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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2019 1:01:24 GMT
The thing is we as supporters are passive. We were passive with Higgs and Co, we are passive with WAQ and Co, we are passive with the stadium, we are passive with this. We get the club we deserve, we get the s***e B team laden tournament we deserve. Any success post-Twerton has been inspite of pretty much everything to do with the club. We never ask questions about anything, just lie there and wait for it to wash over us. It’s a shame really but nothing new. I'm not sure I get your last point. The forums and social media seem to almost be an echo chamber of people asking questions and sometimes bashing the club at every opportunity, you get involved in almost any conversation on a match day at the mem and you get the same. I'd argue as supporters we are anything but passive, I think in an interview a while ago Hamer said the fan base was far more interested in the off the field issues than he or the owners could have anticipated. As for this competition, hasn't the "boycott" worked pretty well up to this date? Having a chat on the forum or in the pub isn’t asking questions. It’s just moaning. You have to actually direct a question at somebody for it to be anything other than just rhetorical. There’s never been any real organised questioning of the club in anyway, Christ we’ve spent the thick end of 20 years propping up the morons running the show with a share scheme that provides members with... no shares. As for the boycott, it’s certainly done ok but with an attendance of 2,016 people are certainly sneaking back in to make the most of Rovers success and cheap tickets. That’s their choice, it’s just a shame that people can’t see it through.
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Post by Peter Parker on Jan 23, 2019 5:38:28 GMT
No interest in the competition, but a win and prize money is welcome
Well done to the team if nothing else
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Post by Igitur on Jan 23, 2019 7:58:28 GMT
Not been to a new Checkatrade format game, I really hate the format and realise the possible consequences, but I also follow Rovers with a somewhat irrational passion. I also realise that Joe six-pack on the terrace has no say in what goes on in the EFL, boycotts or not, the clowns at the top have the power. I am amongst those who have spoken out, but also I am amongst those happy enough with the rag-tag stadium etc etc; the day a Rovers player gets off some plush coach with earphones in and walks straight by me without even looking will be a sad one. At least we are getting some money and confidence in this competition. Pray for Bury at home which will be tough enough, as any other draw will, I think, see the bubble burst. Quite significant no U21s made it any further than the quarters, last year's winner knocked the last U21 team out on pens in the semis. Whatever, we have another year of the format to come, Prem sides must see some kind of use for entering their sides else they would not do it; if they really wanted to muscle in on the EFL with B sides they would. Harvey and co would see kerching with the extra TV money.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2019 11:16:37 GMT
The result can't be anything but positive for us. Regardless of what anyone thinks about the competition, the confidence of a good win has to help. It also gives the manager ideas about tinkering, which served Darrell well for 4 and a half years.
See you all at Wembley. UTG.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2019 11:23:11 GMT
The result can't be anything but positive for us. Regardless of what anyone thinks about the competition, the confidence of a good win has to help. It also gives the manager ideas about tinkering, which served Darrell well for 4 and a half years. See you all at Wembley. UTG. 18/09/2019 - Bristol Rovers 2 - 0 West Ham United u21's 22/09/2019 - Bristol Rovers 3 - 1 Coventry City
09/10/2019 - Bristol Rovers 2 - 0 Yeovil Town 13/10/2019 - Burton Albion 1 - 0 Bristol Rovers
13/11/2019 - Exeter City 2 - 0 Bristol Rovers 17/11/2019 - Bristol Rovers 1 - 2 Scunthorpe United
05/12/2019 - Swansea City u21's 1 - 2 Bristol Rovers 08/12/2019 - Bristol Rovers 0 - 4 Doncaster Rovers
I don't think it really has any sway on League performance negative or positive tbh.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2019 11:25:09 GMT
I'm not sure I get your last point. The forums and social media seem to almost be an echo chamber of people asking questions and sometimes bashing the club at every opportunity, you get involved in almost any conversation on a match day at the mem and you get the same. I'd argue as supporters we are anything but passive, I think in an interview a while ago Hamer said the fan base was far more interested in the off the field issues than he or the owners could have anticipated. As for this competition, hasn't the "boycott" worked pretty well up to this date? Having a chat on the forum or in the pub isn’t asking questions. It’s just moaning. You have to actually direct a question at somebody for it to be anything other than just rhetorical. There’s never been any real organised questioning of the club in anyway, Christ we’ve spent the thick end of 20 years propping up the morons running the show with a share scheme that provides members with... no shares. As for the boycott, it’s certainly done ok but with an attendance of 2,016 people are certainly sneaking back in to make the most of Rovers success and cheap tickets. That’s their choice, it’s just a shame that people can’t see it through. Look at all the protest threads on AssChat, when it comes down to it people love a moan on the internet but when it comes to actually taking action it gets shouted down because people dont want negativity near the team on a matchday. It makes me wonder what makes our fans so insipid? Fans are generally fans countrywide, no more special or different than any other... ...and yet I ask myself would City or West Ham put up with an ownership like ours that looks to be just treading water? What is it that makes a fanbase perceived to be so docile while another you might think wouldn't tolerate it? Is it because the likes of City and West Ham have a reputstion for kicking off? I wonder with us if it's our demographic, it seems to be a known issue that our fanbase is getting on in years because the youth are all going elsewhere. Do the older crowd have any ambition for the club or are they happy just to have a team to support? I judge us by our potential, our crowds are up there with those with far better stadia in this division and yet others seem happy to think of our potential in Accrington terms, lucky to be in league one with our natural level being league two. The inability to dream big and demand better really frustrates me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2019 11:28:54 GMT
The result can't be anything but positive for us. Regardless of what anyone thinks about the competition, the confidence of a good win has to help. It also gives the manager ideas about tinkering, which served Darrell well for 4 and a half years. See you all at Wembley. UTG. 18/09/2019 - Bristol Rovers 2 - 0 West Ham United u21's 22/09/2019 - Bristol Rovers 3 - 1 Coventry City
09/10/2019 - Bristol Rovers 2 - 0 Yeovil Town 13/10/2019 - Burton Albion 1 - 0 Bristol Rovers
13/11/2019 - Exeter City 2 - 0 Bristol Rovers 17/11/2019 - Bristol Rovers 1 - 2 Scunthorpe United
05/12/2019 - Swansea City u21's 1 - 2 Bristol Rovers 08/12/2019 - Bristol Rovers 0 - 4 Doncaster Rovers
I don't think it really has any sway on League performance negative or positive tbh.
