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Post by Gregory Stevens on Nov 3, 2019 7:06:45 GMT
I’ve mainly disliked rugby. Partly for its cringeworthy macho stuff like staring out the Hakka (grown men for Christ’s sake), partly due to rugby fans being mainly boring executives sneering at football, and partly due it being a game that requires large amounts of anabolic steroids to play. That is indisputable. Human beings never looked like that before 1960s and protein shakes and slightly better weight machines are not the reason.
Anyway, I watched a few games recently When the WC was on and did find a few things I liked. It can be more flowing than football and pressure lasts a long time - in football, the game is broken up with a throw in or FK more.
Anyhow, it got me thinking. When we lost yesterday, people were sad, sure, but nobody seemed anywhere near as dejected as losing a football WC final. I would be bereaved for days. In rugby, nobody seems to take it as seriously, it’s just a bit of banter.
Football to me is life or death, it hurts when England lose big games. Sure; I’m a football fan, but even the rugby fans I knew were laughing and joking an hour after the result.
I wonder why this is? Why do 2 fairly similar games elicit such a difference in culture and emotional control.
I’m sure some will say “respect”. I’m not sure that’s it. In fact, I dislike the unquestioning obedience of rugby players and fans. That ref had a shocker but nobody, not even commentators say so. It’s a bit sycophantic if you ask me.
Any ideas why the egg shaped game doesn’t eleicit so much partisan or emotional investment? In a way it’s a good thing. No fights or anger. Yet; it feels like some of the passion is removed.
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Post by littlestokegas on Nov 3, 2019 7:44:03 GMT
There is respect for the Ref in Rugby, he has power too, the sin bin yellow card is a great tool. I wish it was more like that in football.
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Nov 3, 2019 7:48:00 GMT
There is respect for the Ref in Rugby, he has power too, the sin bin yellow card is a great tool. I wish it was more like that in football. Agreed with the sin bin. It would be a better deterrent. There are some fouls the player just makes because it’s a yellow card. He knows he has 1 foul a game he can make . Most common is stopping a break by holding a player. Barca were the arch champions of this. Make the foul in your own half stopping the break, rather than a red card in your half.
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Post by mangogas15 on Nov 3, 2019 7:57:17 GMT
There is respect for the Ref in Rugby, he has power too, the sin bin yellow card is a great tool. I wish it was more like that in football. It's been introduced to grass roots kids football this season. Should have been done at the top level first as they're the ones the kids copy. It's only for dissent though, not yellow card offences.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 3, 2019 8:25:08 GMT
Sh*t, snobby up their own a r s e sport. Boring.
Get the ball and kick it into touch. Bit like being at the Mem.
Totally agree with o p. There's not the same rivalry that football portrays, and I think sport thrives on rivalry.
I'm happy I don't understand that culture. Football and cricket all the time here..
