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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 10:00:39 GMT
I think coughlan has handled the nichols situation as well as he possibly could. Our best striker has been injury prone and we have two young lads on loan. In this situation coughlan needs to keep nichols involved until he can find a better solution. Is he giving his all? Well he had a spell last season when he was aggressive and determined so why is that now missing from his game if he is putting in the effort? In my view the manager will get him off the wage bill ASAP. I agree with all your summary, but as regards the final point - I'm sure he'd like to but how? I know I'm going over old ground but the situation remains the same - we have a player who cost £350K and, it's reasonable to assume, will be on pretty decent wages in alignment with the transfer fee he commanded in 2017. With his feeble goal-scoring record he is hardly likely to attract a club of any stature to take him on loan, and if a smaller club were to show interest in doing so I'm sure they would require us to pay the lions share of his salary. Cancelling his contract by mutual agreement would mean paying him off - no real saving there either. TN is obviously currently earning the most he is ever likely to get in his football career right now and it may be he's decided to simply hang around and cash in until his contract expires. If this is the case there's nothing GC or anyone else can do about it, whatever he may say - it's not his decision to make. By ASAP i mean if the manager gets lucky in january or when nichol's contract ends in the summer.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Nov 26, 2019 10:41:53 GMT
Maybe you’re right about having the right to vent but why do it when all it does is make things worse ? I do understand the frustration but abusing anyone, especially someone who is, no doubt, acutely aware of his shortcomings, is not going to help. I will stick to giving out any negatives, on here and the team & manager will get my full support, on matchdays. But sometimes you have to be realistic There is realistic then there is spiteful. The latter will never bring the best from someone such as TN. He is obviously feeling the pressure as seen when he was sobbing when subbed off and GC basically hugged him, as he came into the dugout. I’d understand it if it were young and callow guys, who were doling out the abuse but it is mostly older guys, around my own age. I certainly would avoid watching from that part of the ground, ever again. It felt like I was at AG !
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Post by sapphire on Nov 26, 2019 10:47:04 GMT
But sometimes you have to be realistic There is realistic then there is spiteful. The latter will never bring the best from someone such as TN. He is obviously feeling the pressure as seen when he was sobbing when subbed off and GC basically hugged him, as he came into the dugout. I’d understand it if it were young and callow guys, who were doling out the abuse but it is mostly older guys, around my own age. I certainly would avoid watching from that part of the ground, ever again. It felt like I was at AG ! I had a stroke early this year and can't get to games, so l haven't seen TN in action. I can only judge on what l read on these forums. I am confused that two decent managers who have given this young man such support can be wrong, yet guys on this board seem to have a superior view. The comments from JCH seem to align with GC and DC. I would suggest we give him the benefit of the doubt! Get off his back and shout for him in true Rover's manner. His team mates seem to be content with his presence in the team, no awkward passes to embarrass him. Let's get on board and get his confidence back.
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Post by mangogas15 on Nov 26, 2019 10:52:34 GMT
There is realistic then there is spiteful. The latter will never bring the best from someone such as TN. He is obviously feeling the pressure as seen when he was sobbing when subbed off and GC basically hugged him, as he came into the dugout. I’d understand it if it were young and callow guys, who were doling out the abuse but it is mostly older guys, around my own age. I certainly would avoid watching from that part of the ground, ever again. It felt like I was at AG ! Agree that's out of order and will never effect the change that is required
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 11:08:44 GMT
But sometimes you have to be realistic There is realistic then there is spiteful. The latter will never bring the best from someone such as TN. He is obviously feeling the pressure as seen when he was sobbing when subbed off and GC basically hugged him, as he came into the dugout. I’d understand it if it were young and callow guys, who were doling out the abuse but it is mostly older guys, around my own age. I certainly would avoid watching from that part of the ground, ever again. It felt like I was at AG ! Well then, he should; Get down the gym so that he isn't the weakest player on the pitch. Get a proper coach to analyse his running style, it's horrible, sort that out and he won't be the slowest player on the pitch. When things get tough 1 type of player hides, the other type just gets more determined. 1 of those types is useful in professional sport, the other is a liability.
