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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2018 9:43:40 GMT
Same here. The megson strong promotion team just got weaker and weaker season by season until they got relegated. Exactly the same now with taylor,bodin,harrison and brown going and being replaced with poorer quality players. We were talking about this yesterday,the big difference is that Rovers were a mid third tier club then hoping to get into the second tier and then struggling and being relegated, now it seems that Rovers are a mid fourth tier club who when they get promoted seem to struggle . I remember when Rovers were the only club never to have played in the first or fourth tiers,that was only about 20 years ago,since then the fourth tier has become the usual place for Rovers,I find that hard to accept but that's how it is. I was talking to an old mate up at Burton he still goes to most games and he says that he thinks that Rovers will be relegated,but what was worrying him was what happens then,he said that he enjoyed the Non league season but he only wanted to do it once.
I feel the same. In the modern game we are a league 2 club having a spell in league 1.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2018 9:49:50 GMT
Maybe trollops team were an exception but the teams built by megson,francis and holloway suffered from chronic lack of investment. The holloway team sold all the goals in the team which is whats happened to this team. Difference being that Holloway and Dunford got top price for Roberts Haynes etc and didn't just snatch at the first offer that came along.maybe Geoff was a much tougher negotiator than wael Maybe but the end result was relegation.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2018 9:51:23 GMT
We were talking about this yesterday,the big difference is that Rovers were a mid third tier club then hoping to get into the second tier and then struggling and being relegated, now it seems that Rovers are a mid fourth tier club who when they get promoted seem to struggle . I remember when Rovers were the only club never to have played in the first or fourth tiers,that was only about 20 years ago,since then the fourth tier has become the usual place for Rovers,I find that hard to accept but that's how it is. I was talking to an old mate up at Burton he still goes to most games and he says that he thinks that Rovers will be relegated,but what was worrying him was what happens then,he said that he enjoyed the Non league season but he only wanted to do it once.
I feel the same. In the modern game we are a league 2 club having a spell in league 1. A very bitter pill to swallow.
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Post by chelt_gas on Oct 14, 2018 10:30:52 GMT
I feel the same. In the modern game we are a league 2 club having a spell in league 1. A very bitter pill to swallow. Where would Rovers be in terms of average turnover and average expenditure when compared to other league one clubs? We have a league one following so our revenue should be an advantage. Our current issue is culture within the club - have we lost the culture from the promotion seasons and is this showing in apathy and demotivated players? We have a squad and management underperforming but the answer should come from the top - motivate the club Al-Qs - tell everyone why they’re at Rovers.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2018 10:34:03 GMT
Difference being that Holloway and Dunford got top price for Roberts Haynes etc and didn't just snatch at the first offer that came along.maybe Geoff was a much tougher negotiator than wael Maybe but the end result was relegation. The point I was making which you conviently overlooked is that we got value for money in the past hence more available to sign better players than we are currently. Ignoring the Taylor situation both bodin and harrison were sold to the first club to wave pound notes in front of the club when with a bit of hard nosed negotiating we could have got more so clarke would have had more to spend. Look at the acovington situation.ipswich offered 750k for a striker who scored the same number of goals in league 2 that Ellis did in league 1.Accrington said no we want 2m.this happened on 4 occasions until ipswich coughed up 1.75m cash up front.not 750k on hire purchase that rovers accepted
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 14, 2018 10:43:23 GMT
Maybe but the end result was relegation. The point I was making which you conviently overlooked is that we got value for money in the past hence more available to sign better players than we are currently. Ignoring the Taylor situation both bodin and harrison were sold to the first club to wave pound notes in front of the club when with a bit of hard nosed negotiating we could have got more so clarke would have had more to spend. Look at the acovington situation.ipswich offered 750k for a striker who scored the same number of goals in league 2 that Ellis did in league 1.Accrington said no we want 2m.this happened on 4 occasions until ipswich coughed up 1.75m cash up front.not 750k on hire purchase that rovers accepted That's true, Padstow....but equally look at Bradford with Wyke. They done a but of bad business because at hua pinnacle, Wyke was worth 7figures. Sunderland got him at a snip. I think we done brilliant business with Ellis. I honestly don't think he was worth much more. Bodin deal was done early doors. Again, we probably could have squeezed a bit more but we're in the ball park, and decent again. Both players wanted to leave under contract and we almost certainly would have received nothing later on.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Oct 14, 2018 10:54:18 GMT
