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Post by stevek192 on Dec 9, 2018 11:32:24 GMT
The clown is the owners. Hamer probably does a decent day to day job for the club just some people take to criticise his every move. DC discloses things that a man in his position shouldn't or should I say if he is not happy with the situation then resign.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Dec 9, 2018 11:49:29 GMT
Well, that puts to bed the stuff some people have been posting as fact about him having his budget cut for this season. Why do people do this, pretend that they know stuff? They just end up looking stupid? I counted 2 people in Box 1 today. The last mob were comically bad at running the club, but at least they turned up. Here's a suggestion, Hamer can go on Monday, whatever we are paying him, based on visible output, is too much, that'll free some funds up. Wael doesn't use box one anymore. He was at the game apparently. Agreed on Hamer. I'm disgusted that in the current era of food banks the club is paying someone 72k to do what appears to be the square root of bugger all. There appears to be so much nepotism and waste running through the middle management. Money wasted on needless salaries and an office in London that could be spent on quality scouts to try and improve the rank bad recruitment that has done for us this season. Well said and very true
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Post by alloutofgas on Dec 9, 2018 14:59:20 GMT
Well, that puts to bed the stuff some people have been posting as fact about him having his budget cut for this season. Why do people do this, pretend that they know stuff? They just end up looking stupid? I counted 2 people in Box 1 today. The last mob were comically bad at running the club, but at least they turned up. Here's a suggestion, Hamer can go on Monday, whatever we are paying him, based on visible output, is too much, that'll free some funds up. Wael doesn't use box one anymore. He was at the game apparently. Agreed on Hamer. I'm disgusted that in the current era of food banks the club is paying someone 72k to do what appears to be the square root of bugger all. There appears to be so much nepotism and waste running through the middle management. Money wasted on needless salaries and an office in London that could be spent on quality scouts to try and improve the rank bad recruitment that has done for us this season. Box 13 apparently.
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Post by swissgas on Dec 9, 2018 15:08:42 GMT
Wael doesn't use box one anymore. He was at the game apparently. Agreed on Hamer. I'm disgusted that in the current era of food banks the club is paying someone 72k to do what appears to be the square root of bugger all. There appears to be so much nepotism and waste running through the middle management. Money wasted on needless salaries and an office in London that could be spent on quality scouts to try and improve the rank bad recruitment that has done for us this season. Box 13 apparently. Take Your Pick ? There were 10 boxes numbered from 1 to 10. Three of them would contain booby prizes, one would contain a card awarding a star prize (e.g., a small car or vacation package), and six would contain cards announcing other prizes (e.g., appliances, furniture, or a "treasure chest" of cash . No-one, including the host, knew what each box contained. Contestants would be asked general-knowledge questions. If they answered three out of four questions correctly, they picked a key from a set of ten, corresponding to one of the first ten boxes. The host would then try to buy back the key with increasing amounts of cash, up to about £50. One box also included a key to box 13, which would trigger another round of bidding while the contestant had to choose between their first prize, cash, or box 13 which could have an expensive household item or a booby prize.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 16:24:36 GMT
Take Your Pick ? There were 10 boxes numbered from 1 to 10. Three of them would contain booby prizes, one would contain a card awarding a star prize (e.g., a small car or vacation package), and six would contain cards announcing other prizes (e.g., appliances, furniture, or a "treasure chest" of cash . No-one, including the host, knew what each box contained. Contestants would be asked general-knowledge questions. If they answered three out of four questions correctly, they picked a key from a set of ten, corresponding to one of the first ten boxes. The host would then try to buy back the key with increasing amounts of cash, up to about £50. One box also included a key to box 13, which would trigger another round of bidding while the contestant had to choose between their first prize, cash, or box 13 which could have an expensive household item or a booby prize. Michael Miles was it not? Open the box!!!! Take the money!!!!!!
