kingswood Polak
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Post by kingswood Polak on Nov 22, 2019 7:23:45 GMT
Yes its so important to be classy,its the Rovers way,as in sacking Brough Fletcher by sticking a note under his door,very classy. Harold Jarman being told that the managers job was his if he kept Rovers up,he did and he was replaced by Terry Cooper. So the qadi aren't really much worse in this instance than previous boards. Hamer has had a very nice well paid number for a few years,now he can retire in comfort with more money than a lot of OAP's who probably worked much harder than him. I prefer to stay "unclassy" and say it how I see it,the present regime at Rovers are like a pack of rats who have now started fighting amongst themselves and have managed to kick the oldest one out of the nest,hopefully a Terrier will turn up and deal with the rest. I had no idea of the others you write about. People have been speculating on him having an high wage but we just don’t know, unless someone can clarify that this was the case. I’d have thought he got a chunk when he brokered the sale from NH to this lot ?
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Post by irenestoyboy on Nov 22, 2019 9:03:12 GMT
How classy was it that he was opposed to GC taking the job (despite the upturn in results) so he could get his mate Cottrell in the door?
How classy was it of Hamer that he was trying to broker the very club which he held a directorship at, to try and regain the executive chairmanship he had lost under the present owners, and be paid at both ends for doing so.
2 wrongs dont make a right but at least do it with 20/20 vision.
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TaiwanGas
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Post by TaiwanGas on Nov 22, 2019 9:45:38 GMT
Yes its so important to be classy,its the Rovers way,as in sacking Brough Fletcher by sticking a note under his door,very classy. Harold Jarman being told that the managers job was his if he kept Rovers up,he did and he was replaced by Terry Cooper. So the qadi aren't really much worse in this instance than previous boards. Hamer has had a very nice well paid number for a few years,now he can retire in comfort with more money than a lot of OAP's who probably worked much harder than him. I prefer to stay "unclassy" and say it how I see it,the present regime at Rovers are like a pack of rats who have now started fighting amongst themselves and have managed to kick the oldest one out of the nest,hopefully a Terrier will turn up and deal with the rest. Can add Dennis Rofe to this list, was treated very poorly.
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simonj
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Post by simonj on Nov 22, 2019 10:23:11 GMT
I want to say the plot thickens, but actually in reality it probably doesn't.
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Post by simonj on Nov 22, 2019 10:26:20 GMT
Utterly disrespectful to make such an announcement in this way. Exactly right Vaughan. There are professional standards in business, regardless of the reason for Steve's departure, civility costs nothing. Anything less doesn't exactly reflect well on Rovers. Maybe, although I have seen things in business that doesn't allow for a civil 'all the best for the future'. Whether something serious has happened who knows, if it has I think the statement is ok to reflect, anything less then the statement is unfair.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 10:55:01 GMT
Exactly right Vaughan. There are professional standards in business, regardless of the reason for Steve's departure, civility costs nothing. Anything less doesn't exactly reflect well on Rovers. Maybe, although I have seen things in business that doesn't allow for a civil 'all the best for the future'. Whether something serious has happened who knows, if it has I think the statement is ok to reflect, anything less then the statement is unfair. I've seen plenty in business that has been sub-optimal behaviour, from employers and employees, but if what appeared on the official site yesterday had landed on my desk for approval prior to publication I would have sent it back and asked the author to consider the dignity of our organisation and come up with something better. It doesn't matter what Steve may or may not have done, that's a different conversation, what we are talking about here is the conduct and public perception of Rovers.
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Post by simonj on Nov 22, 2019 11:45:32 GMT
Maybe, although I have seen things in business that doesn't allow for a civil 'all the best for the future'. Whether something serious has happened who knows, if it has I think the statement is ok to reflect, anything less then the statement is unfair. I've seen plenty in business that has been sub-optimal behaviour, from employers and employees, but if what appeared on the official site yesterday had landed on my desk for approval prior to publication I would have sent it back and asked the author to consider the dignity of our organisation and come up with something better. It doesn't matter what Steve may or may not have done, that's a different conversation, what we are talking about here is the conduct and public perception of Rovers. Sure, unless you wanted the message to portray one of total dissatisfaction. Unfortunately without full facts its easy to say rise above and give out dignity and good will.
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Post by droitwichgas on Nov 22, 2019 12:04:12 GMT
Yes its so important to be classy,its the Rovers way,as in sacking Brough Fletcher by sticking a note under his door,very classy. Harold Jarman being told that the managers job was his if he kept Rovers up,he did and he was replaced by Terry Cooper. So the qadi aren't really much worse in this instance than previous boards. Hamer has had a very nice well paid number for a few years,now he can retire in comfort with more money than a lot of OAP's who probably worked much harder than him. I prefer to stay "unclassy" and say it how I see it,the present regime at Rovers are like a pack of rats who have now started fighting amongst themselves and have managed to kick the oldest one out of the nest,hopefully a Terrier will turn up and deal with the rest. I had no idea of the others you write about. People have been speculating on him having an high wage but we just don’t know, unless someone can clarify that this was the case. I’d have thought he got a chunk when he brokered the sale from NH to this lot ? Pretty sure a Director was shown to be earning £70K in the last accounts, for a company the size of Rovers that does seem particularly high for a Chairman, whether we got value for money is clearly a different matter! I can't see why he would have been entitled to money for brokering the deal.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 12:34:34 GMT
I've seen plenty in business that has been sub-optimal behaviour, from employers and employees, but if what appeared on the official site yesterday had landed on my desk for approval prior to publication I would have sent it back and asked the author to consider the dignity of our organisation and come up with something better. It doesn't matter what Steve may or may not have done, that's a different conversation, what we are talking about here is the conduct and public perception of Rovers. Sure, unless you wanted the message to portray one of total dissatisfaction. Unfortunately without full facts its easy to say rise above and give out dignity and good will.