As I understand the side Trollope and the board built that relegated us we’re on better wage than the one that took us up. It’s not all about the money, having just one regular scorer on 7 or 8 by now could be another 9 points or more on these same performances. Add the nine points on us, to appreciate how being in experiment lab on attack can make such a difference. Maybe trollops team were an exception but the teams built by megson,francis and holloway suffered from chronic lack of investment. The holloway team sold all the goals in the team which is whats happened to this team. Not quite the same, because the nineties era rovers kept selling the goals out the team, but then kept pulling a rabbit out the hat. It was a succession of goal scoring forwards sold for good money, but replaced with rabbit from hat, penrice replaced with ocean, the emergence of Stewart and Taylor sold for good money but then penny and olly brought in hales, Cureton, Roberts, And Zamora. As olly tells it, we play Keegan’s Fulham away, that afternoon Dunford sells hales to Fulham, sits next olly on coach back and doesn’t mention it. Roberts was bad boy reputation, and Cureton languishing in Norwich reserves, Penny was spotter, it wasn’t just olly and penny turned their careers round and made these goal scorers , Roberts put the hard graft in, afternoon after hours working on focus and left foot. And his discipline record transformed. Zamora was next on production line, but he chose to go so olly found himself in similar situation to where Clarke is now. The rest of the team is more than capable of not being in, as Coldplay put it, trouble, but there wasn’t the goals so it was struggling team. Except I don’t see this situation as the same. Im quite relaxed, I think there are goal scoring forwards here at the club, the similar analogy is not those relegations, but Clarke’s first full season, when we started iffy in conference but were flying at end. i think we’ll be flying at other end of this season. I wouldn’t even rule out promotion at this stage. Someone banging goals in wanted by bigger club is going to leave. It’s not a rovers thing, every Club is part of a food chain. Plus when we compare with old days, there’s different rules these days, earliest strictest transfer window ever, free agent without contract etc. That’s a lot harder for clubs and managers these days.
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Post by vaughan on Oct 14, 2018 10:57:45 GMT
Lockyer will either go on a free or for a pittance in January as he confirmed that the Club hasn't entered contract negotiations and his contract runs out in the Summer.
Poor and one of the main asset in reasons we don't capitalise on our real assets.
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Post by chelt_gas on Oct 14, 2018 11:10:07 GMT
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Post by laughinggas on Oct 14, 2018 11:18:04 GMT
Are facts allowed on this forum?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2018 11:23:38 GMT
The point I was making which you conviently overlooked is that we got value for money in the past hence more available to sign better players than we are currently. Ignoring the Taylor situation both bodin and harrison were sold to the first club to wave pound notes in front of the club when with a bit of hard nosed negotiating we could have got more so clarke would have had more to spend. Look at the acovington situation.ipswich offered 750k for a striker who scored the same number of goals in league 2 that Ellis did in league 1.Accrington said no we want 2m.this happened on 4 occasions until ipswich coughed up 1.75m cash up front.not 750k on hire purchase that rovers accepted That's true, Padstow....but equally look at Bradford with Wyke. They done a but of bad business because at hua pinnacle, Wyke was worth 7figures. Sunderland got him at a snip. I think we done brilliant business with Ellis. I honestly don't think he was worth much more. Bodin deal was done early doors. Again, we probably could have squeezed a bit more but we're in the ball park, and decent again. Both players wanted to leave under contract and we almost certainly would have received nothing later on. Not strictly true about ellis he was happy to stay and sign a new contract.ask his mum.and as for the price before he signed for ipswich tony Mowbray made a counter offer of more and cash up front but was told no because a deal had been agreed.bodin went 3 days into the window if we had held our nerve for a few weeks we would have got more.it's just a case of being weak negotiating and grabbing the cash.gd would be turning in his grave
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Post by vaughan on Oct 14, 2018 13:57:02 GMT
So Tom Lockyer told me on Thursday night that he is out of contract in the Summer.
But if you wish to believe the Bristol Post...