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Post by lostinspace on Nov 3, 2019 8:25:34 GMT
I’ve mainly disliked rugby. Partly for its cringeworthy macho stuff like staring out the Hakka (grown men for Christ’s sake), partly due to rugby fans being mainly boring executives sneering at football, and partly due it being a game that requires large amounts of anabolic steroids to play. That is indisputable. Human beings never looked like that before 1960s and protein shakes and slightly better weight machines are not the reason. Anyway, I watched a few games recently When the WC was on and did find a few things I liked. It can be more flowing than football and pressure lasts a long time - in football, the game is broken up with a throw in or FK more. Anyhow, it got me thinking. When we lost yesterday, people were sad, sure, but nobody seemed anywhere near as dejected as losing a football WC final. I would be bereaved for days. In rugby, nobody seems to take it as seriously, it’s just a bit of banter. Football to me is life or death, it hurts when England lose big games. Sure; I’m a football fan, but even the rugby fans I knew were laughing and joking an hour after the result. I wonder why this is? Why do 2 fairly similar games elicit such a difference in culture and emotional control. I’m sure some will say “respect”. I’m not sure that’s it. In fact, I dislike the unquestioning obedience of rugby players and fans. That ref had a shocker but nobody, not even commentators say so. It’s a bit sycophantic if you ask me. Any ideas why the egg shaped game doesn’t eleicit so much partisan or emotional investment? In a way it’s a good thing. No fights or anger. Yet; it feels like some of the passion is removed. need to check out a few items onYT regarding some problems at twickenham this year, Army - Navy game and the "afterbits" .. apparently not just isolated to this year ..... just highlighting that all is not as it seems
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Post by eppinggas on Nov 3, 2019 8:33:22 GMT
I’m sure some will say “respect”. I’m not sure that’s it. In fact, I dislike the unquestioning obedience of rugby players and fans. That ref had a shocker but nobody, not even commentators say so. It’s a bit sycophantic if you ask me. Any ideas why the egg shaped game doesn’t eleicit so much partisan or emotional investment? In a way it’s a good thing. No fights or anger. Yet; it feels like some of the passion is removed. Well I'd agree with that bit anyway. I would also confirm that most people in the pub I watched it in did take defeat remarkably well, very matter of fact. Which I did find pretty weird. Is stormed out in the 78th minute because I'm a spoilt brat. Maybe because I am much more of a football fan I have a lot more "passion". Or should that be I have more of a problem with having a "neanderthal tribal mentality"? Discuss.
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Post by Rex on Nov 3, 2019 9:54:09 GMT
Well firstly, I'll stick up for the ref, he didn't have a shocker at all and much that I love about rugby is the fact that the referees decisions are accepted, the arguing and cheating in football bores me rigid. Funnily enough I was having the rugby/football conversation with a fellow former yesterday at a local rugby match! I had always liked rugby when I was younger, but the attitude towards football and it's fans by some rugby followers put me right off and I gave the game a wide berth for years. I got back into it about 12 years ago through a local side and my son playing for the school and found that, while some of the old snobbery towards football remained, much of it had gone, and most people I knew at my local club liked both sports. I actually prefer rugby as a sport, I rarely watch a football match as a neutral, I just get no interest out of it, but I can watch any rugby match and enjoy it. However, for some reason I cannot explain, you are right. When my rugby team loses- including yesterday in a world cup final- I can forget about the result in minutes, there may be some slight disappointment, but none of the lingering depression I get from football when Rovers or Celtic lose (or even England in the last football world cup) I would even have preferred Rovers to beat Rochdale than England win the world cup yesterday (although it might have been different if I was actually in Japan watching) Weird, but there you go.
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Post by a more piratey game on Nov 3, 2019 10:09:54 GMT
I’m sure some will say “respect”. I’m not sure that’s it. In fact, I dislike the unquestioning obedience of rugby players and fans. That ref had a shocker but nobody, not even commentators say so. It’s a bit sycophantic if you ask me. Any ideas why the egg shaped game doesn’t eleicit so much partisan or emotional investment? In a way it’s a good thing. No fights or anger. Yet; it feels like some of the passion is removed. Well I'd agree with that bit anyway. I would also confirm that most people in the pub I watched it in did take defeat remarkably well, very matter of fact. Which I did find pretty weird. Is stormed out in the 78th minute because I'm a spoilt brat. Maybe because I am much more of a football fan I have a lot more "passion". Or should that be I have more of a problem with having a "neanderthal tribal mentality"? Discuss. Interesting post IMO as it doesn't start from the presumption that any perceived deficiencies are in the sport
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Nov 3, 2019 11:00:19 GMT
