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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 20:41:40 GMT
It is the posters opinion and one they are entitled to as are you. I actually think it was a very good and thought provoking post and better than the one or two line rants that most, including myself, post. It was well written. Did it tell you anything of fact, no. Just don't be taken in by better than average prose. why ? i thought it was pretty much spot on
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jun 27, 2020 14:59:32 GMT
It's been interesting to follow different views on this thread, the apologists mostly on the other forum belive a holy prophet has arrived at the club, the wiser are concerned about the club and its long term future. It does look as if the club was going to be sold without any of the Al Qadi's remaining, three directors left within the space of three months of each other, one being the lawyer who's departure wasn't even mentioned by the club. Were they all Hani's men and believed that a new stadium without the Al Qadi's was a better future for the club.When this became a more likely outcome overdrive must have kicked in at the family ranch, in whom we trust cashed out his family inheritance and has gone for it, bloody great for us fans but probably not so good for his wife and kids. The Bristol Post ran a story yesterday that we are losing £10,000 a day,previous loss making year accounts were always supported by the elder brother as a going concern, who's going to do that this year. Nearly every business in the country is cutting costs and laying people off, the club are full on developing the training ground (long overdue) opening an academy in Uxbridge, hiring the managers own recruitment company and going for it signing new players, bloody brilliant, but when does next season start, what if football in front of crowds doesn't start until 2021, nobody knows, lots of speculation about September but not confirmed. The money tree has to run dry one day with a stagnant income stream, the wiser understand this and that is their concern, can the club survive being left in the lurch, the capitalisation on paper looks good but it gives a hopelessly over inflated value of the club, in this world crisis there aren't to many investors out there looking to blow their brains out. It's no wonder the prudent elder brother wanted out, I don't think he will come riding over the hill if his kid brother comes knocking on his door, three months down the road things could look very different. I love you quoting "the wiser". You may be right, you may be wrong, but one thing for sure is you do not know. You just like stirring things up, and to be blunt the average fan are fed up with it. If you really do have facts lay it out. In other words shut up or put up. You mean the average fan, those that ate up seats at Cheltenham, UWE, Sevenside and the various failed projects, right ?
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Post by holmesgas1 on Jun 27, 2020 18:18:48 GMT
It was well written. Did it tell you anything of fact, no. Just don't be taken in by better than average prose. why ? i thought it was pretty much spot on You must be joking. It's just guess work, but if you like fiction, I agree a good read.
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Post by holmesgas1 on Jun 27, 2020 19:39:59 GMT
I love you quoting "the wiser". You may be right, you may be wrong, but one thing for sure is you do not know. You just like stirring things up, and to be blunt the average fan are fed up with it. If you really do have facts lay it out. In other words shut up or put up. You mean the average fan, those that ate up seats at Cheltenham, UWE, Sevenside and the various failed projects, right ? Ohh I agree on that, the average fan knew nothing about those debacles. However we don't just go around making out we know everything like it's fact, especially when people come out with crap about being "wiser"... Silence and listening sometimes is wiser and trying to bring the supporter base together is better, so on that note I will take my own advice and shut up.
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Post by bondigas on Jun 27, 2020 21:35:32 GMT
Ok, I accept the word wiser was not correct, it should have been realistic. I think the supporter base is united, we all have grumbled in our time about certain players and their ability and commitment to the cause, managers who haven't embraced us, why can't we have a view on owners. My concern is simple, we are losing £10,000 a day, probably more now with the pandemic, how can the former General Manager IT of the AJIB Bank as an individual owner (his words) support this unbelievable financial drain and for how long. You can shut your curtains every night and hope the problem has gone away in the morning but it won't unless a tooth fairy weighed down with gold appears at the owners bedside.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2020 21:36:56 GMT
You mean the average fan, those that ate up seats at Cheltenham, UWE, Sevenside and the various failed projects, right ? Ohh I agree on that, the average fan knew nothing about those debacles. However we don't just go around making out we know everything like it's fact, especially when people come out with crap about being "wiser"... Silence and listening sometimes is wiser and trying to bring the supporter base together is better, so on that note I will take my own advice and shut up. I guess it depends what you are trying to unite the support base around. Can't be bothered to look back and find exactly what it was about, but there was a time when Higgs was being called out for talking garbage and his response was that 'now wasn't the time and we should all pull together'. Being united is cool, as long as the cause we are being asked to rally behind is credible.
