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Post by Gregory Stevens on Feb 18, 2019 13:36:05 GMT
Tried very hard to enjoy really old games but the standard pre about 88-89 is so poor it’s unwarchable for me. Some of the defending is hilarious!
Must be good for nostalgia. I’m sure people will say this about the 90s and 2000s one day.
I guess the only good thing in those days is that a good winger could take the piss. Doesn’t happen so much now. Even billy bodin wasn’t murdering full backs week in week out. That must have been good to see.
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Post by laughinggas on Feb 18, 2019 14:18:57 GMT
No diving Few cards Tackles made and missed Not much complaining to ref
While standard not as good would take some of those things today!
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Post by dido on Feb 18, 2019 16:33:26 GMT
Nah, GS is right. It was no good. No hairstyles; no tattoos; no choreographed celebrations; no adverts on gloves; no keeping it in the corner.(etc.) How could anyone enjoy that?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 16:41:50 GMT
Oh, those Rovers, you know? Circa 1970? Broke the mould. Theory out the window. Free expression of football. Uncategorisable. Is that a word? It is now! You know? Far cry from small boys in the park, jumpers for goalposts. Rush goalie. Two at the back, three in the middle, four up front, one's gone home for his tea. Beans on toast? Possibly, don't quote me on that. Marvellous.
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Post by harrybuckle on Feb 18, 2019 16:42:08 GMT
True, Rex. Indeed, there is no nostalgia now. I look back on nostalgia with fondness. Please come and experience some Rovers nostalgia on 2 March before the Blackpool match in the BRSC bar.1230 to 230pm Rovers history Group are staging an Exhibition of Rovers Memorabilia etc and chance to chat to Tom Stanton, Josser Watling and hopefuly Peter Aitken and Vaughan Jones.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 16:47:24 GMT
True, Rex. Indeed, there is no nostalgia now. I look back on nostalgia with fondness. Please come and experience some Rovers nostalgia on 2 March before the Blackpool match in the BRSC bar.1230 to 230pm Rovers history Group are staging an Exhibition of Rovers Memorabilia etc and chance to chat to Tom Stanton, Josser Watling and hopefuly Peter Aitken and Vaughan Jones.
It's going to be a fantastic occasion.
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 18, 2019 17:05:42 GMT
Tried very hard to enjoy really old games but the standard pre about 88-89 is so poor it’s unwarchable for me. Some of the defending is hilarious! Must be good for nostalgia. I’m sure people will say this about the 90s and 2000s one day. I guess the only good thing in those days is that a good winger could take the piss. Doesn’t happen so much now. Even billy bodin wasn’t murdering full backs week in week out. That must have been good to see. Blimey! Are you serious? We saw defenders defending. Full backs who did something with the ball when they got it and pass to our midfield. We had Frankie P and Tom S creating chances and wingers from both teams attacking the space and causing problems for the FBs who defended well. Our CHs could defend and pass to our own team and if balls came into our box I didn’t feel that there was going to a goal every time. Our midfield was creative and Kenny S took on players and attacked. Our strikers ran for balls and jumped and looked as if they might score. Sorry but I have to say the standard in that match was far higher than we see now. Perhaps the fitness levels might not be but the ability to pass, be comfortable on the ball, tackle and play through the midfield was good. Of course we mixed it up with some long balls but our midfield was able to hold the ball and create chances. What a change to see players accept refs decisions, show respect to their opponents and play with a smile and not a snarl and generally accept that football is a game and is not about life or death! Graydon coming back now would see him receiving dogs abuse yet then apart from a few boos he had a fairly good reception. Wouldnt happen now! Carridus was probably the best player on the pitch and our defence contained him. After watching us this season I’d give something to be able to field an eleven like that and beat the future Champions of England and European Cup winners, as they would be 7 years later. The standard is high. Perhaps people get used to seeing TV football now and believe everything now must be better but tbh the standard in that match would knock most games now. UTG!
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Post by dido on Feb 18, 2019 18:01:41 GMT
Yeh, but how can you enjoy that - it wasn't played on a carpet.