I’m sure some will say “respect”. I’m not sure that’s it. In fact, I dislike the unquestioning obedience of rugby players and fans. That ref had a shocker but nobody, not even commentators say so. It’s a bit sycophantic if you ask me. Any ideas why the egg shaped game doesn’t eleicit so much partisan or emotional investment? In a way it’s a good thing. No fights or anger. Yet; it feels like some of the passion is removed. Well I'd agree with that bit anyway. I would also confirm that most people in the pub I watched it in did take defeat remarkably well, very matter of fact. Which I did find pretty weird. Is stormed out in the 78th minute because I'm a spoilt brat. Maybe because I am much more of a football fan I have a lot more "passion". Or should that be I have more of a problem with having a "neanderthal tribal mentality"? Discuss. It is. Football is inherently tribal. Get this: I know a few rugger fans who DO like football and they all watch champions league and kind of sneer at lower leagues. “Oh, you don’t watch THAT do you?! I watch quality football” I think a lot of this is kind of class based. Rugby in England is very much middle class and it’s a middle class attitude to value achievement and excellence and outshining others. Working class values are more about loyalty and backing up the group. Having worked on sites, and currently in a white collar career, it’s undoubtedly more ruthless in white collar work. Not in the same way, but WC folks have more of a sense of fair play and not selling out your colleagues. The opposite is true in white collar - it’s seen as “getting on” and “of course, you want the best for you and yours” type thing. I think this plays out between the sports. Football is about loyalty and pride and the group. Rugby is more about a day out for the family, a chat about your holidays and double garage being built and above all, not losing face by showing ones disappointment. This is reflected in the generally snobbish attitude towards football. Probably over analysing. I know tons of great rugby fans but none who have a passion for a local team. It’s more about the event than the deep seated fanatical pride in ones team. In fact, it’s so true the “game played by hooligans watched by gentleman”. Such is life. The wealthy organising the hooligans into a pitcher battle for the pride of the better-offs. Much like much of history. And this is coming from a true blue tory 😆 I also think rugby is very much an outlet for better heeled folks who couldn’t express their base instincts as children and adults and have a strong social veneer to uphold. It’s natural to want to watch a more violent sport. For men from fairly violent places, entertainment is about watching refinement. In a physical job, I wanted to get home and watch tv and read. Now in a white collar job, i want to exercise and go to the gym for relaxation. It’s a funny old world
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Post by Rex on Nov 3, 2019 13:48:32 GMT
Well I'd agree with that bit anyway. I would also confirm that most people in the pub I watched it in did take defeat remarkably well, very matter of fact. Which I did find pretty weird. Is stormed out in the 78th minute because I'm a spoilt brat. Maybe because I am much more of a football fan I have a lot more "passion". Or should that be I have more of a problem with having a "neanderthal tribal mentality"? Discuss. It is. Football is inherently tribal. Get this: I know a few rugger fans who DO like football and they all watch champions league and kind of sneer at lower leagues. “Oh, you don’t watch THAT do you?! I watch quality football” I think a lot of this is kind of class based. Rugby in England is very much middle class and it’s a middle class attitude to value achievement and excellence and outshining others. Working class values are more about loyalty and backing up the group. Having worked on sites, and currently in a white collar career, it’s undoubtedly more ruthless in white collar work. Not in the same way, but WC folks have more of a sense of fair play and not selling out your colleagues. The opposite is true in white collar - it’s seen as “getting on” and “of course, you want the best for you and yours” type thing. I think this plays out between the sports. Football is about loyalty and pride and the group. Rugby is more about a day out for the family, a chat about your holidays and double garage being built and above all, not losing face by showing ones disappointment. This is reflected in the generally snobbish attitude towards football. Probably over analysing. I know tons of great rugby fans but none who have a passion for a local team. It’s more about the event than the deep seated fanatical pride in ones team. In fact, it’s so true the “game played by hooligans watched by gentleman”. Such is life. The wealthy organising the hooligans into a pitcher battle for the pride of the better-offs. Much like much of history. And this is coming from a true blue tory 😆 I also think rugby is very much an outlet for better heeled folks who couldn’t express their base instincts as children and adults and have a strong social veneer to uphold. It’s natural to want to watch a more violent sport. For men from fairly violent places, entertainment is about watching refinement. In a physical job, I wanted to get home and watch tv and read. Now in a white collar job, i want to exercise and go to the gym for relaxation. It’s a funny old world While I would agree that there are many middle class people who seem to like rugby because it's 'the thing to do', to call it a middle class sport is way off the mark. I was at Dings v Old Reds yesterday and the crowd was as mixed as any football match. Take a visit to Avonmouth, Southmead, Whitehall, B***** Hill OB and countless others and see if you still think it's a middle class sport and as for the forest and Gloucester area, well that's another world altogether!
