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Post by phillistine on Aug 5, 2014 12:30:09 GMT
I find some of your posts Swiss realistic but depressing at the same time. Lets just see what happens if the thing is built Wow you are something of a defeatist . I actually put in my thread that Rovers have never actually stated clearly what the other activities are that they intend to bring in but i think it is fair to say that they will be researched, promoted and run by a professional company rather than left to chance. You dont spent over £30 million on a project without researching its use and running it properly. It also stands to reason that they will work with UWE to compliment its activities rather than compete against it. Unless I am mistaken the UWE facilities are restricted in that they are used by the students and so the facilities will not be available a lot of the time. Secondly the UWE can cope with up to 300 people and there is a huge gap in the Bristol market for venues catering for 500+. Presently the only place that can satisfy such demand is Ashton Gate and then it is very congested and lets face it pretty poor facilities . Having said that it can work well if a number of venues work in close proximity - look how many exhibition halls there are at the NEC. If People start to think of Bristol as a location for venues then the chances are that more people will get to hear of it and more events will happen. As someone who has tried in the past to stage events in Bristol, I suspect that we could do with another 2 or 3 of this type of venue - Bristol is a hub for the South West and will attract business that presently goes over the Bridge.
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Post by irishrover on Aug 5, 2014 12:43:59 GMT
UWE is going to be in a fantastic location to be a conference venue As of this season the Mem is already a Conference venue (boom-boom)! That is why I am struggling to muster much enthusiasm this time around. I'm struggling to look past the fact that for most of the last 15 years we've been in a division that we thought was beneath us and nearly every season we went in thinking 'this is it, this is the season we finally get out of it' to not just fail to get up but actively struggle and in the end get relegated. I can't get in the least bit excited about Rovers being in the Conference - I struggled with the idea of Rovers in League 2 to be honest. Can't see very much in what we've done so far to suggest we're going to get out of it first time of asking, I really can't really see anything particularly great in the squad we have, so frankly I'd be 'happy' with anything better than a relegation scrap. So very realistic here, bordering on the suicidally so.
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Post by swissgas on Aug 5, 2014 13:22:26 GMT
I find some of your posts Swiss realistic but depressing at the same time. Lets just see what happens if the thing is built Wow you are something of a defeatist . I actually put in my thread that Rovers have never actually stated clearly what the other activities are that they intend to bring in but i think it is fair to say that they will be researched, promoted and run by a professional company rather than left to chance. You dont spent over £30 million on a project without researching its use and running it properly. It also stands to reason that they will work with UWE to compliment its activities rather than compete against it. Unless I am mistaken the UWE facilities are restricted in that they are used by the students and so the facilities will not be available a lot of the time. Secondly the UWE can cope with up to 300 people and there is a huge gap in the Bristol market for venues catering for 500+. Presently the only place that can satisfy such demand is Ashton Gate and then it is very congested and lets face it pretty poor facilities . Having said that it can work well if a number of venues work in close proximity - look how many exhibition halls there are at the NEC. If People start to think of Bristol as a location for venues then the chances are that more people will get to hear of it and more events will happen. As someone who has tried in the past to stage events in Bristol, I suspect that we could do with another 2 or 3 of this type of venue - Bristol is a hub for the South West and will attract business that presently goes over the Bridge. The UWE website does say their conference facilities are for between 20 and 1500 delegates And their sports centre is for "students, staff and the wider community to enjoy" It would normally be true to say "you don't spend over 30 million on a project without researching it's use and running it properly" But equally it would be true to say "you don't spend over 10 million on a football club without researching it's use and running it properly " I'm not trying to be a clever dick philistine I hope you get my drift. You are trying to provide far more detail as to why there will be demand for the facilities at the stadium than the board has done which is good. It's so easy to get heads nodding by talking about revenue streams but when you run a business you know the key ingredients for success are cash, genuine demand and an ability to beat the competition. Do Rovers have these ingredients ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 13:58:11 GMT
well the season starts saturday but i just cant get my head around several posters on here putting the team and players down until we see them in competitive action it dosnt make any sense to me
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 14:43:12 GMT
I find some of your posts Swiss realistic but depressing at the same time. Lets just see what happens if the thing is built Wow you are something of a defeatist . I actually put in my thread that Rovers have never actually stated clearly what the other activities are that they intend to bring in but i think it is fair to say that they will be researched, promoted and run by a professional company rather than left to chance. You dont spent over £30 million on a project without researching its use and running it properly. It also stands to reason that they will work with UWE to compliment its activities rather than compete against it. Unless I am mistaken the UWE facilities are restricted in that they are used by the students and so the facilities will not be available a lot of the time. Secondly the UWE can cope with up to 300 people and there is a huge gap in the Bristol market for venues catering for 500+. Presently the only place that can satisfy such demand is Ashton Gate and then it is very congested and lets face it pretty poor facilities . Having said that it can work well if a number of venues work in close proximity - look how many exhibition halls there are at the NEC. If People start to think of Bristol as a location for venues then the chances are that more people will get to hear of it and more events will happen. As someone who has tried in the past to stage events in Bristol, I suspect that we could do with another 2 or 3 of this type of venue - Bristol is a hub for the South West and will attract business that presently goes over the Bridge. If BRFC follow the same route as Cardiff did with their new stadium which is to have a outside management company run the stadium facilities on behalf of the club then maybe we have a chance ??