We won't be losing this weekend.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2019 11:30:14 GMT
WMGas, when do the protests start then? Count me out by the way, happy being apathetic.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2019 11:31:14 GMT
18/09/2019 - Bristol Rovers 2 - 0 West Ham United u21's 22/09/2019 - Bristol Rovers 3 - 1 Coventry City
09/10/2019 - Bristol Rovers 2 - 0 Yeovil Town 13/10/2019 - Burton Albion 1 - 0 Bristol Rovers
13/11/2019 - Exeter City 2 - 0 Bristol Rovers 17/11/2019 - Bristol Rovers 1 - 2 Scunthorpe United
05/12/2019 - Swansea City u21's 1 - 2 Bristol Rovers 08/12/2019 - Bristol Rovers 0 - 4 Doncaster Rovers
I don't think it really has any sway on League performance negative or positive tbh.
We won't be losing this weekend. We've already lost hearts and minds.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2019 12:09:35 GMT
WMGas, when do the protests start then? Count me out by the way, happy being apathetic. Each to their own, the issue I have is not to those who do not wish to partake but those who are actually opposed to protesting because they don't want the team to get upset about it. A protest would need to be properly supported otherwise there is no point. Having Gasheads fighting in the car park because they object to the format that the protest takes is not the best way forward.
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Post by fatherjackhackett on Jan 23, 2019 12:29:38 GMT
Having a chat on the forum or in the pub isn’t asking questions. It’s just moaning. You have to actually direct a question at somebody for it to be anything other than just rhetorical. There’s never been any real organised questioning of the club in anyway, Christ we’ve spent the thick end of 20 years propping up the morons running the show with a share scheme that provides members with... no shares. As for the boycott, it’s certainly done ok but with an attendance of 2,016 people are certainly sneaking back in to make the most of Rovers success and cheap tickets. That’s their choice, it’s just a shame that people can’t see it through. Look at all the protest threads on AssChat, when it comes down to it people love a moan on the internet but when it comes to actually taking action it gets shouted down because people dont want negativity near the team on a matchday. It makes me wonder what makes our fans so insipid? Fans are generally fans countrywide, no more special or different than any other... ...and yet I ask myself would City or West Ham put up with an ownership like ours that looks to be just treading water? What is it that makes a fanbase perceived to be so docile while another you might think wouldn't tolerate it? Is it because the likes of City and West Ham have a reputstion for kicking off? I wonder with us if it's our demographic, it seems to be a known issue that our fanbase is getting on in years because the youth are all going elsewhere. Do the older crowd have any ambition for the club or are they happy just to have a team to support? I judge us by our potential, our crowds are up there with those with far better stadia in this division and yet others seem happy to think of our potential in Accrington terms, lucky to be in league one with our natural level being league two. The inability to dream big and demand better really frustrates me. I thought the Bolton fans on Monday were inspiring, getting 4000 to take part in a march. We’d struggle to get 40, staying in the pub is far more important to Gasheads than making a public point about how badly the club is being managed. Has always been the same.
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Post by DudeLebowski on Jan 23, 2019 12:37:49 GMT
If folk feel so passionately about ‘taking action’, has anyone even tried seriously rallying the troops at any point for a Bolton style demo? Or just on here moaning how most of us are happy accepting how things are.
