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Post by kingswood Polak on Nov 22, 2019 12:27:08 GMT
Ah, well you won't know it but you help me out a lot on here. It seems every time there's something I don't understand you ask for an explanation. I only have the radio on in the car these days too, so it's pot luck what I actually catch. (Edit: Just noticed I managed to click the like button instead of quote. Don't suppose it matters though, in the grand scheme of things.) High praise indeed and thank you. My pleasure if I have helped. I have gone past being embarrassed if I don’t know or understand something
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Post by Angas on Nov 22, 2019 13:25:09 GMT
Ah, well you won't know it but you help me out a lot on here. It seems every time there's something I don't understand you ask for an explanation. I only have the radio on in the car these days too, so it's pot luck what I actually catch. (Edit: Just noticed I managed to click the like button instead of quote. Don't suppose it matters though, in the grand scheme of things.) High praise indeed and thank you. My pleasure if I have helped. I have gone past being embarrassed if I don’t know or understand something I'm glad about that - saves me a lot of brain strain
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Post by a more piratey game on Dec 21, 2019 11:03:09 GMT
I think the media may sense that Dwane Sports want to cut their losses, recoup everything they have put in, take a profit on the sale of the land and choose the deal which is best for them and not the one which would be best for Rovers. If this is the case and someone breaks ranks and spills the beans I am afraid most Gasheads will continue their slumber and a few may even cheer Wael on as he ensures we will be perpetually inferior to City. no sign of breaking ranks thus far? DS have an unusual business model for BRFC - they are pumping in cash, albeit secured against the asset. I suppose that is very similar to a bank's approach to lending, but unusual for an owner I would say and the rate of cash injection appears to have slowed I still think that, if conjecture about the limit of cash provision is true, Wael's timeframe for manoeuvre is limited. And I note that the Post reckon people are hopeful of finding a Fruit deal before the end of the year I do wonder what the shape of the club going forward would be though. What income streams from the new premises would allow Rovers to develop differently from the past?
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Post by a more piratey game on Dec 31, 2019 10:26:59 GMT
from Sam Frost and James Piercy at the Post yesterday - they seem to me to know what they are talking about....
Hi Adie, a saga it truly is but, alas, these things take time and Total Produce have been (wisely) playing hardball over their valuation of the site and the land given the potential investment opportunity for the buyer.
There are two perspectives to what’s happening right now; from the consortium’s point of view all is on track and, as we said last week, the expectation is there will be a resolution in the New Year (sorry, that’s a bit vague), and it’s likely - but, of course, not definite - to be a positive one. Christmas has delayed things a little but it’s thought there was an informal meeting between the buyers and a member of the Al-Qadi family before Christmas just as means of a catch-up as to how negotiations over the sale are progressing.
There’s no denying there are some at Rovers who are beginning to feel a little sceptical towards whether or not the Fruit Market project is going to happen as deadlines have been constantly moved back. However, this is a complex process and they still hold exclusivity - something they have fought to retain - so they’re in the box seat and it appears (and I’m adding a little of my own perspective in here) that it’s on course.
Hi Paul/Yate Gas, that is some question and one almost impossible to answer but, heck, I’ll give it a go. I guess there are two trails to follow with this sort of prediction - one with a takeover and one without. And then you can get into the nuance of what kind of takeover, but then we’d be here all day if that was the case. So let’s keep it simple to with Fruit Market takeover and without.
With the Fruit Market takeover, it’s a quite simple path that if the land can be bought in St Philip’s Marsh (see below answers) then the next step is completing the purchase of the club from Dwane Sports. There is a price on the table that is far in excess of what any other parties (Backroom Partners being one of them) have offered so, technically, one the domino falls for the Fruit Market, it should then for the buying of the club. Although it’s slightly muddied by the need for planning permission and, although several meetings have been held with the Mayor’s Office and the council, a formal procedure has to be undertaken which will take time. Then once that is agreed - which is *should* be, given the groundwork and research already undertaken - you’re probably looking at the purchase of the club towards the end of 2020. I stress this is all hypothetical and my take not precisely what *will* happen but obviously is made with some knowledge of the situation.