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Post by kingswood Polak on Nov 3, 2019 14:54:46 GMT
I’ve mainly disliked rugby. Partly for its cringeworthy macho stuff like staring out the Hakka (grown men for Christ’s sake), partly due to rugby fans being mainly boring executives sneering at football, and partly due it being a game that requires large amounts of anabolic steroids to play. That is indisputable. Human beings never looked like that before 1960s and protein shakes and slightly better weight machines are not the reason. Anyway, I watched a few games recently When the WC was on and did find a few things I liked. It can be more flowing than football and pressure lasts a long time - in football, the game is broken up with a throw in or FK more. Anyhow, it got me thinking. When we lost yesterday, people were sad, sure, but nobody seemed anywhere near as dejected as losing a football WC final. I would be bereaved for days. In rugby, nobody seems to take it as seriously, it’s just a bit of banter. Football to me is life or death, it hurts when England lose big games. Sure; I’m a football fan, but even the rugby fans I knew were laughing and joking an hour after the result. I wonder why this is? Why do 2 fairly similar games elicit such a difference in culture and emotional control. I’m sure some will say “respect”. I’m not sure that’s it. In fact, I dislike the unquestioning obedience of rugby players and fans. That ref had a shocker but nobody, not even commentators say so. It’s a bit sycophantic if you ask me. Any ideas why the egg shaped game doesn’t eleicit so much partisan or emotional investment? In a way it’s a good thing. No fights or anger. Yet; it feels like some of the passion is removed. Rugby players get tested regularly, for PED’s. The game has changed a great deal from the days of old, where players would regularly have a few pints before playing. They are all athletes now and the fitness and strength training is tough. Any player caught with drugs in them will serve a long ban if not a lifetime ban. It wasn’t that long ago that a Bath player was found to have cocaine in his system and was banned. He was from the local area too. I think rugby fans don’t dwell on things as much because it is a totally different mindset than football. Have you ever been to watch Rugby ? It’s great to be able to mix with away fans, have a drink while watching and have no trouble at all.
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Nov 3, 2019 15:50:52 GMT
I’ve mainly disliked rugby. Partly for its cringeworthy macho stuff like staring out the Hakka (grown men for Christ’s sake), partly due to rugby fans being mainly boring executives sneering at football, and partly due it being a game that requires large amounts of anabolic steroids to play. That is indisputable. Human beings never looked like that before 1960s and protein shakes and slightly better weight machines are not the reason. Anyway, I watched a few games recently When the WC was on and did find a few things I liked. It can be more flowing than football and pressure lasts a long time - in football, the game is broken up with a throw in or FK more. Anyhow, it got me thinking. When we lost yesterday, people were sad, sure, but nobody seemed anywhere near as dejected as losing a football WC final. I would be bereaved for days. In rugby, nobody seems to take it as seriously, it’s just a bit of banter. Football to me is life or death, it hurts when England lose big games. Sure; I’m a football fan, but even the rugby fans I knew were laughing and joking an hour after the result. I wonder why this is? Why do 2 fairly similar games elicit such a difference in culture and emotional control. I’m sure some will say “respect”. I’m not sure that’s it. In fact, I dislike the unquestioning obedience of rugby players and fans. That ref had a shocker but nobody, not even commentators say so. It’s a bit sycophantic if you ask me. Any ideas why the egg shaped game doesn’t eleicit so much partisan or emotional investment? In a way it’s a good thing. No fights or anger. Yet; it feels like some of the passion is removed. Rugby players get tested regularly, for PED’s. The game has changed a great deal from the days of old, where players would regularly have a few pints before playing. They are all athletes now and the fitness and strength