the financial test that UWE set? that's undoubtedly one bit of it (all that talk of the bond). And maybe the long and the short of it, now that you point it out UWE got wind of the fact that they were being served a load of hot air, and imposed the proof-of-funding requirement fairly late in the day so, the AQs were just spinning it out post-Cunnah, for faute de mieux reasons, but also because until the end they weren't required to show the colour of their money No, I still believe that negotiations broke down because the two parties couldn’t agree about how the men in macs standing outside the ground with clipboards should allocate the match day revenue. “Sausage rolls are £2.60 Rovers and £1.40p UWE, no that’s pasties, the sausage rolls are £2.30 Rovers and £1.20 UWE.” “Oh bugger it, to hell with this, let’s forget about the 40 million pound stadium sh*fest and do up the Mem instead” |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 23:40:23 GMT
The clear and honest answer is nobody on the forum knows.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 0:17:36 GMT
Could it be that DS could not meet the financial test that UWE set? On the evidence available and reading between the lines, this would be my guess. The question I ask is: how do we know they ever had access to the funds to build the UWE to start with? They couldn’t even afford to build a training ground! |
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Dec 2, 2019 12:31:25 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 12:31:25 GMT
It has been rumoured on an architecture forum that UWE are considering disposing of their Fishponds campus in favour of a new build. If this is the case, and I’ve no idea if it is, then it would explain why UWE pulled out of the version 2 deal and decided to keep their unused land. Glenside?
No chance, they've spent millions of developing medical training suites. It'll be there for the next 15 years at least.
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UWE
Dec 2, 2019 13:19:32 GMT
Post by matealotblue on Dec 2, 2019 13:19:32 GMT
It has been rumoured on an architecture forum that UWE are considering disposing of their Fishponds campus in favour of a new build. If this is the case, and I’ve no idea if it is, then it would explain why UWE pulled out of the version 2 deal and decided to keep their unused land. Glenside?
No chance, they've spent millions of developing medical training suites. It'll be there for the next 15 years at least.
That’s pretty much in our time line horizon.....🤪 |
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UWE
Dec 2, 2019 13:36:04 GMT
Post by harrybuckle on Dec 2, 2019 13:36:04 GMT
Suggest you email Steve Hamer to find out the reasons
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UWE
Dec 2, 2019 16:48:08 GMT
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Post by a more piratey game on Dec 2, 2019 16:48:08 GMT
Suggest you email Steve Hamer to find out the reasons Is he not dead to us now? |
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UWE
Dec 2, 2019 17:55:04 GMT
Post by womble on Dec 2, 2019 17:55:04 GMT
It has been rumoured on an architecture forum that UWE are considering disposing of their Fishponds campus in favour of a new build. If this is the case, and I’ve no idea if it is, then it would explain why UWE pulled out of the version 2 deal and decided to keep their unused land. Glenside?
No chance, they've spent millions of developing medical training suites. It'll be there for the next 15 years at least.
As someone on that forum pointed out. Probably has no basis in reality, but an odd one nonetheless. |
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