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Post by laughinggas on Oct 13, 2018 18:15:41 GMT
Was Sercs playing today? Was Sincs playing today? Was Rodman playing today? Is Clarke J a left back? Until Kelly did the full backs get over the half way line? How many crosses did Parts hit today? Felt sorry for midfield two as no pass to be made. How many times did Ollie get the ball facing the wrong way? Upson played well but had limited passes available. No width from midfield or fullback! Not creating is problem I think. And here's a tactic. Give the ball to Lines, give Sercombe a completely free role, Lines to find Sercombe, play from there, but play 20 yards further up the pitch and press to win the ball in the opposition half. Lines is our best passer, Sercombe our most creative player. End of. Play Lockyer and Clarke together at back, enabling you to play a higher line. Drop Craig (legs have gone) and never play Nicholls again. Pray that we see Holmes-Dennis before takeover happens.
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Post by vaughan on Oct 13, 2018 18:19:43 GMT
Rodman had the best stats of any player in League 1 last season, according to TW.
We can see a good player in Matthews.
We know that Sercombe, Lines and Bennett are good enough.
We know that Sinclair and Ollie Clarke can win the ball back.
We have a decent keeper.
Lockyer is fine, needs right partner.
We are not promotion material, but we should not be in relegation zone.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Oct 13, 2018 18:23:04 GMT
I am afraid it is time for Clarke to go. Can’t see him turning things around. Four games without a goal now. Anyone seen the crime movie Layer cake with Daniel Craig. The bit Clarke didn’t mention when he looked over there in his rant is how even Lord Guernsey’s money bags club is part of a food chain and suffering in much same way as us right now, key departures leaving hole to fill. The run they are on now most likely relates to what they lost in the summer. Go up a bit, even likes of Arsenal and Chelsea are part of a food chain, Van Persie nicked by Man U, when Hazard increases his pay and lives in the sun of Spain. It’s a change management thing, not change manager thing, in a short space of time we lost the goals of Taylor and Bodin, Harrison came on leaps and bounds last season could have hit 15 20 goals as well as pulling defences around, we lost that too, so we are technically rebuilding up front end of pitch. I think too early to claim if the new tin openers and finishers are no good, lets give it time Lets give it time. Francis took 3 year to build. Bobby Gould got the Wimbledon gig boasting in the job interview he kept Rovers in third tier on total wage budget of just 100K. Fair enough, that is good. There’s a vacancy and the Dunfords give it to someone with a handful of games for us late in his career whose manager experience was 1 year relegating Exeter. Gerry Francis didn’t have much money to play with the club surviving on the whiff of jockstrap. He put hand in his own pocket to Bring Olly back to the club to general the midfield. Big awkward forward Bruno had slipped out the professional game, Francis went and got him. A mental right winger called Jock converted to right back. A keeper signed from factory on recommendation by tea lady (or was that a year later?) When we are thrashed by relegation rivals Southend at Christmas it doesn’t look good. But an unexpected 4.0 demolition of leaders Sunderland in February sparks a tremendous winning run into top ten.* Following year hang around as play off candidates all year and make play off final (1.1 at twerton lost 1.0 away, but vale got away with it at Twerton). Following year Champions. And first visit to Wembley. Only lost five games all season (though didn’t score many goals). And all much the same players. So even if we are in bottom four come January and have no money, we cannot know what the following 2 and half years is going to bring. *similar fixtures to this season 😝
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2018 18:32:53 GMT
I am afraid it is time for Clarke to go. Can’t see him turning things around. Four games without a goal now. Anyone seen the crime movie Layer cake with Daniel Craig. The bit Clarke didn’t mention when he looked over there in his rant is how even Lord Guernsey’s money bags club is part of a food chain and suffering in much same way as us right now, key departures leaving hole to fill. The run they are on now most likely relates to what they lost in the summer. Go up a bit, even likes of Arsenal and Chelsea are part of a food chain, Van Persie nicked by Man U, when Hazard increases his pay and lives in the sun of Spain. It’s a change management thing, not change manager thing, in a short space of time we lost the goals of Taylor and Bodin, Harrison came on leaps and bounds last season could have hit 15 20 goals as well as pulling defences around, we lost that too, so we are technically rebuilding up front end of pitch. I think too early to claim if the new tin openers and finishers are no good, lets give it time Lets give it time. Francis took 3 year to build. Bobby Gould got the Wimbledon gig boasting in the job interview he kept Rovers in third tier on total wage budget of just 100K. Fair enough, that is good. There’s a vacancy and the Dunfords give it to someone with a handful of games for us late in his career whose manager experience was 1 year relegating Exeter. Gerry Francis didn’t have much money to play with the club surviving on the whiff of jockstrap. He put hand in his own pocket to Bring Olly back to the club to general the midfield. Big awkward forward Bruno had slipped out the professional game, Francis went and got him. A mental right winger called Jock converted to right back. A keeper signed from factory on recommendation by tea lady (or was that a year later?) When we are thrashed by relegation rivals Southend at Christmas it doesn’t look good. But an unexpected 4.0 demolition of leaders Sunderland in February sparks a tremendous winning run into top ten.* Following year hang around as play off candidates all year and make play off final (1.1 at twerton lost 1.0 away, but vale got away with it at Twerton). Following year Champions. And first visit to Wembley. Only lost five games all season (though didn’t score many goals). And all much the same players. So even if we are in bottom four come January and have no money, we cannot know what the following 2 and half years is going to bring. *similar fixtures to this season 😝 Not sure what point you are trying to make apart from how great a manager Francis was on a budget infinitesimal to that the current manager has
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2018 18:57:34 GMT
its bleeding obvious even a student of the game like you must know ... we have a soft under belly cant defend ,,,simples
Were about 5th or 6th best for goals against. Our biggest problem is failure to score goals this season so far.