training is tough. Any player caught with drugs in them will serve a long ban if not a lifetime ban. It wasn’t that long ago that a Bath player was found to have cocaine in his system and was banned. He was from the local area too. I think rugby fans don’t dwell on things as much because it is a totally different mindset than football. Have you ever been to watch Rugby ? It’s great to be able to mix with away fans, have a drink while watching and have no trouble at all. I have a lot of experience with bodybuilders/weightlifting. A 12 week cycle of test and other androgens will put roughly 20 lb of muscle on, and then when cycling down with PCT and HCG you’ll keep about half when off roofs. Do this for a year or two in late teens and you build a frame which endures. It’s a common misconception that you lose it all when you cycle off. I can spot a guy who’s done a couple of cycles in his life. The other thing is HGH. This is naturally occurring and you can’t test for it. It makes your internal organs, hands and feet grow. Eugene sandlow is amongst the best natural genetics of all time www.google.co.uk/search?q=eugen+sandow&client=safari&hl=en-gb&prmd=ivsn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjF-f2vsc7lAhWUEMAKHUxfBdAQ_AUoAXoECA8QAQ&biw=375&bih=635&dpr=2That’s about as good as it gets without juice. A lot of those players have more mass than that. Steroids are endemic. People have forgotten what a big bloke used to look like versus today. A hell of a lot of regular people do it, and there is absolutely no chance in hell 90% of rugby pros aren’t using, or have used. Watch a game from before it went pro. They look like children compared to today. The common cover story is its diet and exercise improvements. That’s complete horse s***. Nobody can look like they do from diet and exercise. Nearly all male films starts use, Stallone used. Winstrol being very popular to create a chiseled physique. Lots of other sports use deca, it’s amazing for joint trouble. I think wasim Akram and others used deca. Cycling was legit, wasn’t it, before we found out. Anyone with a bit of gym experience can see on some players the blatant juicing or former juicing. Very, very hard to get that big without being extremely fat as well. To be that big, and lean, you need juice or HGH. Here is rugby in the 80s. www.toffs.com/media/catalog/category/EnglandRugby.jpgAnd now i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/11/02/11/20510066-0-image-a-8_1572694351249.jpgQuite a difference, and it isn’t whey protein
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Post by toteend3 on Nov 3, 2019 19:57:09 GMT
I’ve mainly disliked rugby. Partly for its cringeworthy macho stuff like staring out the Hakka (grown men for Christ’s sake), partly due to rugby fans being mainly boring executives sneering at football, and partly due it being a game that requires large amounts of anabolic steroids to play. That is indisputable. Human beings never looked like that before 1960s and protein shakes and slightly better weight machines are not the reason. Anyway, I watched a few games recently When the WC was on and did find a few things I liked. It can be more flowing than football and pressure lasts a long time - in football, the game is broken up with a throw in or FK more. Anyhow, it got me thinking. When we lost yesterday, people were sad, sure, but nobody seemed anywhere near as dejected as losing a football WC final. I would be bereaved for days. In rugby, nobody seems to take it as seriously, it’s just a bit of banter. Football to me is life or death, it hurts when England lose big games. Sure; I’m a football fan, but even the rugby fans I knew were laughing and joking an hour after the result. I wonder why this is? Why do 2 fairly similar games elicit such a difference in culture and emotional control. I’m sure some will say “respect”. I’m not sure that’s it. In fact, I dislike the unquestioning obedience of rugby players and fans. That ref had a shocker but nobody, not even commentators say so. It’s a bit sycophantic if you ask me. Any ideas why the egg shaped game doesn’t eleicit so much partisan or emotional investment? In a way it’s a good thing. No fights or anger. Yet; it feels like some of the passion is removed. Ive never really got into Lugby, to play i guess may be exciting, but to watch is so utterly boring, and it comes with no life escape mechanism. In other words, I find having a little 'hate' in my sport helps me cope with the 's**tfest' life throws at you from time to time. Unlike a lot of things in life, which after much repetition ( including sex) become 'samey' Not so, with football, when that ball hits the back of the net no matter how many times it happened before, the 'buzz' is still as electrifing, so for me its a no brainer! UTG
