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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Sept 9, 2019 9:50:46 GMT
I worry for GC. He is a genuine bloke but seems to be pleading for the players. I think he is trying to convince himself they are ‘ a great bunch of lads’. He'd cut his interview times considerably if he stuck to explaining tactics and what went right or wrong instead of waffling on like he does sticking up for the players and repeating the same things. I like him and the football being played under him and I'm sure it will stabilise once they - dare I say it - gel.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 9, 2019 10:09:18 GMT
I don’t know why the crucify comment. I haven’t said any such thing. My apologies, I didn't phrase it too well. I didn't mean you had, rather in a wider sense that at the moment any of our players gets undue excessive criticism for any mistakes. We're all very down and disappointed at the moment but I feel it gets out of all proportion at times. Thanks for the clarification and apology though not necessary to say sorry once you explained your reason for the comment I don’t think we are disappointed anymore than usual but I think many are now just seeing a stagnant club and have had enough of the many let downs we have had. I certainly am not going to tell people they are wrong to stay away as I do understand why many have done that. I just feel like we got mugged yesterday but hope for better even though my head says we just don’t seem to have the ability to change things or to take advantage of certain situations. In all honesty, if the friend that I go with decided he wasn’t going then I’d probably only go for certain games. I feel bad saying that but I’m not feeling very positive right now and watching has become a chore.
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Post by billyocean on Sept 9, 2019 10:10:54 GMT
The man hasnt got an ounce of managerial blood in him,opposition go down to 10 and he still stick to the formation what a fool. Is he is a dick or a fool though? I think he is what he is: the cheapest option. Did well last season given the circumstances but unlikely to succeed or prove popular this season from what I've seen.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 10:26:14 GMT
The man hasnt got an ounce of managerial blood in him,opposition go down to 10 and he still stick to the formation what a fool. Is he is a dick or a fool though? I think he is what he is: the cheapest option. Did well last season given the circumstances but unlikely to succeed or prove popular this season from what I've seen. The cheapest option would be to get the supporters to email in their team and tactics. Gorringe could set it up on a premium rate number. Then during the game we can text in what tactical changes we should make. Listening to the people around me on match days it seems to be pretty simple, ''Clarke, do something'' seemed to be a popular choice.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 10:49:42 GMT
Im no coughlan fan but if he changed the formation after the red card and we drew we would have the same thread about "why change the formation". Why worry about the poxy formation v 10 men? Just pass the ball to each other and wear your opponents down with any formation. If ever there was an opportunity Saturday was the opportunity to demonstrate any tactical nous (or not). 50 minutes and against 10 men, playing a team with a couple of dangerous players only. We huff and puff, at last we are making a change. Clearly bring off a CB, go to a back four if still wanting to keep it toght, push Rodman wide, push Bennett on the other wing and attack to win the game. Not gung ho, I get that. Keeping the back 5 and the two defensive midfielders was an effing disgrace. I haven't been a fan of GC, but I'm sorry coming out of that game with just 1 point, and it looked like only one winner and it wasn't us; I am now sure we have a guy that is afraid to lose. Not the football to take us anywhere. I am loyal and always call for steady influence careful what you wish for and all that, but for me I've seen enough. I agree with most of your post and that coughlan always takes the negative/cautious options but if you do not pass the ball to each other against 10 men your wasting your extra man regardless of your nominal formation. I dislike 3-5-2 but its not a back 5 in my view,its a back 3.
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Post by simonj on Sept 9, 2019 11:30:27 GMT
If ever there was an opportunity Saturday was the opportunity to demonstrate any tactical nous (or not). 50 minutes and against 10 men, playing a team with a couple of dangerous players only. We huff and puff, at last we are making a change. Clearly bring off a CB, go to a back four if still wanting to keep it toght, push Rodman wide, push Bennett on the other wing and attack to win the game. Not gung ho, I get that. Keeping the back 5 and the two defensive midfielders was an effing disgrace. I haven't been a fan of GC, but I'm sorry coming out of that game with just 1 point, and it looked like only one winner and it wasn't us; I am now sure we have a guy that is afraid to lose. Not the football to take us anywhere. I am loyal and always call for steady influence careful what you wish for and all that, but for me I've seen enough. I agree with most of your post and that coughlan always takes the negative/cautious options but if you do not pass the ball to each other against 10 men your wasting your extra man regardless of your nominal formation. I dislike 3-5-2 but its not a back 5 in my view,its a back 3. Well, where were the wingbacks? most of the time their 7 and 8 had as much time and space as they needed. Against 10 men the tactics could have been much clearer whatever 3 or 5. we gave the 10 men nothing to worry about.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 11:35:20 GMT
Im no coughlan fan but if he changed the formation after the red card and we drew we would have the same thread about "why change the formation". Why worry about the poxy formation v 10 men? Just pass the ball to each other and wear your opponents down with any formation. If ever there was an opportunity Saturday was the opportunity to demonstrate any tactical nous (or not). 50 minutes and against 10 men, playing a team with a couple of dangerous players only. We huff and puff, at last we are making a change. Clearly bring off a CB, go to a back four if still wanting to keep it toght, push Rodman wide, push Bennett on the other wing and attack to win the game. Not gung ho, I get that. Keeping the back 5 and the two defensive midfielders was an effing disgrace. I haven't been a fan of GC, but I'm sorry coming out of that game with just 1 point, and it looked like only one winner and it wasn't us; I am now sure we have a guy that is afraid to lose. Not the football to take us anywhere. I am loyal and always call for steady influence careful what you wish for and all that, but for me I've seen enough. hes atkins mk2 in his style of play BUT unlike atkins hes not rude or as the op says a fool, atkins WAS a fool, topping him was buckle a PRIZE fool
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 11:44:53 GMT
Just like every time people have a pop at Atkins, we should remember, he was brought in to do a job, he saved us from relegation, but he also assembled the core of the squad that got Trollope and Lenny promoted.
