basel
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Post by basel on Sept 9, 2019 17:05:50 GMT
He's been quiet lately,or at least I've not heard him in a while. Is he still at Rovers?
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 9, 2019 18:11:58 GMT
Unfortunately, as I understand it, yes.
I think his role has been mutually reduced. One day a week and match days.
For me it's still too much, but that's the way it is.
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bloogas
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Post by bloogas on Sept 9, 2019 18:51:41 GMT
I'd been wondering as well.
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simonj
Archie Stevens
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Post by simonj on Sept 11, 2019 8:14:17 GMT
Communication from on high remains crap. Tom is doing a decent day to day thing, but the running of our club is becoming more bewildering by the day. We had such momentum recently, its taken some mighty mishandling to bring the level of misery everyone seems to be feeling. Our previous owners did many things wrong, and I don't long for that, but at least it felt that they loved the club as well.
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kingswood Polak
Without music life would be a mistake
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 11, 2019 9:02:16 GMT
Communication from on high remains crap. Tom is doing a decent day to day thing, but the running of our club is becoming more bewildering by the day. We had such momentum recently, its taken some mighty mishandling to bring the level of misery everyone seems to be feeling. Our previous owners did many things wrong, and I don't long for that, but at least it felt that they loved the club as well. Totally agree with this. The rot had set in under the previous board but because then never had the money to progress thing but we have managed to get new owners who just never made anything of the best momentum I have witnessed in decades. We had a golden opportunity to push on but never bothered to use it & invest into the team and the amount of people turning up for games, reflects that.
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simonj
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Post by simonj on Sept 11, 2019 10:18:21 GMT
Communication from on high remains crap. Tom is doing a decent day to day thing, but the running of our club is becoming more bewildering by the day. We had such momentum recently, its taken some mighty mishandling to bring the level of misery everyone seems to be feeling. Our previous owners did many things wrong, and I don't long for that, but at least it felt that they loved the club as well. Totally agree with this. The rot had set in under the previous board but because then never had the money to progress thing but we have managed to get new owners who just never made anything of the best momentum I have witnessed in decades. We had a golden opportunity to push on but never bothered to use it & invest into the team and the amount of people turning up for games, reflects that. We have been left with further disappointment's and it seems we survive on thin threads of rumour to bring us some hope. News which isn't what you may want can be handled if the full story is told, but the snippets of nonsense I always fall for it. Waels comments the other day, I am sorry, I just cant see it, even though I blindly want to believe it.
Its so difficult with football. The balance of self sustaining and ambition is impossible without speculative investment. Whatever has been achieved by the other lot demonstrates this, and most days I think about this.
I've said before a revamped 18,000-20,000 at the mem will do me just fine. With 12k-13k enjoying Div 1, the odd promotion to the Championship. I know its been our level, and where's my ambition, frankly I'm mid 50's and its what I get being a rovers fan. Since the mid 70's with 4 sides of Eastville, well attended, its better than anything else I have experienced, and that's now 40 years ago (eff me). Not decrying the few good periods at Twerton etc. Not many other football clubs have gone through what we have to merely survive. Owners that care but don't have a penny (I could do that), those that have some money and care but unfortunately not quite skilled enough to achieve, and worst of all those that seem to have money but decided they made a mistake with the 'industry' not being for them.
We can survive and maybe thrive in a revamped Mem, spending on the team only based on what we earn from match days, and events from the space being provided. A bit of imagination, a bit of reigning in on what level we want to play and a stadium that justifies the fans attending and spending £20+ per game. Our facilities are dreadful and whilst I don't need a seat yet, I expect its closer to being needed than my first game at Twerton!
Sorry for the rant, I'm pi$$ed off.
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Post by Colyton Gas. on Sept 11, 2019 11:48:13 GMT
Up here Wolves are celebrating 130 years at Molinuex.Pics of the stadium transformation over the years makes impressive viewing and with a planned extra tier it is painful.Steve Hamer posed with sponsors of the tent between the West and South Stands at the Mem once,'Proudly announcing Sponsorship of the stand 'which of course isn't a stand at all ,it's a tent..Excruciating stuff.Have to accept that we are so far behind now with only political waffle as a communication once a year from the Owner. Hamer told us we'd be using the Colony by last May and when he began that 'Financing UWE wasn't a problem'. Our club is floundering.Not sure what the answer is but won't be going to Lincoln.People said how well we played at Burton which simply shows how far we have fallen behind the required standards.Played OK but Huff and Puff with little real quality.Feeling disenchanted somewhat.
