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Post by bondigas on Jun 25, 2020 8:46:25 GMT
I don't think it was any secret at the club he paid the transfer money for Joe Partington at the time
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Post by eppinggas on Jun 25, 2020 8:53:41 GMT
Do you mean Steve Hamer paying bills on behalf of Rovers is very odd ? We probably differ on that because although unusual I don’t find it outrageous. There have been times when extreme circumstances dictated that people paid bills on my behalf although admittedly nowhere near the amounts involved here. But there was mutual trust so they were always confident of getting their cash back. I think with the unpredictable nature of football and with the distance from Jordan there might occasionally be a reason for a senior figure to step in to save embarrassment as Steve Hamer did. But what I find very odd is that after being close colleagues seemingly working together with mutual trust that Wael should turn so much against Steve. We used to think it was because Steve had betrayed Rovers by conducting stadium negotiations behind the back of the family. But now, apparently with the approval of the club, it has been revealed that Steve was actually working under instructions from Hani, the main man in Dwane Sports who gave the financial guarantees listed in the accounts. So the only reason for the vendetta against Steve appears to be that he chose to take orders from Hani instead of Wael which to any reasonable person would be quite understandable. IMO it would be better for the club if Wael forgot about the Rovers figure he’s clashed with in the past and concentrated on making sure we have a viable business going forward. It's very much about quantum, but also because the family are bankers and so experts in 'money' I didn't think of SH as wealthy, although clearly he had over £100k in readies to loan. According to the gospel that is this forum Rovers paid him £70k a year, so that all the above suggests he loaned 2 years' net money to his very much wealthier employers who had the cash to pump £10m+ into Rovers over 3 years or so It's well known that he and Starnes were very distant for months, I think It was always very strange to have a Chairman and a CEO that appeared to have effectively the same role. So I guess it was always going to end in tears at some stage. As per Swiss - I really don't think dragging up old vendettas (directly or by using a reporter) is very helpful. Currently we're in a position where we are 'united', so let's not look back in anger. As for Steve Hamer, I never understood the utter vitriol aimed at him by certain posters. Can't remember his name - though I think he may have had an affair with an older lady called Irene. I had quite a bit of email correspondence with Steve and he always responded promptly and was courteous. He was never even remotely critical of Wael Al-Qadi. Even after his sudden unceremonious departure, he just said all he ever wanted was what was best for Bristol Rovers FC. His Bristol Rovers email account was active some time after his departure... Conclusion. Yes, what Swiss said.
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Post by holmesgas1 on Jun 25, 2020 9:42:23 GMT
Love this forum.... Its great reading a load of guys bask in there own self speculation. Not really having any clue, like the rest of us what's going on, but hey ho rumour makes the time go quicker.
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Post by a more piratey game on Jun 25, 2020 9:48:52 GMT
Love this forum.... Its great reading a load of guys bask in there own self speculation. Not really having any clue, like the rest of us what's going on, but hey ho rumour makes the time go quicker. yup. Using the best information that we have available at all times!
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Jun 25, 2020 10:09:50 GMT
Love this forum.... Its great reading a load of guys bask in there own self speculation. Not really having any clue, like the rest of us what's going on, but hey ho rumour makes the time go quicker. yup. Using the best information that we have available at all times! I feel sorry for the people who read the history books later and argue on forums about it whether it's the honest truth or not .
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 15:05:59 GMT
All this would seem to give a bit of context to the previous tensions at the club It's all very odd It is very odd that this piece by James Piercy was put out at a time when most fans are feeling positive and we are supposed to be looking forward not backwards. What was the point in giving James the ammunition to bring up all the old grievances again and even put Wael’s brother on the new list of bogey men ? The interest write off, loan capitalization, new board members and well written statement/letter should have signaled a clean slate, a fresh start and a putting of people and events from the past well behind us. I reacted because I think the polarization and the attitude of “you are either with us or against us” has failed at Rovers before and we don’t want to go back to that. Wael should see that pursuing vendettas against colleagues from the past is counter productive and that fans now want leadership not score settling. It's all the stuff that he knew when it was relevant but he was too afraid to repeat it. Typical of the local press.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 15:07:19 GMT
Love this forum.... Its great reading a load of guys bask in there own self speculation. Not really having any clue, like the rest of us what's going on, but hey ho rumour makes the time go quicker. I don't believe you.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jun 25, 2020 18:06:02 GMT
yup. Using the best information that we have available at all times! I feel sorry for the people who read the history books later and argue on forums about it whether it's the honest truth or not . History or his story, is mostly written by victors. It really does pay to do some research and not just from the side that wins
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Post by bloogas on Jun 25, 2020 18:20:53 GMT
It is very odd that this piece by James Piercy was put out at a time when most fans are feeling positive and we are supposed to be looking forward not backwards. What was the point in giving James the ammunition to bring up all the old grievances again and even put Wael’s brother on the new list of bogey men ? The interest write off, loan capitalization, new board members and well written statement/letter should have signaled a clean slate, a fresh start and a putting of people and events from the past well behind us. I reacted because I think the polarization and the attitude of “you are either with us or against us” has failed at Rovers before and we don’t want to go back to that. Wael should see that pursuing vendettas against colleagues from the past is counter productive and that fans now want leadership not score settling. It's all the stuff that he knew when it was relevant but he was too afraid to repeat it. Typical of the local press. Make that the National press. Read Private Eye. Decent journalists are being dispensed with and replaced by "interns" who merely scan social media for dross. No - make that International press.