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Feb 18, 2019 18:21:28 GMT
Tried very hard to enjoy really old games but the standard pre about 88-89 is so poor it’s unwarchable for me. Some of the defending is hilarious! Must be good for nostalgia. I’m sure people will say this about the 90s and 2000s one day. I guess the only good thing in those days is that a good winger could take the piss. Doesn’t happen so much now. Even billy bodin wasn’t murdering full backs week in week out. That must have been good to see. Blimey! Are you serious? We saw defenders defending. Full backs who did something with the ball when they got it and pass to our midfield. We had Frankie P and Tom S creating chances and wingers from both teams attacking the space and causing problems for the FBs who defended well. Our CHs could defend and pass to our own team and if balls came into our box I didn’t feel that there was going to a goal every time. Our midfield was creative and Kenny S took on players and attacked. Our strikers ran for balls and jumped and looked as if they might score. Sorry but I have to say the standard in that match was far higher than we see now. Perhaps the fitness levels might not be but the ability to pass, be comfortable on the ball, tackle and play through the midfield was good. Of course we mixed it up with some long balls but our midfield was able to hold the ball and create chances. What a change to see players accept refs decisions, show respect to their opponents and play with a smile and not a snarl and generally accept that football is a game and is not about life or death! Graydon coming back now would see him receiving dogs abuse yet then apart from a few boos he had a fairly good reception. Wouldnt happen now! Carridus was probably the best player on the pitch and our defence contained him. After watching us this season I’d give something to be able to field an eleven like that and beat the future Champions of England and European Cup winners, as they would be 7 years later. The standard is high. Perhaps people get used to seeing TV football now and believe everything now must be better but tbh the standard in that match would knock most games now. UTG! I thought most of the 70s and 80s was gangs of hooligans trying to “take peoples ends” and large scale violence which is why it was unpopular for a long time. Certainly from what is said on here it wasn’t quite the back-slapping world of camaraderie you describe, , but gangs of fans chasing people around trying to give each other a shoeing. As for the standard, I can see with my own eyes and if you think that’s a good standard, must have different perceptions of standards. People aren’t meant to agree on everything. I don’t remember the Francis years but I enjoy watching those games. Can’t say the same for this. Pro rata I’m sure we were a better team then. Just re watched a bit and it’s not too bad. Defending is definitely worse all round but main gripe is that the concept of possession is lost and each team is very much direct. The ball is played in at all times and they don’t seem to want to hold it. Also the shape of the teams are ragged and it’s very spaced out. Perhaps I was a bit tough. It’s watchable but I can’t say it’s particularly entertaining compared to later years
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Post by trymer on Feb 18, 2019 18:23:19 GMT
Tried very hard to enjoy really old games but the standard pre about 88-89 is so poor it’s unwarchable for me. Some of the defending is hilarious! Must be good for nostalgia. I’m sure people will say this about the 90s and 2000s one day. I guess the only good thing in those days is that a good winger could take the piss. Doesn’t happen so much now. Even billy bodin wasn’t murdering full backs week in week out. That must have been good to see. Blimey! Are you serious? We saw defenders defending. Full backs who did something with the ball when they got it and pass to our midfield. We had Frankie P and Tom S creating chances and wingers from both teams attacking the space and causing problems for the FBs who defended well. Our CHs could defend and pass to our own team and if balls came into our box I didn’t feel that there was going to a goal every time. Our midfield was creative and Kenny S took on players and attacked. Our strikers ran for balls and jumped and looked as if they might score. Sorry but I have to say the standard in that match was far higher than we see now. Perhaps the fitness levels might not be but the ability to pass, be comfortable on the ball, tackle and play through the midfield was good. Of course we mixed it up with some long balls but our midfield was able to hold the ball and create chances. What a change to see players accept refs decisions, show respect to their opponents and play with a smile and not a snarl and generally accept that football is a game and is not about life or death! Graydon coming back now would see him receiving dogs abuse yet then apart from a few boos he had a fairly good reception. Wouldnt happen now! Carridus was probably the best player on the pitch and our defence contained him. After