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Nov 3, 2019 21:24:08 GMT
It is. Football is inherently tribal. Get this: I know a few rugger fans who DO like football and they all watch champions league and kind of sneer at lower leagues. “Oh, you don’t watch THAT do you?! I watch quality football” I think a lot of this is kind of class based. Rugby in England is very much middle class and it’s a middle class attitude to value achievement and excellence and outshining others. Working class values are more about loyalty and backing up the group. Having worked on sites, and currently in a white collar career, it’s undoubtedly more ruthless in white collar work. Not in the same way, but WC folks have more of a sense of fair play and not selling out your colleagues. The opposite is true in white collar - it’s seen as “getting on” and “of course, you want the best for you and yours” type thing. I think this plays out between the sports. Football is about loyalty and pride and the group. Rugby is more about a day out for the family, a chat about your holidays and double garage being built and above all, not losing face by showing ones disappointment. This is reflected in the generally snobbish attitude towards football. Probably over analysing. I know tons of great rugby fans but none who have a passion for a local team. It’s more about the event than the deep seated fanatical pride in ones team. In fact, it’s so true the “game played by hooligans watched by gentleman”. Such is life. The wealthy organising the hooligans into a pitcher battle for the pride of the better-offs. Much like much of history. And this is coming from a true blue tory 😆 I also think rugby is very much an outlet for better heeled folks who couldn’t express their base instincts as children and adults and have a strong social veneer to uphold. It’s natural to want to watch a more violent sport. For men from fairly violent places, entertainment is about watching refinement. In a physical job, I wanted to get home and watch tv and read. Now in a white collar job, i want to exercise and go to the gym for relaxation. It’s a funny old world While I would agree that there are many middle class people who seem to like rugby because it's 'the thing to do', to call it a middle class sport is way off the mark. I was at Dings v Old Reds yesterday and the crowd was as mixed as any football match. Take a visit to Avonmouth, Southmead, Whitehall, B***** Hill OB and countless others and see if you still think it's a middle class sport and as for the forest and Gloucester area, well that's another world altogether! Yeah and in wales it’s the opposite. Rugby is more WC and football more middle class, or always was. When I was at the pub on Saturday, it was all well to do students. I heard the accents. No (what others would term) chavs. One guy said “for fvcks sake” and then said loudly “sorry guys”. That’s the difference! If anything, I think football is a little too uncouth and rugby is a bit up it’s own backside. If only the two could find a happy medium.
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Post by Igitur on Nov 4, 2019 9:16:54 GMT
Most of the people in the pubs watching the RWC final are like the 20 or so thousand we take to Wembley, they are not regular rugby supporters but want to be part of the reflected glory of winning (made more likely by turning over the All Blacks) and making a day of it by getting on the beer at 8.30. The interests of these people soon turn to something else after a defeat as it meant little to them in the first place.
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Post by Angas on Nov 4, 2019 11:40:39 GMT
But is there anything wrong with wanting to be part of something uplifting in this world of gloom, doom and despair? I couldn't care less about the rugby but it was good to have some happy people around for the little while things were going well.