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Post by simonj on Nov 26, 2019 12:46:05 GMT
There is realistic then there is spiteful. The latter will never bring the best from someone such as TN. He is obviously feeling the pressure as seen when he was sobbing when subbed off and GC basically hugged him, as he came into the dugout. I’d understand it if it were young and callow guys, who were doling out the abuse but it is mostly older guys, around my own age. I certainly would avoid watching from that part of the ground, ever again. It felt like I was at AG ! I had a stroke early this year and can't get to games, so l haven't seen TN in action. I can only judge on what l read on these forums. I am confused that two decent managers who have given this young man such support can be wrong, yet guys on this board seem to have a superior view. The comments from JCH seem to align with GC and DC. I would suggest we give him the benefit of the doubt! Get off his back and shout for him in true Rover's manner. His team mates seem to be content with his presence in the team, no awkward passes to embarrass him. Let's get on board and get his confidence back. I hope you are on the road to recovery, best wishes on this.
What you say about the managers is fair. I do wonder though if it is also down to the contract TN has ie, is he paid almost at a level where there feels a need to play him. Stats don't lie, such as goals and assists, and watching him I do feel he has been given plenty of opportunity. Keeping him and playing him with little contribution (my personal opinion) doesn't help. We have 'moved on' players with better game stats.
I said before if he comes good and contributes more, I'd be absolutely delighted, but I think my view is he has had more than enough chances. The talk of abuse and the like, I don't agree with or condone. Do I say oh bollox quite a bit, yes. Do I holler and abuse no. Do I believe he needs to move on yes. Paying to get in and support its a given, sometimes frustration is shared by many. Vile abuse etc is unnecessary but in reality this is down to a few only. Many say support regardless of anything, and I just don't agree with this. I wont write another thing about TN, wish him all of the best, hope he gets his football sorted, with us or elsewhere.
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Post by irishrover on Nov 26, 2019 13:14:39 GMT
Football is definitely more of an art than science sometimes - no more so than when/where players do well/struggle.
There were reasons to think that Nichols might do well with us although that £300k price tag seemed pretty hard to justify even at the time but it hasn't worked out. He can join a long list of other players who just didn't click some of whom came with excellent records. Robbie Ryan is the one that really leaps to mind - looked a superb signing on paper but didn't come close to fulfilling potential.
Likewise we've had players who received dogs abuse due to underperformance with us who went on to success elsewhere. I'm friends with a Tranmere fan who raves about what an impact Stefan Payne has had with them. Josh Low was seen as a joke with us but went onto have a successful career. Adam Barrett struggled but became a Southend legend. The list is endless.
It's one of the reasons why I'm loathed to assume underlying character flaws in players. There's just too many variables going on. Stick them in the right team, playing a certain way and with a certain role and the guy who has been completely ineffective can suddenly appear like one of the best players in the squad. I think that team aspect is underrated - in another scenario Nichols might do quite well but clearly not with us.
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Post by TaiwanGas on Nov 26, 2019 13:55:08 GMT
Rovers have given Tom Nichols platinum opportunity week after week, season upon season, with the vast majority of Rovers fans supporting him throughout his time with us, he is a very, very lucky player to have had two Managers that have supported him to such high degree, and in return, at expense, wait patiently for the player to emerge.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 14:29:16 GMT
Tie him up in a sack and chuck him in the nearest river.
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Post by Igitur on Nov 26, 2019 14:39:19 GMT
IF we are to believe the gushing support of TN by J C-H, then TN should be kept to help to keep J C-H should any club come in for him in January - better to play with 10 1/2 players in the team so long as J C-H is one of them.
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Post by dido on Nov 26, 2019 14:44:54 GMT
You may not be as popular as Tommy Nic, irishrover, but I can't believe you are loathed.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 14:46:58 GMT
IF we are to believe the gushing support of TN by J C-H, then TN should be kept to help to keep J C-H should any club come in for him in January - better to play with 10 1/2 players in the team so long as J C-H is one of them. When JCH goes we can do a BOGOF offer.
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Post by Igitur on Nov 26, 2019 14:49:48 GMT
IF we are to believe the gushing support of TN by J C-H, then TN should be kept to help to keep J C-H should any club come in for him in January - better to play with 10 1/2 players in the team so long as J C-H is one of them. When JCH goes we can do a BOGOF offer. If only.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 14:51:05 GMT
Tie him up in a sack and chuck him in the nearest river. All the rivers have dried up Harry, haven't you been listening to that 16 year old who knows everything about everything and flies 1st class around the world or sails on carbon fibre yachts? Or is it that they've burst their banks? I can't keep up with what's going on. Either way, I'm off to glue myself to Nigel Farage.