I wouldn't mind our entire coaching and management team being 'fools' if they managed the same level of success.
Oddly enough, despite appearing utterly hopeless with us, last I heard, somehow, Buckle was working with younger players at a PL club. Funny old game.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 15:26:03 GMT
Tomlinson in midfield might help !
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2019 16:46:00 GMT
Just like every time people have a pop at Atkins, we should remember, he was brought in to do a job, he saved us from relegation, but he also assembled the core of the squad that got Trollope and Lenny promoted. I wouldn't mind our entire coaching and management team being 'fools' if they managed the same level of success. Oddly enough, despite appearing utterly hopeless with us, last I heard, somehow, Buckle was working with younger players at a PL club. Funny old game. he could spot a player atkins ill give him that
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Post by mangogas15 on Sept 9, 2019 21:40:01 GMT
GC is not going to be popular until he gets some real success and plays more attractive football.
I think he's doing ok, he's trying to compete every week in L1 which is certainly an odd division this year with everything going on.
He could be doing better but he has the group he has and this gem up front. I'm sure we could all do better, or someone else better qualified would, but did any of you want Cotterill as he was the next best option 9 months ago.
Who would you bring in instead? Give the guy a chance.
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Post by laughinggas on Sept 10, 2019 7:19:02 GMT
What makes you think GC can improve? He was a defensive coach who was given an initial job to do, steady the ship. For some reason this led to a 2.5 year contract.
If we have not got an established manager I prefer one that other clubs are envious of, means he I'd doing something good.
Can you see GC having that sort of reputation by the end of the season?
DC had that reputation for a while.
Though the whole managerial merry go round is hard to understand. Gary Monk is on his 5th championship club in 5 years, not sure why.
I see nothing in GC that makes me think he will a wanted manager.
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Post by stroudblue on Sept 10, 2019 10:25:55 GMT
GC comes across as a hard practical guy. He found a good striker and hopefully will find other quality players. If they are willing to join Rovers is another issue.. My gut feeling, is a couple of players who are capable of much better, don't seem to be giving their all..Sercombe and Clark spring to mind.
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Post by mangogas15 on Sept 10, 2019 12:39:24 GMT
What makes you think GC can improve? He was a defensive coach who was given an initial job to do, steady the ship. For some reason this led to a 2.5 year contract. If we have not got an established manager I prefer one that other clubs are envious of, means he I'd doing something good. Can you see GC having that sort of reputation by the end of the season? DC had that reputation for a while. Though the whole managerial merry go round is hard to understand. Gary Monk is on his 5th championship club in 5 years, not sure why. I see nothing in GC that makes me think he will a wanted manager. He's still learning. Who would you have?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2019 12:48:03 GMT
What makes you think GC can improve? He was a defensive coach who was given an initial job to do, steady the ship. For some reason this led to a 2.5 year contract. If we have not got an established manager I prefer one that other clubs are envious of, means he I'd doing something good. Can you see GC having that sort of reputation by the end of the season? DC had that reputation for a while. Though the whole managerial merry go round is hard to understand. Gary Monk is on his 5th championship club in 5 years, not sure why. I see nothing in GC that makes me think he will a wanted manager. He's still learning. Who would you have? Guardiola.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2019 19:07:34 GMT
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Post by mangogas15 on Sept 10, 2019 20:30:50 GMT
😄...oh you weren't joking
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Post by mangogas15 on Sept 10, 2019 20:31:36 GMT
He's still learning. Who would you have? Guardiola. Yeah Klopp likewise, realistically??
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2019 20:54:40 GMT
Not quite entirely, anyway. I wonder whether there are cases where suspension, not dismissal, is warranted.
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Post by mangogas15 on Sept 10, 2019 21:08:56 GMT
Not quite entirely, anyway. I wonder whether there are cases where suspension, not dismissal, is warranted. I'd have him back if he played the best starting 11 each week. Walsall are currently proving the board right. He over thought it towards the end. Oh, sorry he is beyond criticism. Still no realistic answers. There will be a multiple of sackings and the merry go round will start again. If the board has so much money, bring in Pulis, then we'd moan about the quality of football even in the top 5. Can't see it, stick with Coughlan until he gives us a proper reason not to. Stranger things have happened, like Warnock going to Cardiff.
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