watching us this season I’d give something to be able to field an eleven like that and beat the future Champions of England and European Cup winners, as they would be 7 years later. The standard is high. Perhaps people get used to seeing TV football now and believe everything now must be better but tbh the standard in that match would knock most games now. UTG! Some interesting comments Wareham and they mean quite a lot coming from you as you saw the Rovers then and now so you are able to compare the two. You didn't mention the pitches then,ok this match was relatively early in the season but that pitch did get VERY heavy, in fact to work in the penalty areas the groundsmen had to use planks to stand on but the players seemed to have more control than some players do now on pitches that are perfect. In recent years I have seen Rovers players who cannot control the ball,pass the ball,tackle or head the ball with any accuracy yet they are paid footballers ! would any other professional get away with being deficient in the basic skills of their trade ? who would employ a carpenter who couldn't measure or use a saw ?. I think that players could be fitter now but they don't play the amount of games that they used to over a holiday period,Easter might have seen games on Good Friday and Easter Saturday and on the Monday or Tuesday so players must have been pretty fit then. Then there's the atmosphere (or lack of it) now,well I suppose that singing is going to be quite difficult when your sat in a seat munching a pastie and using your phone to find out the latest scores at other games. People can say about looking back with rose tinted glasses and all the guff about nostalgia but going to a match is very different today,much more sterile and really quite dull a lot of the time.
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Post by laughinggas on Feb 18, 2019 19:36:16 GMT
Talking about how good the play was, the gap between top and third tiers was closer in 70's. Two quarter finals in the league cup. Win at Man U. No rotation in those days.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 20:21:04 GMT
Lots of things in football have improved, some have got worse. Football on and off the pitch has certainly become safer, does that make for a better or worse spectacle that’s open to debate. It’s a different sport now, it’s developed. There are elements of football I wish we’d managed to keep, the higher attendances, the affordability, and the atmosphere. Unfortunately with football in the 70’s and 80’s also game some more unsavoury elements. I know speaking to my Dad he doesn’t miss the trouble, NF canvassing and other things that came along with football then. We’ll always look back at when we started watching football and our “prime age” watching the game as the best time, because we were young, it was our thing. For me the mid-90’s were exceptional. I’m not wrong, it was just my time. Sometimes it’s nice to see and accept different periods of football for what they were, an insight into the game as it was then.
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 18, 2019 21:23:46 GMT
Blimey! Are you serious? We saw defenders defending. Full backs who did something with the ball when they got it and pass to our midfield. We had Frankie P and Tom S creating chances and wingers from both teams attacking the space and causing problems for the FBs who defended well. Our CHs could defend and pass to our own team and if balls came into our box I didn’t feel that there was going to a goal every time. Our midfield was creative and Kenny S took on players and attacked. Our strikers ran for balls and jumped and looked as if they might score. Sorry but I have to say the standard in that match was far higher than we see now. Perhaps the fitness levels might not be but the ability to pass, be comfortable on the ball, tackle and play through the midfield was good. Of course we mixed it up with some long balls but our midfield was able to hold the ball and create chances. What a change to see players accept refs decisions, show respect to their opponents and play with a smile and not a snarl and generally accept that football is a game and is not about life or death! Graydon coming back now would see him receiving dogs abuse yet then apart from a few boos he had a fairly good reception. Wouldnt happen now! Carridus was probably the best player on the pitch and our defence contained him. After watching us this season I’d give something to be able to field an eleven like that and beat the future Champions of England and European Cup winners, as they would be 7 years later. The standard is high. Perhaps people get used to seeing TV football now and believe everything now must be better but tbh the standard in that match would knock most games now. UTG! I thought most of the 70s and 80s was gangs of hooligans trying to “take peoples ends” and large scale violence which is why it was unpopular for a long time. Certainly from what is said on here it wasn’t quite the back-slapping world of camaraderie you describe, , but gangs of fans chasing people around trying to give each other a shoeing.