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Post by swissgas on Dec 9, 2018 16:33:34 GMT
Take Your Pick ? There were 10 boxes numbered from 1 to 10. Three of them would contain booby prizes, one would contain a card awarding a star prize (e.g., a small car or vacation package), and six would contain cards announcing other prizes (e.g., appliances, furniture, or a "treasure chest" of cash . No-one, including the host, knew what each box contained. Contestants would be asked general-knowledge questions. If they answered three out of four questions correctly, they picked a key from a set of ten, corresponding to one of the first ten boxes. The host would then try to buy back the key with increasing amounts of cash, up to about £50. One box also included a key to box 13, which would trigger another round of bidding while the contestant had to choose between their first prize, cash, or box 13 which could have an expensive household item or a booby prize. Michael Miles was it not? Open the box!!!! Take the money!!!!!! Yes, that's it, and of course there was the 1960's counterpart with Hughie Green ..... Double your money, without any hitch Double your money, we ain't got no pitch Double your money, there's nowhere to play But this is the Rovers, fans don't have a say ! I shouldn't joke about what is really quite a serious situation but it does relieve the tension
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Post by Peter Parker on Dec 9, 2018 16:38:42 GMT
The clown is the owners. Hamer probably does a decent day to day job for the club just some people take to criticise his every move. DC discloses things that a man in his position shouldn't or should I say if he is not happy with the situation then resign. Why should DC resign? I dont think he wants to leave and I dont mean just because he has a good contract. He genuinely seems to want to do well here. Sometimes he moans quite a bit, but I think he is just trying to force change and i no doubt think it would be similar if the previous owners were still here
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 16:52:54 GMT
The clown is the owners. Hamer probably does a decent day to day job for the club just some people take to criticise his every move. DC discloses things that a man in his position shouldn't or should I say if he is not happy with the situation then resign. Why should DC resign? I dont think he wants to leave and I dont mean just because he has a good contract. He genuinely seems to want to do well here. Sometimes he moans quite a bit, but I think he is just trying to force change and i no doubt think it would be similar if the previous owners were still here I think that he’s in a fairly unsackable position. Never before have I known a manager who has taken the club into a relegation position have almost universal support. The owners could sack him but they would face a huge backlash and they would also have to find the cash to pay up his contract and they don’t appear to be willing to part with cash at the moment.
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Post by eppinggas on Dec 9, 2018 17:10:35 GMT
We aren't like 'other Clubs'. Our supporters aren't like 'other supporters'. I'm backing DC and I think most Gas still do, despite our relegation position and dire football. Besides which it's kind of a moot point. DC has said he won't resign and as philton says - Dwane Sports won't sack him as they would face a massive backlash.
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Post by JeffNZ on Dec 9, 2018 17:17:11 GMT
Why should DC resign? I dont think he wants to leave and I dont mean just because he has a good contract. He genuinely seems to want to do well here. Sometimes he moans quite a bit, but I think he is just trying to force change and i no doubt think it would be similar if the previous owners were still here I think that he’s in a fairly unsackable position. Never before have I known a manager who has taken the club into a relegation position have almost universal support. The owners could sack him but they would face a huge backlash and they would also have to find the cash to pay up his contract and they don’t appear to be willing to part with cash at the moment. Unless of course the owners play the 'serious breach of contract' card for DC's outburst. Then no payout would be due. Agree with previous poster though in that they would face a backlash from a large chunk of Gasheads if they sacked DC.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 17:30:00 GMT
Why should DC resign? I dont think he wants to leave and I dont mean just because he has a good contract. He genuinely seems to want to do well here. Sometimes he moans quite a bit, but I think he is just trying to force change and i no doubt think it would be similar if the previous owners were still here I think that he’s in a fairly unsackable position. Never before have I known a manager who has taken the club into a relegation position have almost universal support. The owners could sack him but they would face a huge backlash and they would also have to find the cash to pay up his contract and they don’t appear to be willing to part with cash at the moment. Just a thought they may not have to. By DC's own admission he has had his wrists slapped a few times for his public outbursts which they could interpret as warnings and this latest one could be either treated as a final warning or misconduct after repeated warnings and could warrant instant dismissal with no compensation that may be their way of thinking I don't know
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Post by eppinggas on Dec 9, 2018 17:53:15 GMT
If he has had formal written warnings and was on a 'one more strike and you're out' (ie next time we will fire you for gross misconduct)... then I don't think he would have said the things he said. IMHO - there is certainly not enough in what he said here as a one off to constitute gross misconduct. Firing people - in any kind of business is a pretty difficult process. Let's back him. DC IS ONE OF US.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 18:03:48 GMT
If he has had formal written warnings and was on a 'one more strike and you're out' (ie next time we will fire you for gross misconduct)... then I don't think he would have said the things he said. IMHO - there is certainly not enough in what he said here as a one off to constitute gross misconduct. Firing people - in any kind of business is a pretty difficult process. Let's back him. DC IS ONE OF US. Just trying to think how the aqs might be thinking and how seriously the raps were made.i know how difficult it is to sack an employee been there done it but you never know how non British people think they in some cases have a different philosophy to us and that is not being racist in any way and they may also think let's get rid and fight it out in a tribunal at a later date who knows?
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Post by a more piratey game on Dec 9, 2018 18:06:34 GMT
it's pretty easy to sack people if you're prepared to pay IMO
certainly easy when compared to many of the things involved in running a football club
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Post by eppinggas on Dec 9, 2018 20:18:36 GMT
it's pretty easy to sack people if you're prepared to pay IMO certainly easy when compared to many of the things involved in running a football club If you sack someone legitimatley, you don't have to pay!!! They cannot sack Darrell. I don't think Darrell would take a pay-off. He's said he's here to stay and fight. And I believe him. Look and listen to the interview. He cares. Darrell - top bloke. Dwane Sports can f*ck off and take Crazy Steve, the invisible CEO and all the other f******g 'senior hires' dragging my Football Club into the sh*t. So just to be clear... DWANE SPORTS F*CK OFF.