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Post by swissgas on Jun 27, 2020 22:17:07 GMT
Ohh I agree on that, the average fan knew nothing about those debacles. However we don't just go around making out we know everything like it's fact, especially when people come out with crap about being "wiser"... Silence and listening sometimes is wiser and trying to bring the supporter base together is better, so on that note I will take my own advice and shut up. I guess it depends what you are trying to unite the support base around. Can't be bothered to look back and find exactly what it was about, but there was a time when Higgs was being called out for talking garbage and his response was that 'now wasn't the time and we should all pull together'. Being united is cool, as long as the cause we are being asked to rally behind is credible. I once worked out that mid May to mid June was the time when criticism of Rovers was tolerated. During the Summer months any criticism could sabotage pre season training and player recruitment. In the early weeks of the season we were told to give it 10 games, then 15 games then till Christmas. Asking difficult questions in January could prejudice the clubs transfer window plans and during the Spring period we all had to pull together for the relegation / play off place fight. It was only after spending weeks preparing a raft of carefully crafted constructive criticisms that I discovered the mid May to mid June criticism “window” fell at exactly the same time as when most of the football industry went on holiday.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 10:52:07 GMT
I guess it depends what you are trying to unite the support base around. Can't be bothered to look back and find exactly what it was about, but there was a time when Higgs was being called out for talking garbage and his response was that 'now wasn't the time and we should all pull together'. Being united is cool, as long as the cause we are being asked to rally behind is credible. I once worked out that mid May to mid June was the time when criticism of Rovers was tolerated. During the Summer months any criticism could sabotage pre season training and player recruitment. In the early weeks of the season we were told to give it 10 games, then 15 games then till Christmas. Asking difficult questions in January could prejudice the clubs transfer window plans and during the Spring period we all had to pull together for the relegation / play off place fight. It was only after spending weeks preparing a raft of carefully crafted constructive criticisms that I discovered the mid May to mid June criticism “window” fell at exactly the same time as when most of the football industry went on holiday. In which case, why are you posting such a divisive post now, at the end of June. Hang your head.
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Post by droitwichgas on Jun 28, 2020 14:24:31 GMT
Ok, I accept the word wiser was not correct, it should have been realistic. I think the supporter base is united, we all have grumbled in our time about certain players and their ability and commitment to the cause, managers who haven't embraced us, why can't we have a view on owners. My concern is simple, we are losing £10,000 a day, probably more now with the pandemic, how can the former General Manager IT of the AJIB Bank as an individual owner (his words) support this unbelievable financial drain and for how long. You can shut your curtains every night and hope the problem has gone away in the morning but it won't unless a tooth fairy weighed down with gold appears at the owners bedside. So you'd sooner us do not sign any players this summer and most likely get relegated next summer, and also leave the training ground undeveloped for another season or two, whilst having to pay to use an alternative site to Cribbs? Own up your really a disgruntled 82er upset we're finally making some progress as a club? As far as losses pre CV19 they seemed to be being brought under control and could well have been around £1m mark this year, which seems par for the course for L1 sides.
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Post by swissgas on Jun 28, 2020 14:53:01 GMT
I once worked out that mid May to mid June was the time when criticism of Rovers was tolerated. During the Summer months any criticism could sabotage pre season training and player recruitment. In the early weeks of the season we were told to give it 10 games, then 15 games then till Christmas. Asking difficult questions in January could prejudice the clubs transfer window plans and during the Spring period we all had to pull together for the relegation / play off place fight. It was only after spending weeks preparing a raft of carefully crafted constructive criticisms that I discovered the mid May to mid June criticism “window” fell at exactly the same time as when most of the football industry went on holiday. In which case, why are you posting such a divisive post now, at the end of June. Hang your head. Remember, I’m in a different time zone Bamber. Its 1968 here.