We moan about the 'day outers' turning up to our Wembley matches, but why shouldn't they so long as they're not taking tickets from regulars. We all need something to look forward to and lord knows there's little enough these days. Grab it while you can I say.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Nov 4, 2019 12:55:59 GMT
Rugby players get tested regularly, for PED’s. The game has changed a great deal from the days of old, where players would regularly have a few pints before playing. They are all athletes now and the fitness and strength training is tough. Any player caught with drugs in them will serve a long ban if not a lifetime ban. It wasn’t that long ago that a Bath player was found to have cocaine in his system and was banned. He was from the local area too. I think rugby fans don’t dwell on things as much because it is a totally different mindset than football. Have you ever been to watch Rugby ? It’s great to be able to mix with away fans, have a drink while watching and have no trouble at all. I have a lot of experience with bodybuilders/weightlifting. A 12 week cycle of test and other androgens will put roughly 20 lb of muscle on, and then when cycling down with PCT and HCG you’ll keep about half when off roofs. Do this for a year or two in late teens and you build a frame which endures. It’s a common misconception that you lose it all when you cycle off. I can spot a guy who’s done a couple of cycles in his life. The other thing is HGH. This is naturally occurring and you can’t test for it. It makes your internal organs, hands and feet grow. Eugene sandlow is amongst the best natural genetics of all time www.google.co.uk/search?q=eugen+sandow&client=safari&hl=en-gb&prmd=ivsn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjF-f2vsc7lAhWUEMAKHUxfBdAQ_AUoAXoECA8QAQ&biw=375&bih=635&dpr=2That’s about as good as it gets without juice. A lot of those players have more mass than that. Steroids are endemic. People have forgotten what a big bloke used to look like versus today. A hell of a lot of regular people do it, and there is absolutely no chance in hell 90% of rugby pros aren’t using, or have used. Watch a game from before it went pro. They look like children compared to today. The common cover story is its diet and exercise improvements. That’s complete horse s***. Nobody can look like they do from diet and exercise. Nearly all male films starts use, Stallone used. Winstrol being very popular to create a chiseled physique. Lots of other sports use deca, it’s amazing for joint trouble. I think wasim Akram and others used deca. Cycling was legit, wasn’t it, before we found out. Anyone with a bit of gym experience can see on some players the blatant juicing or former juicing. Very, very hard to get that big without being extremely fat as well. To be that big, and lean, you need juice or HGH. Here is rugby in the 80s. www.toffs.com/media/catalog/category/EnglandRugby.jpgAnd now i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/11/02/11/20510066-0-image-a-8_1572694351249.jpgQuite a difference, and it isn’t whey protein Hi Gregory, I used to workout 6 days a week under the tutelage of the amazing Amir Esmaeli. I also have a wealth of experience in the steroid market. The thing is that players are regularly and randomly tested. I agree that use if it then stopping, will still show benefits but I think that your comparison to 80’s is not good as it really is so very different and players are all true athletes now. I can’t say that it doesn’t go on completely but I think you underestimate that training and lifestyle differences that players have now. The penalties are very harsh too. I will just say that I’d be very surprised if it did go on as it is potentially career ending. I actually have to have testosterone injections every 8 weeks as my pituitary gland is flat instead of walnut shaped and it’s called empty sella syndrome. I have sustanon here just incase I can’t source the nebido brand the NHS prescribes but is getting difficult for pharmacies to get. Anyway, sorry for going off in a tangent. I am fairly confident that Rugby is mostly clean but, as I’ve always said, I am often wrong
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Post by Igitur on Nov 4, 2019 13:14:45 GMT
But is there anything wrong with wanting to be part of something uplifting in this world of gloom, doom and despair? I couldn't care less about the rugby but it was good to have some happy people around for the little while things were going well. We moan about the 'day outers' turning up to our Wembley matches, but why shouldn't they so long as they're not taking tickets from regulars. We all need something to look forward to and lord knows there's little enough these days. Grab it while you can I say. Fine, no problem with this, I didn't really say it was wrong. I was just saying a fair number of the people watching the game had no history or even interest in rugby which is why there was no anguish at the end of the game. Regular rugby watchers would appreciate that England were beaten by a [much] better side and recognise the quality rugby they played without having resort to handbags.
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Angas
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Post by Angas on Nov 4, 2019 13:35:47 GMT
No you didn't. And I didn't mean to imply that you did, but it probably came out that way so apologies. Re the handbags - that I think is the key difference. Rugby supporters seem to accept defeat quite philosophically. My brother's a big rugby fan and for him it's about whether it's a good game or not, rather than the result. I find that strange.
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