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Post by laughinggas on Oct 14, 2018 14:06:06 GMT
So Tom Lockyer told me on Thursday night that he is out of contract in the Summer. But if you wish to believe the Bristol Post... Perhaps still concussed!
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Post by vaughan on Oct 14, 2018 14:12:03 GMT
So are you calling him or me a liar?
He said it and there were 4 witnesses on the table.
FFS
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Post by laughinggas on Oct 14, 2018 14:16:59 GMT
So are you calling him or me a liar? He said it and there were 4 witnesses on the table. FFS No Saying he may have been concussed Chill pill
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Post by laughinggas on Oct 14, 2018 14:19:48 GMT
11th Jan 2018
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Post by laughinggas on Oct 14, 2018 14:23:10 GMT
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Post by vaughan on Oct 14, 2018 14:27:47 GMT
Yes he signed to end of 18-19 season in January 2018.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 14, 2018 14:28:26 GMT
That's true, Padstow....but equally look at Bradford with Wyke. They done a but of bad business because at hua pinnacle, Wyke was worth 7figures. Sunderland got him at a snip. I think we done brilliant business with Ellis. I honestly don't think he was worth much more. Bodin deal was done early doors. Again, we probably could have squeezed a bit more but we're in the ball park, and decent again. Both players wanted to leave under contract and we almost certainly would have received nothing later on. Not strictly true about ellis he was happy to stay and sign a new contract.ask his mum.and as for the price before he signed for ipswich tony Mowbray made a counter offer of more and cash up front but was told no because a deal had been agreed.bodin went 3 days into the window if we had held our nerve for a few weeks we would have got more.it's just a case of being weak negotiating and grabbing the cash.gd would be turning in his grave Ok, we might have squeezed more out of Preston. Tbh, he went for his worth. In my opinion. You can argue about another few grand til cows come home, ok we didn't get FULL potential, but we were up there in 90% and always risked the potential him leaving for nowt later on. The same with Ellis. If Ellis truly wanted to stay, he would have. Simples. Mum or not. Both wanted the move for their own reasons and whom would blame them? The key is, if we would have accrued an extra 25% more revenue, do you really think the playing squad would have seen that whole funding benefit? In my opinion both deals were good business for the club at the time. It's only later, when no replacement has superceded we are all bemoaning the facts..
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2018 15:50:51 GMT
Maybe trollops team were an exception but the teams built by megson,francis and holloway suffered from chronic lack of investment. The holloway team sold all the goals in the team which is whats happened to this team. Not quite the same, because the nineties era rovers kept selling the goals out the team, but then kept pulling a rabbit out the hat. It was a succession of goal scoring forwards sold for good money, but replaced with rabbit from hat, penrice replaced with ocean, the emergence of Stewart and Taylor sold for good money but then penny and olly brought in hales, Cureton, Roberts, And Zamora. As olly tells it, we play Keegan’s Fulham away, that afternoon Dunford sells hales to Fulham, sits next olly on coach back and doesn’t mention it. Roberts was bad boy reputation, and Cureton languishing in Norwich reserves, Penny was spotter, it wasn’t just olly and penny turned their careers round and made these goal scorers , Roberts put the hard graft in, afternoon after hours working on focus and left foot. And his discipline record transformed. Zamora was next on production line, but he chose to go so olly found himself in similar situation to where Clarke is now. The rest of the team is more than capable of not being in, as Coldplay put it, trouble, but there wasn’t the goals so it was struggling team. Except I don’t see this situation as the same. Im quite relaxed, I think there are goal scoring forwards here at the club, the similar analogy is not those relegations, but Clarke’s first full season, when we started iffy in conference but were flying at end. i think we’ll be flying at other end of this season. I wouldn’t even rule out promotion at this stage. Someone banging goals in wanted by bigger club is going to leave. It’s not a rovers thing, every Club is part of a food chain. Plus when we compare with old days, there’s different rules these days, earliest strictest transfer window ever, free agent without contract etc. That’s a lot harder for clubs and managers these days. Agree with all that stuff but when we came up out of league 2 with new owners,a new ground on the horizon and a really good team it seemed like this time it was going to be different. This time we would realise our potential to be a championship club in a nice stadium with a decent team. But it was a mirage,nothing has changed and were back in the normal cycle of failure after success. Its such a shame.
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