As for the standard, I can see with my own eyes and if you think that’s a good standard, must have different perceptions of standards. People aren’t meant to agree on everything. I don’t remember the Francis years but I enjoy watching those games. Can’t say the same for this. Pro rata I’m sure we were a better team then. Just re watched a bit and it’s not too bad. Defending is definitely worse all round but main gripe is that the concept of possession is lost and each team is very much direct. The ball is played in at all times and they don’t seem to want to hold it. Also the shape of the teams are ragged and it’s very spaced out. Perhaps I was a bit tough. It’s watchable but I can’t say it’s particularly entertaining compared to later years. Come on Greg did you read what I said because I certainly didn’t mention or describe “back-slapping world of cameraderie.” I never used or implied those words. You seem to be talking about the world around the actual match and the crowd problems. I would probably agree with you there but i was talking about the football. Yes it was more direct which made tactics very different. But they did hold onto the ball and were far more comfortable in possession than they appear now. I’m glad you re watched some of it and admitted that “it’s not too bad” and that you were “a bit tough.” And honestly if you think that this seasons fare is more entertaining than that match then we must have different ideas about entertaining! Regarding standards we saw a lot of good defending, heading and tackling, passing was good, our defenders could pass and Prince, Stephens and Stanton created lots of openings. The wingers in both teams were able to centre and usually missed the first defender. As a season ticket holder at Bournemouth and seeing lots of live PL football I see wingers and wide players now who fail to centre and often hit the first defender. I see players at Bournemouth and Rovers who have a poor first touch and who when moving with the ball do not look comfortable despite playing on immaculate carpets compared to 1974. That is why I feel that the standards in that 1974 match were good. Of course football has changed and teams play differently which makes it difficult to compare different systems. I guess my point was I saw defenders who could pass, head and tackle, I saw two keepers who commanded their areas (when did you last see that?), I saw a midfield who could collect the ball deep, run with it and set up attackers who were always looking for space. Yes of course there were mistakes, but I go to the Mem now and see plenty of those. The basics of passing, controlling and tackling were as good or better then than I see now. We’re unlikely to agree but I just feel that nowadays we see a football as a great marketing product. It is slickly presented, on TV so it must be presented well, it can be exciting and in some cases the level of skill is very much greater than it was. But seeing as much live football as I do I see players playing to a certain system that makes it unnecessary to be able to dribble or tackle or even be able to centre a ball because they can do other things. Perhaps it’s an age thing but I do see the PL especially and what they say about the game everywhere now a bit like the Emporers New Clothes. If you keep saying everything now is better and football is so good now then it must be true. It’s not but many people believe it must be because so many people say it. As you say Greg we all have different opinions. Thankfully.😉
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Post by trymer on Feb 19, 2019 5:44:50 GMT
I thought most of the 70s and 80s was gangs of hooligans trying to “take peoples ends” and large scale violence which is why it was unpopular for a long time. Certainly from what is said on here it wasn’t quite the back-slapping world of camaraderie you describe, , but gangs of fans chasing people around trying to give each other a shoeing.