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Post by fatherjackhackett on Dec 9, 2018 20:36:17 GMT
it's pretty easy to sack people if you're prepared to pay IMO certainly easy when compared to many of the things involved in running a football club If you sack someone legitimatley, you don't have to pay!!! They cannot sack Darrell. I don't think Darrell would take a pay-off. He's said he's here to stay and fight. And I believe him. Look and listen to the interview. He cares. Darrell - top bloke. Dwane Sports can f*ck off and take Crazy Steve, the invisible CEO and all the other f******g 'senior hires' dragging my Football Club into the sh*t. So just to be clear... DWANE SPORTS F*CK OFF. To be replaced by who? It’s very easy typing eff off to the board on a keyboard, and lets be honest that’s all that 99.9% of the fan base will ever do, but what realistic options are out there. In the absence of any white knight I’m increasingly coming round to something as suggested by Vaughan previously. Either we organise ourselves properly as fans, or nothing will change. That is the stark and simple choice we have.
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Post by vaughan on Dec 9, 2018 21:06:35 GMT
There really is no alternative in my opinion.
A stand, a training ground, or something that says there is "f'ing something" moving. Words from DC.
But there is no collective will to do this and there is still a pretence that they are business-men with a plan.
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Post by eppinggas on Dec 9, 2018 21:24:22 GMT
If you sack someone legitimatley, you don't have to pay!!! They cannot sack Darrell. I don't think Darrell would take a pay-off. He's said he's here to stay and fight. And I believe him. Look and listen to the interview. He cares. Darrell - top bloke. Dwane Sports can f*ck off and take Crazy Steve, the invisible CEO and all the other f******g 'senior hires' dragging my Football Club into the sh*t. So just to be clear... DWANE SPORTS F*CK OFF. To be replaced by who? It’s very easy typing eff off to the board on a keyboard, and lets be honest that’s all that 99.9% of the fan base will ever do, but what realistic options are out there. In the absence of any white knight I’m increasingly coming round to something as suggested by Vaughan previously. Either we organise ourselves properly as fans, or nothing will change. That is the stark and simple choice we have. So the Ed Ware consortium is now dead? Is there no-one else? No more white knights (in satin or otherwise)? But we know Dwane Sports won't even listen to any idea of any fan involvement a la "Hearts model". If we are stuck with Dwane Sports for the foreseeable future we are f*cked. F*c*ing right royally f*cked. F*c*ity f**k*ity fuc*ed f*cked f*cked. F*ck. It's not easy writing "eff off" over and over again. But I'll give it a shot.
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Post by swissgas on Dec 9, 2018 21:42:22 GMT
There really is no alternative in my opinion. A stand, a training ground, or something that says there is "f'ing something" moving. Words from DC. But there is no collective will to do this and there is still a pretence that they are business-men with a plan. Vaughan, I am sorry I could not take up your sausage offer but perhaps next time. The Foundation of Hearts which we have discussed in the past is certainly a model to aspire to. On their board they have accountants a solicitor a former bricklayer and a marketing man but most importantly they have 8000 members all of whom contribute financially. www.foundationofhearts.org/we-are/But, as you say, the problem at Rovers is there is no collective will to do anything and most fans shy away from trying to discover the truth because, IMO, they are frightened of what they might find.
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Post by Peter Parker on Dec 10, 2018 10:00:25 GMT
There really is no alternative in my opinion. A stand, a training ground, or something that says there is "f'ing something" moving. Words from DC. But there is no collective will to do this and there is still a pretence that they are business-men with a plan. Vaughan, I am sorry I could not take up your sausage offer but perhaps next time. The Foundation of Hearts which we have discussed in the past is certainly a model to aspire to. On their board they have accountants a solicitor a former bricklayer and a marketing man but most importantly they have 8000 members all of whom contribute financially. www.foundationofhearts.org/we-are/But, as you say, the problem at Rovers is there is no collective will to do anything and most fans shy away from trying to discover the truth because, IMO, they are frightened of what they might find. That may well be true, but the tide appears to have turned against the owners and with DC (who most people still respect) voicing his own concerns, maybe people are more willing to answer a call to arms What any action requires is leaders and a vision (the irony of that is somewhat..)
as Bamber has said before, it's ok to propose something rough on an internet forum. Vaughn seems to have an idea as do you Swiss, but someone would need to stand up and sell it to the masses first
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