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Post by clockendgas on Aug 5, 2014 14:51:57 GMT
What will be will be, watched most of baths games first season in the conference, played some great passing football with a certain mr murrey and russell and they beat newport, cambridge and gave luton and good game but still only finished tenth, so it will be very tough but we have what bath didnt and thats a big crowd to get behind the team and on the backs of the smaller clubs who will only bring fifty fans, and the money that generates to build a stronger team bringing success, so try ffs to be postive or maybe go shopping with the missus saturday!! UTG
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Post by brizzle on Aug 5, 2014 14:57:26 GMT
On occasions it ain't what you say, it's the way that you say it. And as I remember it he wasn't ridiculed for just the one comment, but several crass outpourings. Sadly we were in free-fall at the time but failed to realise it, but so was he . . . at least as far as BRFC was concerned. The reality is that BRFC is now in the Vanarama Conference, and he is working in New York. But things could have been so different, if only Buckle had been able to keep his mouth shut, and concentrate his efforts on his work and not the wider audience. His record at Torquay was good enough to get him the job here, and he had limited success after leaving us. And this is where he's at now . . . On the surface it appears to be a ''good'' appointment for him. Timing and (good) luck appear to be the key here, as well as keeping yer trap shut and getting on with it.
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Post by swissgas on Aug 5, 2014 15:43:21 GMT
But things could have been so different, if only Buckle had been able to keep his mouth shut, and concentrate his efforts on his work and not the wider audience. His record at Torquay was good enough to get him the job here, and he had limited success after leaving us. And this is where he's at now . . . On the surface it appears to be a ''good'' appointment for him. Timing and (good) luck appear to be the key here, as well as keeping yer trap shut and getting on with it. If Paul Buckle had been managed effectively I think he could have succeeded. No doubt this board of directors at Metropolitan Oval are making sure his strengths are exploited and his weaknesses addressed. Chuck Jacob is an attorney and partner in Miller & Wrubel P.C. Chuck was one of the founders of the Long Island Rough Riders, Long Island Lady Riders and Brooklyn Knights of the United Soccer Leagues (USL), prior to co-founding the Metropolitan Oval Foundation. Chuck is in the USL Hall of Fame in the “Builders” category. A graduate of Yale University and Columbia Law School, he is also chair of the Design & Construction Committee of the Board of the Prospect Park Alliance. Valerie Jacob is the Chairperson of Fried, Frank, Harris, Shriver & Jacobson. She joined the Firm in 1978 and also serves as the head of the Firm’s Global Capital Markets Group. Valerie has been a director of the Metropolitan Oval Foundation since its inception in 1998, and has been a manager of many successful youth teams since then. Alex Maffeo is Vice President at the private equity firm Inter-Atlantic Group, where he focuses on venture and growth capital investments. He is a former goalkeeper for the U.S. youth national team and a product of the New Jersey club Player Development Academy. Alex was also a four-year letter winner on the soccer team at Columbia University, and holds a B.A. in Political Science. Jeffrey Saunders is an Emmy-nominated filmmaker and founder of CinemaCapital, a film production company and a founder of 10,000 Hours, a sports consultancy company. He has worked with companies including MLB, Nike, Reebok, ESPN as well as soccer clubs around the world, including Ajax in the Netherlands and YSC Sports (Philadelphia Unions youth partner). Jeffrey is a member of the Hobart and William Smith Colleges Hall of Fame, where he was captain and a two time first-team All-American on their soccer team and subsequently played in Europe and Asia. Charlie Jacob is an associate at the international law firm Freshfields Bruckhaus Deringer, where he focuses on global investigations and complex litigation. Charlie grew up playing at the Oval and went on to become a four-year letter winner on the soccer team at Columbia University. He has a J.D. from Northwestern University School of Law and has served as a fellow to the Sandra Day O’Connor Project on the State of the Judiciary, where he assisted Justice Sandra Day O’Connor in speech preparation. Kim Wyant was the first-ever Goalkeeper for the US Women’s National Team, appearing in the inaugural US game in Italy in 1985. She has sixteen international caps and in 2008 was given the ‘Special Recognition Award by the National Soccer Hall of Fame honoring her contribution to the winning way of the Women’s National Team. She is also in the USL and Long Island Soccer Halls of Fame. Kim is a US Soccer licensed coach, holds an NSCAA Premier Diploma, and a Psychology degree from