No, don't go there. If you are that angry, and we all get there, go for a walk and clear your head. We've all had members of staff / workmates do crazy stuff, but it comes and goes, harm to your reputation, especially in an age when people seem to like to 'bank' everything you say for future reference, is much more important.
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Post by vaughan on Nov 22, 2019 12:35:41 GMT
I agree with Bamber.
The fact that someone authorised the publication of this one-liner suggests the quality of individual running the Club.
I listened last night to Adam Tutton and the great work they are doing with the Community Trust. Pride.
I listened to Alfie Kilgour on podcast and wanted to cheer outloud.
Then I see this derisory statement and read the Bristol Post's interpretation of what has been happening and I want to weep.
The upper echelons of this Football Club are YET AGAIN our weakest link. I am like many others when the football is becoming less important to me as the failures are magnified off it.
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Post by irenestoyboy on Nov 22, 2019 13:02:06 GMT
Here is the way I see it.
Say for example Mr Hamer was found to be guilty of some kind of professional misconduct that meant the club had to act, and the conclusion of a disciplinary process meant termination of employment.
Isn't it more of a kindness to Mr Hamer to release the information as the club did and not go into detail? Perhaps there is an appeal process and anything they do say may be used against them? Then there is Mr Hamers reputation to consider.
Without knowing the full facts, to assume the worst about the club is wrong in my view.
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harrybuckle
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Post by harrybuckle on Nov 22, 2019 13:44:44 GMT
I must admit my own personal dealings with Steve Hamer were always handled very professionally. He was supportive of the books we compiled on the History of the Club and the players and was forthcoming with helping with arrangements to promote them and our recently formed Bristol Rovers History Group.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 13:49:28 GMT
The History Group next open meeting is WEDS 11 DECEMBER at the Wellington Pub, Horfield Common 7-9pm all welcome. Our group is planning another History Day on SAT 14 MARCH 2020 before the Ipswich Town match in the Supporters Club Bar at the Mem 1230-230pm. We are combining with the long established Ipswich Town History Group to remember the past matches between both Clubs including the infamous FA Cup match in the snow at Eastville in 1978.The controversial Bobby Gould disallowed goal which changed the history of the Cup. We have invited Bobby and Russell Osman who played for Town that day plus a few other former Rovers players such as Peter Aitken, Phil Bater, Paul Randall and Graham Day. We are also celebrating the career and life of the late Stuart Taylor and hoping to raise money in his memory for Dementia UK. We have already raised over £200 so far. Will Steve Hamer be attending as he's Bristol Rovers History?
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Post by harrybuckle on Nov 22, 2019 13:53:36 GMT
The History Group next open meeting is WEDS 11 DECEMBER at the Wellington Pub, Horfield Common 7-9pm all welcome. Our group is planning another History Day on SAT 14 MARCH 2020 before the Ipswich Town match in the Supporters Club Bar at the Mem 1230-230pm. We are combining with the long established Ipswich Town History Group to remember the past matches between both Clubs including the infamous FA Cup match in the snow at Eastville in 1978.The controversial Bobby Gould disallowed goal which changed the history of the Cup. We have invited Bobby and Russell Osman who played for Town that day plus a few other former Rovers players such as Peter Aitken, Phil Bater, Paul Randall and Graham Day. We are also celebrating the career and life of the late Stuart Taylor and hoping to raise money in his memory for Dementia UK. We have already raised over £200 so far. Will Steve Hamer be attending as he's Bristol Rovers History? You are history in my eyes ..Why not contribute something so we can remember you in 2020.
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Post by irishrover on Nov 22, 2019 14:11:50 GMT
I thought he was Hani's man maybe that was just the usual bollox I don't think I know what the the usual bollox is anymore. I feel like I used to have a very good handle on the usual bollox at Rovers. But then the bollox seemed to become quite unusual and more so as the years have progressed. Now I'm not sure if I can spot the difference between usual bollox, unusual bollox, very specific bollox and surprising absence of bollox. I remain pretty confident that there has been an impressive exponential growth in the total amount and range of bollox though. Shame we can't monetarise it to put the club on a firmer footing really.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 14:15:26 GMT
Is that like a play on words from that liam neeson film "taken"?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 14:16:50 GMT
maybe that was just the usual bollox I don't think I know what the the usual bollox is anymore. I feel like I used to have a very good handle on the usual bollox at Rovers. But then the bollox seemed to become quite unusual and more so as the years have progressed. Now I'm not sure if I can spot the difference between usual bollox, unusual bollox, very specific bollox and surprising absence of bollox. I remain pretty confident that there has been an impressive exponential growth in the total amount and range of bollox though. Shame we can't monetarise it to put the club on a firmer footing really. That's bollox!
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Post by a more piratey game on Nov 22, 2019 14:21:36 GMT
Is that like a play on words from that liam neeson film "taken"? I think LN plays an American in that film, albeit with his original Irish accent? if so, I think it would be 'bollix', as used in Ireland (eg 'ya bollix' meaning you are a bollix), and not bollox as written here
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 14:22:21 GMT
Will Steve Hamer be attending as he's Bristol Rovers History? You are history in my eyes ..Why not contribute something so we can remember you in 2020.
"I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you are looking for praise I can tell you, you wont get any, but what I do have are a very particular set of skills. Skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you ease off the forum and go now that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you, but if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you and I will ban you."-Admin
Ok Mike.
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Post by irishrover on Nov 22, 2019 14:34:28 GMT
Is that like a play on words from that liam neeson film "taken"? Not seen Taken. It was more a case of channelling Grandpa Simpson I think.
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