As an extension of that, within three years you should see some level of investment in the team and within five years (and, my god, this could come back to haunt me) a new stadium for which can be a prime source of revenue for the club and not run out of pasties (unfair dig, probably).
In a world without the above - which is wholly possible - you’re then down the route of potential other takeovers because, ultimately, it’s hard envisaging Dwane Sports owning Bristol Rovers beyond the next couple of years. And that’s not a slight on Wael Al-Qadi, far from it, he remains committed, dedicated and passionate about the club but the reality is, he’s very much on his own in terms of that emotional tie. As a business model, it’s proving too much of a money pit and you only have to look at the accounts and marry that with the state of the Mem and attendance to see it’s not sustainable.
As I’ve previously said, Wael, Hani Al-Qadi and Martyn Starnes have sought to address this with some prudent and sensible financial management in recruitment, via Tommy Widdrington, and use of the academy but it’s not a quick fix and, in reality, is probably just sticking a plaster over the problem. It’s bloody hard running an EFL club - for a variety of reasons - and its especially hard running one with no huge sources of revenue beyond player sales.
In a year, assuming Ben Garner can implement the identity he wants and is sufficiently supported with some of the types of players he wants to improve Rovers, on the field they should be in a good place in 12 months time. Personal opinion, I think promotion is a touch ambitious and anything above 10th can be seen as an excellent season but that’s not to say it shouldn’t be targeted.
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Dec 31, 2019 11:40:49 GMT
They're bankers with an interest in hotels and real estate, why wouldn't they go for it in a massive urban regeneration scheme like that is?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2019 12:09:37 GMT
AMPG.
If the quality of information matches writing ability, Sam Frost and James Piercy know very little. A lot of what's written there literally makes no sense if you try to read it. You can guess at a meaning, but we don't need their help to stick our finger in the wind and guess.
Anyway, I think they have at least 1 critical bit of information incorrect, and that's around the valuation of the site in St Phillips. There's no way that the sort of development planned for that area, with or without an Arena stadium will be held hostage by an inflated valuation of the Fruit Market.
On the plus side. Old Red Trousers hates every second of the possibility of someone else actually making the Arena happen. In general I think that Marvin is hopeless, but in this endeavour I wish him every success.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Dec 31, 2019 13:28:46 GMT
AMPG. If the quality of information matches writing ability, Sam Frost and James Piercy know very little. A lot of what's written there literally makes no sense if you try to read it. You can guess at a meaning, but we don't need their help to stick our finger in the wind and guess. Anyway, I think they have at least 1 critical bit of information incorrect, and that's around the valuation of the site in St Phillips. There's no way that the sort of development planned for that area, with or without an Arena stadium will be held hostage by an inflated valuation of the Fruit Market. On the plus side. Old Red Trousers hates every second of the possibility of someone else actually making the Arena happen. In general I think that Marvin is hopeless, but in this endeavour I wish him every success. Hi BG, Is there any need for the dig at AMPG, really ? I enjoy reading your posts but don’t understand the reasons for you putting people down. I have always seen fellow Rovers fans as a kind if extended family so you could, very easily, have made your point without the dig. Each to their own I know but I just don’t get it
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Post by kingswood Polak on Dec 31, 2019 13:31:57 GMT
from Sam Frost and James Piercy at the Post yesterday - they seem to me to know what they are talking about.... Hi Adie, a saga it truly is but, alas, these things take time and Total Produce have been (wisely) playing hardball over their valuation of the site and the land given the potential investment opportunity for the buyer. There are two perspectives to what’s happening right now; from the consortium’s point of view all is on track and, as we said last week, the expectation is there will be a resolution in the New Year (sorry, that’s a bit vague), and it’s likely - but, of course, not definite - to be a positive one. Christmas has delayed things a little but it’s thought there was an informal meeting between the buyers and a member of the Al-Qadi family before Christmas just as means of a catch-up as to how negotiations over the sale are progressing. There’s no denying there are some at Rovers who are beginning to feel a little