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Post by swissgas on Jun 28, 2020 14:56:10 GMT
Ok, I accept the word wiser was not correct, it should have been realistic. I think the supporter base is united, we all have grumbled in our time about certain players and their ability and commitment to the cause, managers who haven't embraced us, why can't we have a view on owners. My concern is simple, we are losing £10,000 a day, probably more now with the pandemic, how can the former General Manager IT of the AJIB Bank as an individual owner (his words) support this unbelievable financial drain and for how long. You can shut your curtains every night and hope the problem has gone away in the morning but it won't unless a tooth fairy weighed down with gold appears at the owners bedside. So you'd sooner us do not sign any players this summer and most likely get relegated next summer, and also leave the training ground undeveloped for another season or two, whilst having to pay to use an alternative site to Cribbs? Own up your really a disgruntled 82er upset we're finally making some progress as a club? As far as losses pre CV19 they seemed to be being brought under control and could well have been around £1m mark this year, which seems par for the course for L1 sides. On that basis we could be set for a healthy profit in 2021 after losing the interest charge and cost of renting the Cribbs ground.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 16:41:03 GMT
In which case, why are you posting such a divisive post now, at the end of June. Hang your head. Remember, I’m in a different time zone Bamber. Its 1968 here. In which case, stick everything you have on us winning the Watney Cup in 1972.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 18:30:14 GMT
Ok, I accept the word wiser was not correct, it should have been realistic. I think the supporter base is united, we all have grumbled in our time about certain players and their ability and commitment to the cause, managers who haven't embraced us, why can't we have a view on owners. My concern is simple, we are losing £10,000 a day, probably more now with the pandemic, how can the former General Manager IT of the AJIB Bank as an individual owner (his words) support this unbelievable financial drain and for how long. You can shut your curtains every night and hope the problem has gone away in the morning but it won't unless a tooth fairy weighed down with gold appears at the owners bedside. So you'd sooner us do not sign any players this summer and most likely get relegated next summer, and also leave the training ground undeveloped for another season or two, whilst having to pay to use an alternative site to Cribbs? Own up your really a disgruntled 82er upset we're finally making some progress as a club? As far as losses pre CV19 they seemed to be being brought under control and could well have been around £1m mark this year, which seems par for the course for L1 sides. am i missing something here ? bondi is simply asking where the finance will come from once big bills run up again,
if wael wants to pick up the tab happy days but it cant go on surely
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Post by droitwichgas on Jun 28, 2020 18:46:50 GMT
So you'd sooner us do not sign any players this summer and most likely get relegated next summer, and also leave the training ground undeveloped for another season or two, whilst having to pay to use an alternative site to Cribbs? Own up your really a disgruntled 82er upset we're finally making some progress as a club? As far as losses pre CV19 they seemed to be being brought under control and could well have been around £1m mark this year, which seems par for the course for L1 sides. am i missing something here ? bondi is simply asking where the finance will come from once big bills run up again,
if wael wants to pick up the tab happy days but it cant go on surely
Wael seems happy enough to pick up the bills, I assume if he had any real concerns he wouldn't be spending £2m+ on the training ground. All we can do is sit and hope either that 1) he has sufficient money to fund us for a few years 2) he does have a plan for a new stadium and the financial backing to build it.
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Post by Angas on Jun 28, 2020 19:10:19 GMT
am i missing something here ? bondi is simply asking where the finance will come from once big bills run up again,
if wael wants to pick up the tab happy days but it cant go on surely
Wael seems happy enough to pick up the bills, I assume if he had any real concerns he wouldn't be spending £2m+ on the training ground. All we can do is sit and hope either that 1) he has sufficient money to fund us for a few years 2) he does have a plan for a new stadium and the financial backing to build it. "Sit and hope" is what we're good at. We've had enough practise. Also had our fair share of let downs. This time might be different, might not.
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Post by a more piratey game on Jun 29, 2020 16:12:08 GMT
from Frosty today...
in brief... the stadium is a non-starter if Wael Al-Qadi doesn’t want to sell a reasonably-sized stake in Rovers/Dwane Sports. How much, we’re not quite sure but those negotiations will be going on and will accelerate once the fruit market deal goes through, as is expected.
Just as a side point, since publishing last week’s story, we have learned there is a second bidder on the fruit market site, who will step in should the intended buyer pull out (for whatever reason), but that bidder has no connection whatsoever to Rovers and is for a residential project, not commercial.....
The consortium interested in the club have exclusivity in the negotiations for the site.
It’s on them to complete the deal and, as far as we can see, the only thing preventing it going through will be if the mitigating of the land (if that’s the right term but basically tests etc) throws up difficulties surrounding any substantial development plans, whether that be a cinema, hotel or a football stadium.
I should emphasise on the previous point on this topic that this consortium still plan to buy this land, whether or not Rovers will or won’t be involved as it hopefully will allow a large scale and valuable development in the middle of Bristol.
Hopefully that includes a stadium but it’s not a deal-breaker in the overall scheme of things.