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Post by bloogas on Oct 13, 2018 19:11:56 GMT
soft under belly for the second week in succession Uh,er,...the defence held out for 90 minutes, during which time the attack did very little, if not FA.Please!!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2018 19:48:35 GMT
soft under belly for the second week in succession Uh,er,...the defence held out for 90 minutes, during which time the attack did very little, if not FA.Please!!! Didn't sound that good on the radio. They hit the post and bar, one scrambled off the line, it sounded as if they probably did enough to deserve their 3 points. Hamer didn't sound one tiny bit upset. Maybe he cares, if he does, he hid it well.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2018 20:53:44 GMT
The situation is a bit grim right now,especially compared to how bright and full of goals we were in our first season back in league one. Whatever the reasons and whoever is at fault for various things happening we really miss taylor,bodin,harrison and brown as any similar team would.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2018 21:17:15 GMT
The situation is a bit grim right now,especially compared to how bright and full of goals we were in our first season back in league one. Whatever the reasons and whoever is at fault for various things happening we really miss taylor,bodin,harrison and brown as any similar team would. I still can't work out where the money from Taylor, Bodin and Harrison went. £300k on Nichols, and? Taylor was a big earner, or so we are told, so a wage saving when he left as well.
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Post by outwoodgas on Oct 13, 2018 21:47:09 GMT
Are we really so deficient in quality that we have to resort to lumping it up field in the hope that our lone little striker can chase it into the channels and turn their big lumbering centre halves? Have we got nothing else? What is the point of playing Rodman under that plan? The bloke spent far more time defending against their average right back than he did in attacking him. I thought we signed him as a winger, not a supplementary full back. Come on we are Bristol Rovers for God's sake! At least lets have a go!
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Post by eppinggas on Oct 13, 2018 22:30:32 GMT
i was at the Walsall game and we didn’t look poor. The two promotions under Clarke started slowly, with quite a lot of tinkering, the runs in had lot less tinkering and were great run ins. I think a lot of the tinkering so far has been forced on Clarke, some injuries keeping people out for a sequence of matches, and some where they have missed one or two. We haven’t seen new lb at all, and with the hamstrings Sercs has had it seems sensible to go easy with him. In the interviews Daryl is sounding right at the top of his game, but his goalscorers are letting him down a bit It could be the goalscorrers are already here at the club. Matty Taylor took a few games before his first Rovers goals, Lambert I recall laboured to four goals before get the spark from his post Christmas winner against City. Cureton I remember vividly, made his debut away at Plymouth and was anonymous before hauled off half time, was quiet in following games before exploding into life with a couple of stunning goals. Players being human take a while to settle, being human some more than others. The rotation of tactics going on probably not helping with that So how long is nicholls going to take to in your words explode into life I just want Nichols to explode.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2018 0:21:10 GMT
The situation is a bit grim right now,especially compared to how bright and full of goals we were in our first season back in league one. Whatever the reasons and whoever is at fault for various things happening we really miss taylor,bodin,harrison and brown as any similar team would. I still can't work out where the money from Taylor, Bodin and Harrison went. £300k on Nichols, and? Taylor was a big earner, or so we are told, so a wage saving when he left as well. You could get into the debate about the club losing money etc. But its always the same with rovers,get a really team,promotion etc etc,then watch it disintegrate before your eyes and wait for the inevitable relegation that follows.
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Post by emperorsuperbus on Oct 14, 2018 2:33:26 GMT
I still can't work out where the money from Taylor, Bodin and Harrison went. £300k on Nichols, and? Taylor was a big earner, or so we are told, so a wage saving when he left as well. You could get into the debate about the club losing money etc. But its always the same with rovers,get a really team,promotion etc etc,then watch it disintegrate before your eyes and wait for the inevitable relegation that follows. As I understand the side Trollope and the board built that relegated us we’re on better wage than the one that took us up. It’s not all about the money, having just one regular scorer on 7 or 8 by now could be another 9 points or more on these same performances. Add the nine points on us, to appreciate how being in experiment lab on attack can make such a difference.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2018 6:20:05 GMT
A boring game,kicking the ball into the air on a windy day (ball went out of stadium 3 times in the first half !) Rovers got what they deserved...nothing Surely if you are playing a lone striker who is under 5'10" you try and play it on the floor ?