“No one will join in anyway” isn’t really an answer, if you’re as serious as claimed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2019 13:31:09 GMT
If folk feel so passionately about ‘taking action’, has anyone even tried seriously rallying the troops at any point for a Bolton style demo? Or just on here moaning how most of us are happy accepting how things are. “No one will join in anyway” isn’t really an answer, if you’re as serious as claimed. A lone geezer wrapped in a tabard isn't going to achieve anything. Perhaps using an internet forum as representative of the fanbase's opinions is not the best sample but it is noticeable how most are not just ambivalent, they are strongly opposed to protesting on a match day. We have all seen fights down the Mem, football fans rarely tolerate those with different opinions. I feel a protest needs a general attitude of "fine, do what you want but I will support the team" to get started rather than some of the more emotion laden responses I've seen to attempts to rouse support for a protest. Plus our fanbase has a proud history of failing to get any sort of serious protest off the ground. We simply are not capable of any long term campaign that other fans have managed. Judging by the two forums most BRFC fans just want a match to go to on a Saturday, they would like better owners in an ideal world but as long as the debts are still being covered they don't feel that strongly about it....unless Higgs was to walk back through the door. That might get a bit of a reaction.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2019 13:53:46 GMT
If folk feel so passionately about ‘taking action’, has anyone even tried seriously rallying the troops at any point for a Bolton style demo? Or just on here moaning how most of us are happy accepting how things are. “No one will join in anyway” isn’t really an answer, if you’re as serious as claimed. Well said. Standing around shouting is fine, if that makes you feel better, but if you want to be taken seriously it may be a good idea to know what are trying to achieve. Hard to see Wael and Hani suddenly changing their modus operandi because people are yelling and waving signs demanding that things should be better, I think they already know that. Whilst we are on the subject, looking forward to Tommy's summary of his meeting with Hamer and his action plan for whatever it is that he wants to try to achieve, but if it involves Masters then I don't hold out much hope. Ken's plan will be to try to put his arm around Tommy's shoulder, pull him into the fold and get him to do the work.
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Post by harrybuckle on Jan 23, 2019 17:57:03 GMT
As Banksy would say Apathy for keyboard warriors rule ok##
I always write 'Fight' on the mirrors - that goes way back to the times when you had to fight apathy. Ron Moody
I understand the Club gets £50k for the quarter final win and got £10k for previous trophy wins will help to keep Sercs and help with compo for DC. £100K for Checkatrade Winners plus tv fees...whats not to like ?
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Post by trymer on Jan 24, 2019 10:53:39 GMT
If folk feel so passionately about ‘taking action’, has anyone even tried seriously rallying the troops at any point for a Bolton style demo? Or just on here moaning how most of us are happy accepting how things are. “No one will join in anyway” isn’t really an answer, if you’re as serious as claimed. A lone geezer wrapped in a tabard isn't going to achieve anything. Perhaps using an internet forum as representative of the fanbase's opinions is not the best sample but it is noticeable how most are not just ambivalent, they are strongly opposed to protesting on a match day. We have all seen fights down the Mem, football fans rarely tolerate those with different opinions. I feel a protest needs a general attitude of "fine, do what you want but I will support the team" to get started rather than some of the more emotion laden responses I've seen to attempts to rouse support for a protest. Plus our fanbase has a proud history of failing to get any sort of serious protest off the ground. We simply are not capable of any long term campaign that other fans have managed. Judging by the two forums most BRFC fans just want a match to go to on a Saturday, they would like better owners in an ideal world but as long as the debts are still being covered they don't feel that strongly about it....unless Higgs was to walk back through the door. That might get a bit of a reaction. I don't like the owners either but they are the owners,its not like a government where if theres enough protests (like in France) you might swing public opinion and vote them out at an election. Although supporters invest a lot of emotion in supporting their chosen club to the owners the supporters are just customers and the club is a business. The only way to make the owners of a business take any notice is to stop giving them your money,and it looks like quite a few people have done that and more will follow them.
A couple of scenarios, 1.You always have fish and chips on a Saturday night,always use the same chip shop and have done for 10 or 20 or 30 years and you always have Haddock. One day the chip shop gets sold to some foreign owners who introduce Kebabs to the menu but take Haddock,Plaice and Rock Salmon off. Now you can ask nicely for them to reintroduce Haddock but if they don't want to you have a choice,its either Kebabs or find another chip shop.
2.Your family have always used the local pub,your granddad and your dad took you for your first pint when you were 18 and 40 years later you are still a regular. The amount of regulars drops over the years but old Joe the landlord is happy that you are all still keeping his business going and when he starts charging £20 to get into the pub on New years eve he gives you and the other regulars a free ticket. Old Joe retires and the new owner asks you if you want a ticket for New years eve ,you say yes and he says the tickets are £20,you say but old Joe gave us regulars free tickets and the new landlord says well its £20 a ticket for everyone now.....what are you going to do ? you can moan,tell him to shove his tickets or call him a **** but unless you withdraw your custom (and hope a few others do the same) it wont change things.
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Jan 24, 2019 11:01:05 GMT
Fixed mindset people are real bores. This tournament has always been rubbish until the semis appear on the horizon. Always been weakened sides until then too, a chance to give the bench sitters a run out. There's no way that U21 teams will ever play in Leagues 1 & 2.
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