sceptical towards whether or not the Fruit Market project is going to happen as deadlines have been constantly moved back. However, this is a complex process and they still hold exclusivity - something they have fought to retain - so they’re in the box seat and it appears (and I’m adding a little of my own perspective in here) that it’s on course. Hi Paul/Yate Gas, that is some question and one almost impossible to answer but, heck, I’ll give it a go. I guess there are two trails to follow with this sort of prediction - one with a takeover and one without. And then you can get into the nuance of what kind of takeover, but then we’d be here all day if that was the case. So let’s keep it simple to with Fruit Market takeover and without. With the Fruit Market takeover, it’s a quite simple path that if the land can be bought in St Philip’s Marsh (see below answers) then the next step is completing the purchase of the club from Dwane Sports. There is a price on the table that is far in excess of what any other parties (Backroom Partners being one of them) have offered so, technically, one the domino falls for the Fruit Market, it should then for the buying of the club. Although it’s slightly muddied by the need for planning permission and, although several meetings have been held with the Mayor’s Office and the council, a formal procedure has to be undertaken which will take time. Then once that is agreed - which is *should* be, given the groundwork and research already undertaken - you’re probably looking at the purchase of the club towards the end of 2020. I stress this is all hypothetical and my take not precisely what *will* happen but obviously is made with some knowledge of the situation.
As an extension of that, within three years you should see some level of investment in the team and within five years (and, my god, this could come back to haunt me) a new stadium for which can be a prime source of revenue for the club and not run out of pasties (unfair dig, probably).
In a world without the above - which is wholly possible - you’re then down the route of potential other takeovers because, ultimately, it’s hard envisaging Dwane Sports owning Bristol Rovers beyond the next couple of years. And that’s not a slight on Wael Al-Qadi, far from it, he remains committed, dedicated and passionate about the club but the reality is, he’s very much on his own in terms of that emotional tie. As a business model, it’s proving too much of a money pit and you only have to look at the accounts and marry that with the state of the Mem and attendance to see it’s not sustainable. As I’ve previously said, Wael, Hani Al-Qadi and Martyn Starnes have sought to address this with some prudent and sensible financial management in recruitment, via Tommy Widdrington, and use of the academy but it’s not a quick fix and, in reality, is probably just sticking a plaster over the problem. It’s bloody hard running an EFL club - for a variety of reasons - and its especially hard running one with no huge sources of revenue beyond player sales. In a year, assuming Ben Garner can implement the identity he wants and is sufficiently supported with some of the types of players he wants to improve Rovers, on the field they should be in a good place in 12 months time. Personal opinion, I think promotion is a touch ambitious and anything above 10th can be seen as an excellent season but that’s not to say it shouldn’t be targeted. I read that yesterday & it seems to be near enough to what I have been told to expect. It seems the media know much more than our president will ever convey to us mere fans.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2019 13:53:30 GMT
AMPG. If the quality of information matches writing ability, Sam Frost and James Piercy know very little. A lot of what's written there literally makes no sense if you try to read it. You can guess at a meaning, but we don't need their help to stick our finger in the wind and guess. Anyway, I think they have at least 1 critical bit of information incorrect, and that's around the valuation of the site in St Phillips. There's no way that the sort of development planned for that area, with or without an Arena stadium will be held hostage by an inflated valuation of the Fruit Market. On the plus side. Old Red Trousers hates every second of the possibility of someone else actually making the Arena happen. In general I think that Marvin is hopeless, but in this endeavour I wish him every success. Hi BG, Is there any need for the dig at AMPG, really ? I enjoy reading your posts but don’t understand the reasons for you putting people down. I have always seen fellow Rovers fans as a kind if extended family so you could, very easily, have made your point without the dig. Each to their own I know but I just don’t get it Sorry KP, go back and read again, all I've done is comment on the quality of the journalism, i.e. the writing by Frost and Piercy, I have no issue with anything here from AMPG. He's just the messenger, it's not his fault that what he was quoting was so poorly written.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Dec 31, 2019 14:02:20 GMT