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Post by bondigas on Jun 26, 2020 11:24:25 GMT
It's been interesting to follow different views on this thread, the apologists mostly on the other forum belive a holy prophet has arrived at the club, the wiser are concerned about the club and its long term future. It does look as if the club was going to be sold without any of the Al Qadi's remaining, three directors left within the space of three months of each other, one being the lawyer who's departure wasn't even mentioned by the club. Were they all Hani's men and believed that a new stadium without the Al Qadi's was a better future for the club.When this became a more likely outcome overdrive must have kicked in at the family ranch, in whom we trust cashed out his family inheritance and has gone for it, bloody great for us fans but probably not so good for his wife and kids. The Bristol Post ran a story yesterday that we are losing £10,000 a day,previous loss making year accounts were always supported by the elder brother as a going concern, who's going to do that this year. Nearly every business in the country is cutting costs and laying people off, the club are full on developing the training ground (long overdue) opening an academy in Uxbridge, hiring the managers own recruitment company and going for it signing new players, bloody brilliant, but when does next season start, what if football in front of crowds doesn't start until 2021, nobody knows, lots of speculation about September but not confirmed. The money tree has to run dry one day with a stagnant income stream, the wiser understand this and that is their concern, can the club survive being left in the lurch, the capitalisation on paper looks good but it gives a hopelessly over inflated value of the club, in this world crisis there aren't to many investors out there looking to blow their brains out. It's no wonder the prudent elder brother wanted out, I don't think he will come riding over the hill if his kid brother comes knocking on his door, three months down the road things could look very different.
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Post by a more piratey game on Jun 26, 2020 11:41:38 GMT
It's no wonder the prudent elder brother wanted out, I don't think he will come riding over the hill if his kid brother comes knocking on his door, three months down the road things could look very different. it's widely known that lower league football clubs are money pits. So things could 'look very different in 3 months' at many or most clubs but the window for BRFC has been lengthened as the huge loans, which could have been called in, are no longer attached to the business it seems to me that all owners need to be able to embrace a fairly high level of financial risk, and Wael has done that here
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Post by holmesgas1 on Jun 26, 2020 12:18:19 GMT
It's been interesting to follow different views on this thread, the apologists mostly on the other forum belive a holy prophet has arrived at the club, the wiser are concerned about the club and its long term future. It does look as if the club was going to be sold without any of the Al Qadi's remaining, three directors left within the space of three months of each other, one being the lawyer who's departure wasn't even mentioned by the club. Were they all Hani's men and believed that a new stadium without the Al Qadi's was a better future for the club.When this became a more likely outcome overdrive must have kicked in at the family ranch, in whom we trust cashed out his family inheritance and has gone for it, bloody great for us fans but probably not so good for his wife and kids. The Bristol Post ran a story yesterday that we are losing £10,000 a day,previous loss making year accounts were always supported by the elder brother as a going concern, who's going to do that this year. Nearly every business in the country is cutting costs and laying people off, the club are full on developing the training ground (long overdue) opening an academy in Uxbridge, hiring the managers own recruitment company and going for it signing new players, bloody brilliant, but when does next season start, what if football in front of crowds doesn't start until 2021, nobody knows, lots of speculation about September but not confirmed. The money tree has to run dry one day with a stagnant income stream, the wiser understand this and that is their concern, can the club survive being left in the lurch, the capitalisation on paper looks good but it gives a hopelessly over inflated value of the club, in this world crisis there aren't to many investors out there looking to blow their brains out. It's no wonder the prudent elder brother wanted out, I don't think he will come riding over the hill if his kid brother comes knocking on his door, three months down the road things could look very different. I love you quoting "the wiser". You may be right, you may be wrong, but one thing for sure is you do not know. You just like stirring things up, and to be blunt the average fan are fed up with it. If you really do have facts lay it out. In other words shut up or put up.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 12:28:29 GMT