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 26, 2019 18:12:31 GMT
Rovers have given Tom Nichols platinum opportunity week after week, season upon season, with the vast majority of Rovers fans supporting him throughout his time with us, he is a very, very lucky player to have had two Managers that have supported him to such high degree, and in return, at expense, wait patiently for the player to emerge. Yes Taiwan I agree with that. The only thing I would add is among all those opportunities I’ve seen big, high balls going up to TN more than balls being played into feet or into space (not that he’s very quick). JCH suits our style and didn’t in his other clubs. Payne seems to suit Tranmere so I guess its what suits the club and player and perhaps TN doesn’t. I’ve always thought that getting TN in the first place was foolish if they hadn’t thought about his strengths and didn’t play to them. But whatever the situation is we need a forward who scores a few goals and poor TN has struggled over two and a half seasons. UTG!
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Post by LPGas on Nov 26, 2019 18:44:54 GMT
I wonder if, from January we could get Reilly back and send Nichols to Cheltenham? Then providing his contract really is up in the summer, just say thanks and goodbye. It might be that Cheltenham might be more suited to him. but now we know why Posh fans used to boo him
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 18:51:57 GMT
I wonder if, from January we could get Reilly back and send Nichols to Cheltenham? Then providing his contract really is up in the summer, just say thanks and goodbye. It might be that Cheltenham might be more suited to him. but now we know why Posh fans used to boo him Funny you should say that. Was speaking to a Cheltenham supporter about him. There was a rumour at Whaddon Rd that they tried to get him on loan, but Rovers insisted that they pay all of his wages, so it went no further. That was the rumour anyway.
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Post by TaiwanGas on Nov 27, 2019 9:18:01 GMT
Rovers have given Tom Nichols platinum opportunity week after week, season upon season, with the vast majority of Rovers fans supporting him throughout his time with us, he is a very, very lucky player to have had two Managers that have supported him to such high degree, and in return, at expense, wait patiently for the player to emerge. Yes Taiwan I agree with that. The only thing I would add is among all those opportunities I’ve seen big, high balls going up to TN more than balls being played into feet or into space (not that he’s very quick). JCH suits our style and didn’t in his other clubs. Payne seems to suit Tranmere so I guess its what suits the club and player and perhaps TN doesn’t. I’ve always thought that getting TN in the first place was foolish if they hadn’t thought about his strengths and didn’t play to them. But whatever the situation is we need a forward who scores a few goals and poor TN has struggled over two and a half seasons. UTG! Yes, I agree, it would seem unfortunately TN cannot adapt to our style of play, and after two and a half seasons we are still trying to fit a square peg in a round hole, there is a saying about failing and continually repeating.....I have often watched as TN moves a ball into open space expecting a rovers shirt to be upon it, most times not so, he does appear on a different wavelength to the team in general.
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Post by Peter Parker on Nov 27, 2019 10:24:34 GMT
I wonder if, from January we could get Reilly back and send Nichols to Cheltenham? Then providing his contract really is up in the summer, just say thanks and goodbye. It might be that Cheltenham might be more suited to him. but now we know why Posh fans used to boo him Just had a look to see how Reilly was getting on
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Post by kingswood Polak on Nov 27, 2019 16:17:11 GMT
There is realistic then there is spiteful. The latter will never bring the best from someone such as TN. He is obviously feeling the pressure as seen when he was sobbing when subbed off and GC basically hugged him, as he came into the dugout. I’d understand it if it were young and callow guys, who were doling out the abuse but it is mostly older guys, around my own age. I certainly would avoid watching from that part of the ground, ever again. It felt like I was at AG ! Well then, he should; Get down the gym so that he isn't the weakest player on the pitch. Get a proper coach to analyse his running style, it's horrible, sort that out and he won't be the slowest player on the pitch. When things get tough 1 type of player hides, the other type just gets more determined. 1 of those types is useful in professional sport, the other is a liability. I know it’s presumptive of me but him crying makes me feel he could be having a period of black dog and with both GC & JCH now coming out, to back him, I believe that even more
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