Hi BG, Is there any need for the dig at AMPG, really ? I enjoy reading your posts but don’t understand the reasons for you putting people down. I have always seen fellow Rovers fans as a kind if extended family so you could, very easily, have made your point without the dig. Each to their own I know but I just don’t get it Sorry KP, go back and read again, all I've done is comment on the quality of the journalism, i.e. the writing by Frost and Piercy, I have no issue with anything here from AMPG. He's just the messenger, it's not his fault that what he was quoting was so poorly written. Ok, I must have read more into it than was intended. My apologies for that
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Post by eppinggas on Dec 31, 2019 21:02:25 GMT
Sorry KP, go back and read again, all I've done is comment on the quality of the journalism, i.e. the writing by Frost and Piercy, I have no issue with anything here from AMPG. He's just the messenger, it's not his fault that what he was quoting was so poorly written. Ok, I must have read more into it than was intended. My apologies for that No need for your apologies KP. Happy New Year - to all Gasheads in our dysfunctional extended family.
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Post by bondigas on Dec 31, 2019 23:25:22 GMT
Got to agree with BG, the quality of Sam Frost and James Piercy journalism is dreadful. They may as well post on the boards as we do with our views, all they have done is pick up tit bits from all and sundry and cobble together hokum pokum. Why don't they ask the active shareholder of Dwane Sports for his 2020 hopes and views
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Post by swissgas on Dec 31, 2019 23:30:50 GMT
AMPG. If the quality of information matches writing ability, Sam Frost and James Piercy know very little. A lot of what's written there literally makes no sense if you try to read it. You can guess at a meaning, but we don't need their help to stick our finger in the wind and guess. Anyway, I think they have at least 1 critical bit of information incorrect, and that's around the valuation of the site in St Phillips. There's no way that the sort of development planned for that area, with or without an Arena stadium will be held hostage by an inflated valuation of the Fruit Market. On the plus side. Old Red Trousers hates every second of the possibility of someone else actually making the Arena happen. In general I think that Marvin is hopeless, but in this endeavour I wish him every success. I agree and think the apparent difficulty in getting Total Produce to sell their land is being misrepresented as the key factor in whether or not Rovers get a stadium there so that company becomes a ready made scapegoat if we don’t. As I posted on the other forum, this journalist is showing incredible naivety in the way he describes what will happen if agreement is unable to be reached with the people behind the Fruit Market plan. He seems to have no doubt the Al Qadi family will stick with Rovers for another couple of years and pump in a further six million or so until another buyer appears out of the blue and pays them all their cash back before moving the club to a new stadium they have built somewhere and investing another few million to keep us in business. But I guess he possesses the same kind of commitment, dedication and passion for journalism as our President has for Rovers. May I wish you all a Fruity New Year.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2020 0:21:42 GMT
AMPG. If the quality of information matches writing ability, Sam Frost and James Piercy know very little. A lot of what's written there literally makes no sense if you try to read it. You can guess at a meaning, but we don't need their help to stick our finger in the wind and guess. Anyway, I think they have at least 1 critical bit of information incorrect, and that's around the valuation of the site in St Phillips. There's no way that the sort of development planned for that area, with or without an Arena stadium will be held hostage by an inflated valuation of the Fruit Market. On the plus side. Old Red Trousers hates every second of the possibility of someone else actually making the Arena happen. In general I think that Marvin is hopeless, but in this endeavour I wish him every success. I agree and think the apparent difficulty in getting Total Produce to sell their land is being misrepresented as the key factor in whether or not Rovers get a stadium there so that company becomes a ready made scapegoat if we don’t. As I posted on the other forum, this journalist is showing incredible naivety in the way he describes what will happen if agreement is unable to be reached with the people behind the Fruit Market plan. He seems to have no doubt the Al Qadi family will stick with Rovers for another couple of years and pump in a further six million or so until another buyer appears out of the blue and pays them all their cash back before moving the club to a new stadium they have built somewhere and investing another few million to keep us in business. But I guess he possesses the same kind of commitment, dedication and passion for journalism as our President has for Rovers. May I wish you all a Fruity New Year. Back to stadium stuff tomorrow, and I suspect we'll still be doing it when the next decade starts Happy and healthy new year to Gasheads everywhere.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jan 1, 2020 12:10:30 GMT