I think that there are good players in the Rovers team but they are not playing as a team,hopefully whan the new left back gets fit things will improve in defence although I have my doubts about Craig and Lockyer.
The the last 13 games that I have been to have all been defeats for Rovers ! (that does not include friendlies) as I only go to away games I don't expect to see many wins but yesterday was very poor...anyone thinking of going to Barnsley or Blackpool be warned we will be going to both and I expect to see 2 more defeats !
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Post by bloogas on Oct 14, 2018 9:02:31 GMT
I still can't work out where the money from Taylor, Bodin and Harrison went. £300k on Nichols, and? Taylor was a big earner, or so we are told, so a wage saving when he left as well. You could get into the debate about the club losing money etc. But its always the same with rovers,get a really team,promotion etc etc,then watch it disintegrate before your eyes and wait for the inevitable relegation that follows. Great minds think alike, eh! I started watching in '70 with Dodgin,& it's always been the same - boom & bust as it were. We're a L1 club - if we can manage it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2018 9:21:44 GMT
You could get into the debate about the club losing money etc. But its always the same with rovers,get a really team,promotion etc etc,then watch it disintegrate before your eyes and wait for the inevitable relegation that follows. Great minds think alike, eh! I started watching in '70 with Dodgin,& it's always been the same - boom & bust as it were. We're a L1 club - if we can manage it. Same here. The megson strong promotion team just got weaker and weaker season by season until they got relegated. Exactly the same now with taylor,bodin,harrison and brown going and being replaced with poorer quality players.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2018 9:29:47 GMT
You could get into the debate about the club losing money etc. But its always the same with rovers,get a really team,promotion etc etc,then watch it disintegrate before your eyes and wait for the inevitable relegation that follows. As I understand the side Trollope and the board built that relegated us we’re on better wage than the one that took us up. It’s not all about the money, having just one regular scorer on 7 or 8 by now could be another 9 points or more on these same performances. Add the nine points on us, to appreciate how being in experiment lab on attack can make such a difference. Maybe trollops team were an exception but the teams built by megson,francis and holloway suffered from chronic lack of investment. The holloway team sold all the goals in the team which is whats happened to this team.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2018 9:32:01 GMT
Great minds think alike, eh! I started watching in '70 with Dodgin,& it's always been the same - boom & bust as it were. We're a L1 club - if we can manage it. Same here. The megson strong promotion team just got weaker and weaker season by season until they got relegated. Exactly the same now with taylor,bodin,harrison and brown going and being replaced with poorer quality players. We were talking about this yesterday,the big difference is that Rovers were a mid third tier club then hoping to get into the second tier and then struggling and being relegated, now it seems that Rovers are a mid fourth tier club who when they get promoted seem to struggle . I remember when Rovers were the only club never to have played in the first or fourth tiers,that was only about 20 years ago,since then the fourth tier has become the usual place for Rovers,I find that hard to accept but that's how it is. I was talking to an old mate up at Burton he still goes to most games and he says that he thinks that Rovers will be relegated,but what was worrying him was what happens then,he said that he enjoyed the Non league season but he only wanted to do it once.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2018 9:35:18 GMT
As I understand the side Trollope and the board built that relegated us we’re on better wage than the one that took us up. It’s not all about the money, having just one regular scorer on 7 or 8 by now could be another 9 points or more on these same performances. Add the nine points on us, to appreciate how being in experiment lab on attack can make such a difference. Maybe trollops team were an exception but the teams built by megson,francis and holloway suffered from chronic lack of investment. The holloway team sold all the goals in the team which is whats happened to this team. Difference being that Holloway and Dunford got top price for Roberts Haynes etc and didn't just snatch at the first offer that came along.maybe Geoff was a much tougher negotiator than wael
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2018 9:41:54 GMT
As I understand the side Trollope and the board built that relegated us we’re on better wage than the one that took us up. It’s not all about the money, having just one regular scorer on 7 or 8 by now could be another 9 points or more on these same performances. Add the nine points on us, to appreciate how being in experiment lab on attack can make such a difference. Maybe trollops team were an exception but the teams built by megson,francis and holloway suffered from chronic lack of investment. The holloway team sold all the goals in the team which is whats happened to this team. Exactly ! the same thing is happening now as it did then only now its called "evolution not revolution" what a load of b0ll0x. I was young and blamed Megson then,when I got a bit older I could see that he had his hands tied,I refuse to blame DC now,the same thing will happen to the crowds too they will gradually drift away.
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