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Post by canberragas69 on Sept 11, 2019 12:53:57 GMT
We did play well at Burton - better than I have seen us play for a while. Burton were very lucky to get anything out of that game, let alone a win. The problem is that GC didn't learn from that game. We got on top when we pressed all over the pitch. We would all like better players, but I can only see that happening if we get serious money for J C-H, and of course we would lose his goals! I think we will be solidly mid-table if we can consistently play like we did for all but the first 15 minutes of the Burton match. However, I would also play one of the youngsters in midfield instead of Clarke.
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kingswood Polak
Without music life would be a mistake
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 11, 2019 13:40:55 GMT
Totally agree with this. The rot had set in under the previous board but because then never had the money to progress thing but we have managed to get new owners who just never made anything of the best momentum I have witnessed in decades. We had a golden opportunity to push on but never bothered to use it & invest into the team and the amount of people turning up for games, reflects that. We have been left with further disappointment's and it seems we survive on thin threads of rumour to bring us some hope. News which isn't what you may want can be handled if the full story is told, but the snippets of nonsense I always fall for it. Waels comments the other day, I am sorry, I just cant see it, even though I blindly want to believe it.
Its so difficult with football. The balance of self sustaining and ambition is impossible without speculative investment. Whatever has been achieved by the other lot demonstrates this, and most days I think about this.
I've said before a revamped 18,000-20,000 at the mem will do me just fine. With 12k-13k enjoying Div 1, the odd promotion to the Championship. I know its been our level, and where's my ambition, frankly I'm mid 50's and its what I get being a rovers fan. Since the mid 70's with 4 sides of Eastville, well attended, its better than anything else I have experienced, and that's now 40 years ago (eff me). Not decrying the few good periods at Twerton etc. Not many other football clubs have gone through what we have to merely survive. Owners that care but don't have a penny (I could do that), those that have some money and care but unfortunately not quite skilled enough to achieve, and worst of all those that seem to have money but decided they made a mistake with the 'industry' not being for them.
We can survive and maybe thrive in a revamped Mem, spending on the team only based on what we earn from match days, and events from the space being provided. A bit of imagination, a bit of reigning in on what level we want to play and a stadium that justifies the fans attending and spending £20+ per game. Our facilities are dreadful and whilst I don't need a seat yet, I expect its closer to being needed than my first game at Twerton!
Sorry for the rant, I'm pi$$ed off.
But we have been told a revamped mem is a definite no go. At least we owned it before the equity has been sucked from it. We can only dream of a new place and where we will be tenants. The mem will go to the highest bidder and probably for housing.
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Post by toteend3 on Sept 11, 2019 15:50:01 GMT
This was my a reply to similar thread, which with the recent quotes my little rant kinda cements how were all feeling I wish i had a answer:
Off the pitch is where our version of 'brexit' is being played out -Feb 2003 we were staying in and redeveloping the Memorial Ground. Thanks to the Green Party we stayed in. Then along comes Sainsbury's and we coming out. They f**ked us over with their clever lawyers but low and behold we were saved by 'crazy foreign owners' and coming out was back on again - our new ground was a certainty. This is Rovers nothing ever can be taken for granted - For reasons unknown it fell through - Lets stay in and redevelop the Memorial Stadium its the same amount of space that Everton manage with says El Presidente. After lots of rumours surprise surprise were coming out again this time smelling of 'rose's' ? Its no wonder we are all screwed up, after all 'brexit' only been going for 3 years and everyone is f**ked off How about 40 -50 years of abject misery! UtG
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2019 16:22:05 GMT
This was my a reply to similar thread, which with the recent quotes my little rant kinda cements how were all feeling I wish i had a answer: Off the pitch is where our version of 'brexit' is being played out -Feb 2003 we were staying in and redeveloping the Memorial Ground. Thanks to the Green Party we stayed in. Then along comes Sainsbury's and we coming out. They f**ked us over with their clever lawyers but low and behold we were saved by 'crazy foreign owners' and coming out was back on again - our new ground was a certainty. This is Rovers nothing ever can be taken for granted - For reasons unknown it fell through - Lets stay in and redevelop the Memorial Stadium its the same amount of space that Everton manage with says El Presidente. After lots of rumours surprise surprise were coming out again this time smelling of 'rose's' ? Its no wonder we are all screwed up, after all 'brexit' only been going for 3 years and everyone is f**ked off How about 40 -50 years of abject misery! UtG Don't get all stressy, just ask our rep, Ken Masters what's happening, he'll give you all of the latest info.