UCF. Chris Welch is is a Principal and Senior Portfolio Manager at Welch Capital Partners, LLC, an investment management company focusing on public securities. Chris is a three-year letter winner for the Harvard University soccer team as part of a squad that went to the NCAA Division 1 semi-finals in 1986 and 1987. Chris holds both an AB in Economics and MBA from Harvard University. Chris is currently the Treasurer for the Board of Trustees of the Berkeley Carroll School. Michelle Mackay is an Executive Vice President of Investments and Head of Capital Markets for iStar Financial, a publicly traded Real Estate Investment Trust. Michelle grew up playing soccer in Connecticut, participated in the ODP program and played on a variety of women’s teams club teams including the Annandale Wildfire. Michelle is a graduate of the University of Connecticut, and holds an MBA from the University of Hartford. I guess this list is like the ones Gashead Wes used to post about up and coming footballing talent.
My point is that if Rovers continue to keep the door closed and don't go out and seek talented and dynamic individuals like these to rejuvenate the club then it's hard to see how they will ever transform it into a 21st century organization.
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Post by mancgas has left the building on Aug 5, 2014 16:09:25 GMT
I dont think that people realise just what a change UWE is going to make to Rovers. At present we derive income from Football and the odd non footballing event such as car boot sales etc. UWE is going to be a much more prestigious stadium and will earn additional income that we are presently not enjoying from the additional activities that will be based there. I havent seen specific details but I notice that there is mention of offices and we all know that Fleetwood has been transformed due to the income they derived when their owner based his company at the stadium. Cardiff City Stadium is earning a lot of income from conferences and just being a venue. UWE is going to be in a fantastic location to be a conference venue- if indeed that is planned- as Bristol sadly lacks a major venue. It wont be just a matter of moving to UWE and carrying on as we are . If a shopkeeper moves from a small shop to a much larger modern one , they dont do that just to carry on as they are. They refit, buy in additional stock and earn additional income from a premises which is planned for the current economic climate. This is not fantsy this is realism. Problem is we've asked for estimates / forecasts on improvements to cashflow and profitability plus basis for these and blank faces and silence is the answer. It may well be a bigger stadium, and shinier, but as well as a 'build it and they will come', there is also a 'build it and they will hold conferences and seminars there' mentality, built on nothing more than hope luck and chemistry. I am not surprised given the Financial Mis-Controller publicly stated we were only ever in danger of relegation for 70 minutes of the whole of last season and hence he hadn't planned for it or done a financial forecast of the cost of it. I do have some experience of shiny but empty stadia. My firm were asked to sponsor part of Huddersfield's new stadia and activities there as they soon found no one wanted to rent space there and it was by and large shiny and empty apart from Town or Giants games.As part of the deal we had free use of exec boxes and conference rooms whenever we wanted and soon found we didnt even need to book. Slowly I understand they have started to get a lot more firms using it, due to success on field in both footy and league rugby. But it came that way round - success bred success, but the improved brand of football and rugby brought the business in, not the other way around. Maybe UWE will use it rather than their n1000 yards of meeting rooms and conference facilities, but you wouldnt bet on them paying for it would you..... Plus Fleetwood isnt a great example as there the owner shows in the books he is giving rent to himself, rather than paying rent to other people for other premises. In doing so he can use the FFP rules to his advantage as he can charge himself top notch rents, whilst I'd say it was a reasonable bet he coupld actually get cheaper accom for his businesses elsewhere in the town. None of our directors have such active businesses that will cause them to pay us anything, fictitiously or in cash terms.
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Post by brfc on Aug 5, 2014 16:52:22 GMT
5. The club is skint so we have to do the best we can with the players we have think im still in shock how we gone down the pan last few years...problem we got if we start saying we don't expect to do well..we then start excepting it,,,think if we get off to a good start,,,thats worth its weight in gold,,,,the fans get behind the club,,,may be the rest follows,,,,what keeps me going,,,knowing our reds friends cant wait to take the piss,im 100pc gas,,so going to back the team,,not slag them off,,easy to do that,,,,utg
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