AMPG. If the quality of information matches writing ability, Sam Frost and James Piercy know very little. A lot of what's written there literally makes no sense if you try to read it. You can guess at a meaning, but we don't need their help to stick our finger in the wind and guess. Anyway, I think they have at least 1 critical bit of information incorrect, and that's around the valuation of the site in St Phillips. There's no way that the sort of development planned for that area, with or without an Arena stadium will be held hostage by an inflated valuation of the Fruit Market. On the plus side. Old Red Trousers hates every second of the possibility of someone else actually making the Arena happen. In general I think that Marvin is hopeless, but in this endeavour I wish him every success. I agree and think the apparent difficulty in getting Total Produce to sell their land is being misrepresented as the key factor in whether or not Rovers get a stadium there so that company becomes a ready made scapegoat if we don’t. As I posted on the other forum, this journalist is showing incredible naivety in the way he describes what will happen if agreement is unable to be reached with the people behind the Fruit Market plan. He seems to have no doubt the Al Qadi family will stick with Rovers for another couple of years and pump in a further six million or so until another buyer appears out of the blue and pays them all their cash back before moving the club to a new stadium they have built somewhere and investing another few million to keep us in business. But I guess he possesses the same kind of commitment, dedication and passion for journalism as our President has for Rovers. May I wish you all a Fruity New Year. The one thing that they have either purposely not reported is that there is the compulsory purchase threat. I’m no businessman so I don’t know if the AQ family want to buy it themselves rather than the council ? I will leave that for the businessmen on this forum to maybe shed some light on
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jan 1, 2020 12:14:07 GMT
I agree and think the apparent difficulty in getting Total Produce to sell their land is being misrepresented as the key factor in whether or not Rovers get a stadium there so that company becomes a ready made scapegoat if we don’t. As I posted on the other forum, this journalist is showing incredible naivety in the way he describes what will happen if agreement is unable to be reached with the people behind the Fruit Market plan. He seems to have no doubt the Al Qadi family will stick with Rovers for another couple of years and pump in a further six million or so until another buyer appears out of the blue and pays them all their cash back before moving the club to a new stadium they have built somewhere and investing another few million to keep us in business. But I guess he possesses the same kind of commitment, dedication and passion for journalism as our President has for Rovers. May I wish you all a Fruity New Year. Back to stadium stuff tomorrow, and I suspect we'll still be doing it when the next decade starts Happy and healthy new year to Gasheads everywhere. Wishing you and everyone else on the forum the same. Let’s hope that, comrade May, we could be looking forward to an extended season !
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Post by a more piratey game on Mar 29, 2020 19:48:57 GMT
I think the media may sense that Dwane Sports want to cut their losses, recoup everything they have put in, take a profit on the sale of the land and choose the deal which is best for them and not the one which would be best for Rovers. If this is the case and someone breaks ranks and spills the beans I am afraid most Gasheads will continue their slumber and a few may even cheer Wael on as he ensures we will be perpetually inferior to City. no sign of breaking ranks thus far? DS have an unusual business model for BRFC - they are pumping in cash, albeit secured against the asset. I suppose that is very similar to a bank's approach to lending, but unusual for an owner I would say and the rate of cash injection appears to have slowed I still think that, if conjecture about the limit of cash provision is true, Wael's timeframe for manoeuvre is limited. And I note that the Post reckon people are hopeful of finding a Fruit deal before the end of the year I do wonder what the shape of the club going forward would be though. What income streams from the new premises would allow Rovers to develop differently from the past? Hmmmm..