The second bidder is poised should the consortium not complete the purchase. As mentioned earlier, this party is solely interested in residential development and has no links to the club.
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Post by basel on Jun 29, 2020 16:24:42 GMT
I wonder how much a "reasonably sized stake" is, to the consortium and to Wael?
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Post by eppinggas on Jun 29, 2020 16:26:22 GMT
from Frosty today... in brief... the stadium is a non-starter if Wael Al-Qadi doesn’t want to sell a reasonably-sized stake in Rovers/Dwane Sports. How much, we’re not quite sure but those negotiations will be going on and will accelerate once the fruit market deal goes through, as is expected. Just as a side point, since publishing last week’s story, we have learned there is a second bidder on the fruit market site, who will step in should the intended buyer pull out (for whatever reason), but that bidder has no connection whatsoever to Rovers and is for a residential project, not commercial..... The consortium interested in the club have exclusivity in the negotiations for the site. It’s on them to complete the deal and, as far as we can see, the only thing preventing it going through will be if the mitigating of the land (if that’s the right term but basically tests etc) throws up difficulties surrounding any substantial development plans, whether that be a cinema, hotel or a football stadium. I should emphasise on the previous point on this topic that this consortium still plan to buy this land, whether or not Rovers will or won’t be involved as it hopefully will allow a large scale and valuable development in the middle of Bristol. Hopefully that includes a stadium but it’s not a deal-breaker in the overall scheme of things. The second bidder is poised should the consortium not complete the purchase. As mentioned earlier, this party is solely interested in residential development and has no links to the club. Oh dear, this doesn't sound good. I moving my "slightly optimistic" status to "not very optimistic at all" status. Which is the usual default position. I'll believe it when i'm sat it it.
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Post by basel on Jun 29, 2020 17:07:57 GMT
from Frosty today... in brief... the stadium is a non-starter if Wael Al-Qadi doesn’t want to sell a reasonably-sized stake in Rovers/Dwane Sports. How much, we’re not quite sure but those negotiations will be going on and will accelerate once the fruit market deal goes through, as is expected. Just as a side point, since publishing last week’s story, we have learned there is a second bidder on the fruit market site, who will step in should the intended buyer pull out (for whatever reason), but that bidder has no connection whatsoever to Rovers and is for a residential project, not commercial..... The consortium interested in the club have exclusivity in the negotiations for the site. It’s on them to complete the deal and, as far as we can see, the only thing preventing it going through will be if the mitigating of the land (if that’s the right term but basically tests etc) throws up difficulties surrounding any substantial development plans, whether that be a cinema, hotel or a football stadium. I should emphasise on the previous point on this topic that this consortium still plan to buy this land, whether or not Rovers will or won’t be involved as it hopefully will allow a large scale and valuable development in the middle of Bristol. Hopefully that includes a stadium but it’s not a deal-breaker in the overall scheme of things. The second bidder is poised should the consortium not complete the purchase. As mentioned earlier, this party is solely interested in residential development and has no links to the club. Oh dear, this doesn't sound good. I moving my "slightly optimistic" status to "not very optimistic at all" status. Which is the usual default position. I'll believe it when i'm sat it it. I can't see it happening and if we lose stadium revenue by not owning g all of it,well we're better off staying at the Mem.Then carry on the search.
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Post by droitwichgas on Jun 29, 2020 17:36:25 GMT
But he also posted this:
"The consortium interested in the club have exclusivity in the negotiations for the site.
It’s on them to complete the deal and, as far as we can see, the only thing preventing it going through will be if the mitigating of the land (if that’s the right term but basically tests etc) throws up difficulties surrounding any substantial development plans, whether that be a cinema, hotel or a football stadium.
I should emphasise on the previous point on this topic that this consortium still plan to buy this land, whether or not Rovers will or won’t be involved as it hopefully will allow a large scale and valuable development in the middle of Bristol.
Hopefully that includes a stadium but it’s not a deal-breaker in the overall scheme of things.
The second bidder is poised should the consortium not complete the purchase. As mentioned earlier, this party is solely interested in residential development and has no links to the club"
Can anybody see that a development company, with seemingly no interest in Rovers, bothering to build a football stadium & buying a share in Rovers, if they could just build residential development on the land without any of the planning issues etc, something doesn't add up with that story. Whilst I have no idea over how land development works surely before agreeing a price for with the FM owners the developers would carry out some testing in order to make sure the land was suitable for development?
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