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TaiwanGas
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Post by TaiwanGas on Sept 11, 2019 20:14:38 GMT
Right from the off, after picking up the keys to the Mem for next to nothing, the management of said property has been nothing short of Fred Carno's. If I am not mistaken, shortly after we took over the Mem, a large plot of land (off the car park) was sold for housing bringing in a tidy sum but overall reducing the land footprint, I thought at the time it was short sighted to sell this land, in fact I went to see to the Mem to check this plot, was so curious at that time, it was a long time ago, and little did I know that it was only the start of the Circus act.
As mentioned above, we had our chance, we had momentum, positivity and hope, we were looking attractive, now we are debt ridden and ugly.
The Mem is our Jekyll & Hyde.
Peace Gasheads.
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Post by laughinggas on Sept 11, 2019 20:44:12 GMT
Thought rugby club sold the land, am sure was before we had total ownership.
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TaiwanGas
Paul Bannon
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Post by TaiwanGas on Sept 11, 2019 21:37:09 GMT
Thought rugby club sold the land, am sure was before we had total ownership. You may have something with 'before we had total ownership' but I am also sure Rovers board at that time were involved. I have no interest in the Rugby Club so if they sold land previous to Rovers ownership I would not have batted an eyelid. I am trying hard to remember the exact detail, but cannot, other than a feeling of not being particularly happy about the sale process at that time.
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Post by laughinggas on Sept 11, 2019 21:44:39 GMT
1998 we took over according to wiki. Some of houses built 2006. So I'm not sure now.
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womble
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Post by womble on Sept 11, 2019 22:13:13 GMT
Thought rugby club sold the land, am sure was before we had total ownership. You may have something with 'before we had total ownership' but I am also sure Rovers board at that time were involved. I have no interest in the Rugby Club so if they sold land previous to Rovers ownership I would not have batted an eyelid. I am trying hard to remember the exact detail, but cannot, other than a feeling of not being particularly happy about the sale process at that time. The rugby club had sold an option to buy their training pitch (where the Trubshaw Close housing is now), to a development company. The company decided to exercise their right to buy after Rovers had gone from tenants, to part owners, to whole ownership. Nothing Rovers could do about it.
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TaiwanGas
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Post by TaiwanGas on Sept 12, 2019 4:07:40 GMT
You may have something with 'before we had total ownership' but I am also sure Rovers board at that time were involved. I have no interest in the Rugby Club so if they sold land previous to Rovers ownership I would not have batted an eyelid. I am trying hard to remember the exact detail, but cannot, other than a feeling of not being particularly happy about the sale process at that time. The rugby club had sold an option to buy their training pitch (where the Trubshaw Close housing is now), to a development company. The company decided to exercise their right to buy after Rovers had gone from tenants, to part owners, to whole ownership. Nothing Rovers could do about it. Thanks for the info Womble, that does make sense of it, and I appreciate knowing this now, the Mem really does throw up some surprises!, on another note, and this may well have been discussed previously, so I apologise if I am repeating, there is still much talk about the Mem being purchased at some point by somebody for eventual 'housing', but as I understand it, the land has a covenant that it must remain a sporting venue 'forever'.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 12, 2019 9:09:34 GMT
I honestly don't know about the covenant, and would be genuinely surprised if that was the case.
We tried to sell to Shamesbury's without thinking about that provision.
More likely, there's something written somewhere about a memorial having to remain.
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Post by laughinggas on Sept 12, 2019 9:20:15 GMT
There was talk that it had to remain Rovers home till they found a new one.
Don't quote me as I remember reading this point here, does not make it a fact!
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Post by droitwichgas on Sept 12, 2019 19:45:36 GMT
The rugby club had sold an option to buy their training pitch (where the Trubshaw Close housing is now), to a development company. The company decided to exercise their right to buy after Rovers had gone from tenants, to part owners, to whole ownership. Nothing Rovers could do about it. Thanks for the info Womble, that does make sense of it, and I appreciate knowing this now, the Mem really does throw up some surprises!, on another note, and this may well have been discussed previously, so I apologise if I am repeating, there is still much talk about the Mem being purchased at some point by somebody for eventual 'housing', but as I understand it, the land has a covenant that it must remain a sporting venue 'forever'. That's suggestion is clearly nonsense as if all had gone to plan the Mem site would now have a Sainsbury's superstore built on it and we'd be playing football at the UWE.
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