It's been interesting to follow different views on this thread, the apologists mostly on the other forum belive a holy prophet has arrived at the club, the wiser are concerned about the club and its long term future. It does look as if the club was going to be sold without any of the Al Qadi's remaining, three directors left within the space of three months of each other, one being the lawyer who's departure wasn't even mentioned by the club. Were they all Hani's men and believed that a new stadium without the Al Qadi's was a better future for the club.When this became a more likely outcome overdrive must have kicked in at the family ranch, in whom we trust cashed out his family inheritance and has gone for it, bloody great for us fans but probably not so good for his wife and kids. The Bristol Post ran a story yesterday that we are losing £10,000 a day,previous loss making year accounts were always supported by the elder brother as a going concern, who's going to do that this year. Nearly every business in the country is cutting costs and laying people off, the club are full on developing the training ground (long overdue) opening an academy in Uxbridge, hiring the managers own recruitment company and going for it signing new players, bloody brilliant, but when does next season start, what if football in front of crowds doesn't start until 2021, nobody knows, lots of speculation about September but not confirmed. The money tree has to run dry one day with a stagnant income stream, the wiser understand this and that is their concern, can the club survive being left in the lurch, the capitalisation on paper looks good but it gives a hopelessly over inflated value of the club, in this world crisis there aren't to many investors out there looking to blow their brains out. It's no wonder the prudent elder brother wanted out, I don't think he will come riding over the hill if his kid brother comes knocking on his door, three months down the road things could look very different. I love you quoting "the wiser". You may be right, you may be wrong, but one thing for sure is you do not know. You just like stirring things up, and to be blunt the average fan are fed up with it. If you really do have facts lay it out. In other words shut up or put up. It is the posters opinion and one they are entitled to as are you. I actually think it was a very good and thought provoking post and better than the one or two line rants that most, including myself, post.
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Post by holmesgas1 on Jun 26, 2020 12:34:53 GMT
I love you quoting "the wiser". You may be right, you may be wrong, but one thing for sure is you do not know. You just like stirring things up, and to be blunt the average fan are fed up with it. If you really do have facts lay it out. In other words shut up or put up. It is the posters opinion and one they are entitled to as are you. I actually think it was a very good and thought provoking post and better than the one or two line rants that most, including myself, post. It was well written. Did it tell you anything of fact, no. Just don't be taken in by better than average prose.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 12:34:57 GMT
My opinion is that we must agree with Wael when he says, "This is my club now." Personally I have always been against one person holding a majority share in what I believe should be a community club and not one persons play thing. Wael has certainly invested more than anyone individually or collectively has ever done before at Bristol Rovers and it is clear he has chosen to enjoy his new found wealth by owning a football club.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 12:35:47 GMT
It is the posters opinion and one they are entitled to as are you. I actually think it was a very good and thought provoking post and better than the one or two line rants that most, including myself, post. It was well written. Did it tell you anything of fact, no. Just don't be taken in by better than average prose. It was an opinion, the poster is entitled to it, nobody has to agree with it.
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Post by Rex on Jun 26, 2020 13:45:56 GMT
It is the posters opinion and one they are entitled to as are you. I actually think it was a very good and thought provoking post and better than the one or two line rants that most, including myself, post. It was well written. Did it tell you anything of fact, no. Just don't be taken in by better than average prose. Forums, by their nature, are places of opinion. If you are looking for cold, hard facts, you're in the wrong place.
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Post by basel on Jun 26, 2020 14:08:14 GMT
It was well written. Did it tell you anything of fact, no. Just don't be taken in by better than average prose. Forums, by their nature, are places of opinion. If you are looking for cold, hard facts, you're in the wrong place. ......and that's a fact.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 14:16:56 GMT
Forums, by their nature, are places of opinion. If you are looking for cold, hard facts, you're in the wrong place. ......and that's a fact.
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Post by holmesgas1 on Jun 26, 2020 14:44:45 GMT
Forums, by their nature, are places of opinion. If you are looking for cold, hard facts, you're in the wrong place. ......and that's a fact. That is definitely true.
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