As for the standard, I can see with my own eyes and if you think that’s a good standard, must have different perceptions of standards. People aren’t meant to agree on everything. I don’t remember the Francis years but I enjoy watching those games. Can’t say the same for this. Pro rata I’m sure we were a better team then. Just re watched a bit and it’s not too bad. Defending is definitely worse all round but main gripe is that the concept of possession is lost and each team is very much direct. The ball is played in at all times and they don’t seem to want to hold it. Also the shape of the teams are ragged and it’s very spaced out. Perhaps I was a bit tough. It’s watchable but I can’t say it’s particularly entertaining compared to later years. Come on Greg did you read what I said because I certainly didn’t mention or describe “back-slapping world of cameraderie.” I never used or implied those words. You seem to be talking about the world around the actual match and the crowd problems. I would probably agree with you there but i was talking about the football. Yes it was more direct which made tactics very different. But they did hold onto the ball and were far more comfortable in possession than they appear now. I’m glad you re watched some of it and admitted that “it’s not too bad” and that you were “a bit tough.” And honestly if you think that this seasons fare is more entertaining than that match then we must have different ideas about entertaining! Regarding standards we saw a lot of good defending, heading and tackling, passing was good, our defenders could pass and Prince, Stephens and Stanton created lots of openings. The wingers in both teams were able to centre and usually missed the first defender. As a season ticket holder at Bournemouth and seeing lots of live PL football I see wingers and wide players now who fail to centre and often hit the first defender. I see players at Bournemouth and Rovers who have a poor first touch and who when moving with the ball do not look comfortable despite playing on immaculate carpets compared to 1974. That is why I feel that the standards in that 1974 match were good. Of course football has changed and teams play differently which makes it difficult to compare different systems. I guess my point was I saw defenders who could pass, head and tackle, I saw two keepers who commanded their areas (when did you last see that?), I saw a midfield who could collect the ball deep, run with it and set up attackers who were always looking for space. Yes of course there were mistakes, but I go to the Mem now and see plenty of those. The basics of passing, controlling and tackling were as good or better then than I see now. We’re unlikely to agree but I just feel that nowadays we see a football as a great marketing product. It is slickly presented, on TV so it must be presented well, it can be exciting and in some cases the level of skill is very much greater than it was. But seeing as much live football as I do I see players playing to a certain system that makes it unnecessary to be able to dribble or tackle or even be able to centre a ball because they can do other things. Perhaps it’s an age thing but I do see the PL especially and what they say about the game everywhere now a bit like the Emporers New Clothes. If you keep saying everything now is better and football is so good now then it must be true. It’s not but many people believe it must be because so many people say it. As you say Greg we all have different opinions. Thankfully.😉 Another good post Wareham,good to read from someone who has experienced both eras not read about it ,heard about it or been told about it.
One day a time travel machine will be invented,wouldnt it be fantastic to see the present day Rovers team (plus loan signing Ellis Harrison) play the 1970 Rovers team (including Alex Munro and Larry Lloyd) at 1970 Eastville on a wet muddy day ? the present day supporters could be away fans for the day and get the opportunity to smell the gas that they talk about so much,oh what memorable day it would be.
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Feb 19, 2019 6:39:56 GMT
To be fair the current era isn’t a good one. I’d say about 89-2000 was a lot better than now.
You made a lot of points about how crowds were fairer and it’s now a kind of win at all costs attitude. I think it’s reasonable to widen that out to discussing gangs of blokes knocking the shyt out of each other on and off the terraces.
Won’t budge on the football standard. Those players in that game above get to the opponents box and it goes one of two ways. To the winger or chipped in to the striker. Very few instances of players playing it back to amongst the midfield.
It’s a characteristic I see in all older football. I wouldn’t say they are comfortable with the ball. They just don’t get closed down as quickly. Once they actually get anywhere it’s a chip in, or a shot or a cross. I can’t see any intricate 1-2s or anything clever. If you’re watching that and think those players are more possession focussed than modern footballers the rose tints are on full beam.
As for the premiership, while I dislike the Hollywood, American football esque coverage, the standard now is the best football has ever been by a long, long way. I remember football back to about 1993 and it’s miles better now.
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Post by Rex on Feb 19, 2019 7:27:07 GMT
Nah, GS is right. It was no good. No hairstyles; no tattoos; no choreographed celebrations; no adverts on gloves; no keeping it in the corner.(etc.)