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Post by kingswood Polak on Mar 30, 2020 11:47:33 GMT
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Post by a more piratey game on Mar 31, 2020 12:21:59 GMT
from Sam Frost and James Piercy at the Post yesterday - they seem to me to know what they are talking about.... Hi Adie, a saga it truly is but, alas, these things take time and Total Produce have been (wisely) playing hardball over their valuation of the site and the land given the potential investment opportunity for the buyer. There are two perspectives to what’s happening right now; from the consortium’s point of view all is on track and, as we said last week, the expectation is there will be a resolution in the New Year (sorry, that’s a bit vague), and it’s likely - but, of course, not definite - to be a positive one. Christmas has delayed things a little but it’s thought there was an informal meeting between the buyers and a member of the Al-Qadi family before Christmas just as means of a catch-up as to how negotiations over the sale are progressing. There’s no denying there are some at Rovers who are beginning to feel a little sceptical towards whether or not the Fruit Market project is going to happen as deadlines have been constantly moved back. However, this is a complex process and they still hold exclusivity - something they have fought to retain - so they’re in the box seat and it appears (and I’m adding a little of my own perspective in here) that it’s on course. Hi Paul/Yate Gas, that is some question and one almost impossible to answer but, heck, I’ll give it a go. I guess there are two trails to follow with this sort of prediction - one with a takeover and one without. And then you can get into the nuance of what kind of takeover, but then we’d be here all day if that was the case. So let’s keep it simple to with Fruit Market takeover and without. With the Fruit Market takeover, it’s a quite simple path that if the land can be bought in St Philip’s Marsh (see below answers) then the next step is completing the purchase of the club from Dwane Sports. There is a price on the table that is far in excess of what any other parties (Backroom Partners being one of them) have offered so, technically, one the domino falls for the Fruit Market, it should then for the buying of the club. Although it’s slightly muddied by the need for planning permission and, although several meetings have been held with the Mayor’s Office and the council, a formal procedure has to be undertaken which will take time. Then once that is agreed - which is *should* be, given the groundwork and research already undertaken - you’re probably looking at the purchase of the club towards the end of 2020. I stress this is all hypothetical and my take not precisely what *will* happen but obviously is made with some knowledge of the situation.
As an extension of that, within three years you should see some level of investment in the team and within five years (and, my god, this could come back to haunt me) a new stadium for which can be a prime source of revenue for the club and not run out of pasties (unfair dig, probably).
In a world without the above - which is wholly possible - you’re then down the route of potential other takeovers because, ultimately, it’s hard envisaging Dwane Sports owning Bristol Rovers beyond the next couple of years. And that’s not a slight on Wael Al-Qadi, far from it, he remains committed, dedicated and passionate about the club but the reality is, he’s very much on his own in terms of that emotional tie. As a business model, it’s proving too much of a money pit and you only have to look at the accounts and marry that with the state of the Mem and attendance to see it’s not sustainable. As I’ve previously said, Wael, Hani Al-Qadi and Martyn Starnes have sought to address this with some prudent and sensible financial management in recruitment, via Tommy Widdrington, and use of the academy but it’s not a quick fix and, in reality, is probably just sticking a plaster over the problem. It’s bloody hard running an EFL club - for a variety of reasons - and its especially hard running one with no huge sources of revenue beyond player sales. In a year, assuming Ben Garner can implement the identity he wants and is sufficiently supported with some of the types of players he wants to improve Rovers, on the field they should be in a good place in 12 months time. Personal opinion, I think promotion is a touch ambitious and anything above 10th can be seen as an excellent season but that’s not to say it shouldn’t be targeted. I wonder what bit of this went awry?
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