How could anyone enjoy that? It started with that bloody Charlie George, all long hair and dangerously suspicious pre arranged celebrations he was. Once they let him get away with it , it paved the way for Keegan's perm and players kissing each other. Bloody disgusting, it make's me so damned angry. Thank god for Brexit, now we can bring back national service, hanging and black football boots
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Post by Rex on Feb 19, 2019 7:41:39 GMT
Lots of things in football have improved, some have got worse. Football on and off the pitch has certainly become safer, does that make for a better or worse spectacle that’s open to debate. It’s a different sport now, it’s developed. There are elements of football I wish we’d managed to keep, the higher attendances, the affordability, and the atmosphere. Unfortunately with football in the 70’s and 80’s also game some more unsavoury elements. I know speaking to my Dad he doesn’t miss the trouble, NF canvassing and other things that came along with football then. We’ll always look back at when we started watching football and our “prime age” watching the game as the best time, because we were young, it was our thing. For me the mid-90’s were exceptional. I’m not wrong, it was just my time. Sometimes it’s nice to see and accept different periods of football for what they were, an insight into the game as it was then. Exactly. My last post- while obviously very tongue in cheek- had a large element of truth in it. In the 70s I remember well TV & newspaper rants about the likes of Charlie George and his long hair, players kissing each other after goals ( I seem to remember this even being raised in parliament!) and of course the hooligan problem, which led to calls for national service and bringing back the birch. And yes, even back then, people bemoaned the fact that players earned too much and drove around in fancy cars. Football/ life was always better 'back in my day'.
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Post by Rex on Feb 19, 2019 7:44:49 GMT
To be fair the current era isn’t a good one. I’d say about 89-2000 was a lot better than now. You made a lot of points about how crowds were fairer and it’s now a kind of win at all costs attitude. I think it’s reasonable to widen that out to discussing gangs of blokes knocking the shyt out of each other on and off the terraces. Won’t budge on the football standard. Those players in that game above get to the opponents box and it goes one of two ways. To the winger or chipped in to the striker. Very few instances of players playing it back to amongst the midfield. It’s a characteristic I see in all older football. I wouldn’t say they are comfortable with the ball. They just don’t get closed down as quickly. Once they actually get anywhere it’s a chip in, or a shot or a cross. I can’t see any intricate 1-2s or anything clever. If you’re watching that and think those players are more possession focussed than modern footballers the rose tints are on full beam. As for the premiership, while I dislike the Hollywood, American football esque coverage, the standard now is the best football has ever been by a long, long way. I remember football back to about 1993 and it’s miles better now. I don't think anyone would deny players are infinitely more skilful now. When we saw the 'Cruyff turn' in the 74 World Cup, we were genuinely baffled as to what he had just done, you can see half a dozen of these in any kids game now. As to whether the game is better to watch now, I'm with Chewy. We all have our own era when football was at it's best.
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Post by dido on Feb 19, 2019 9:15:25 GMT
How did players ever manage without mini-cones to trot over. How did those new-fangled substitutes ever manage to come on without being shown an A4 folder thing? Above all, how did Haaarold ever manage to cross the ball without unfeasibly white teeth? That's why they get my admiration.
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 19, 2019 10:27:11 GMT
To be fair the current era isn’t a good one. I’d say about 89-2000 was a lot better than now. You made a lot of points about how crowds were fairer and it’s now a kind of win at all costs attitude. I think it’s reasonable to widen that out to discussing gangs of blokes knocking the shyt out of each other on and off the terraces. Won’t budge on the football standard. Those players in that game above get to the opponents box and it goes one of two ways. To the winger or chipped in to the striker. Very few instances of players playing it back to amongst the midfield. It’s a characteristic I see in all older football. I wouldn’t say they are comfortable with the ball. They just don’t get closed down as quickly. Once they actually get anywhere it’s a chip in, or a shot or a cross. I can’t see any intricate 1-2s or anything clever. If you’re watching that and think those players are more possession focussed than modern footballers the rose tints are on full beam. As for the premiership, while I dislike the Hollywood, American football esque coverage, the standard now is the best football has ever been by a long, long way. I remember football back to about 1993 and it’s miles better now. Fair enough, we will have to differ on this. But whilst you say “ I think it’s reasonable to widen that out to discussing gangs....” that’s your opinion but my response had been about you saying I had said that. I didn’t and you were wrong to imply I did. And you “can’t see any intricate 1-2s or anything clever”. Again did you watch it? I saw Kenny S do 2 or 3 1-2s with Bannister and Warboys. You seem to have your set opinion which is fine but can’t be arssed to watch the match which would show something different. By all means have your opinions but don’t ignore what the evidence of that match showed. UTG!
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