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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 17:43:43 GMT
With all due respect, the reason I'm making fun of you is because every post sounds vainglorious. You list businesses, endlessly talk about where you watch games from. It's just crass. Try showing a little modesty or maturity, then you may get taken seriously. So, let's start again and pretend that all of the boasting never happened, if that's OK with you? What are you trying to achieve with Rovers and how are you going to do it please? What a wonderful word vainglorious is.
I'd simply read it that, because of proximity on matchday, ITB/GH1881 was offering to pass on meaningful questions to the board of two.
Without speaking for him, I'd just observe that he is not trying to achieve anything, but has taken to calling out the rumour-mongers and ITK brigade that offer criticism, but no realistic solutions.
(Replying to you but also directly addressing ITB) The problem is by calling it out you become part of the problem- it gives oxygen to the debate and (as can be seen on the other forum) just propagates the endless tit for tat which ( for those of us not privy to the finer details of the club’s inner workings) looks like playground gossip and drama. Personally I also find the use of first names on a forum unnecessary as that also gives the effect of some inner sanctum that the rest of us are not part of and just adds to the gossip-y nature of it all. There is also the issue, for those who are on the outside looking in, of who to believe. Why should we believe you when you seem very pro-board (you insist you aren’t but that is how you come across) vs the likes of Hamer, who for all his faults might be trying to ultimately work toward a more sustainable ownership but is just going about it the wrong way? The two sides of the debate are so polarised that it’s hard to see where the actual objective voice is in the debate. I don’t think there is one which is probably why I find the whole thing so tiresome.
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Post by droitwichgas on Jan 27, 2020 17:58:33 GMT
"although despite this we are still in deep trouble" Problem is you keep posting that on both forums but never actually say why, so it's just like the small shouting "wolf" nobody actually takes any real notice. Particularly on Gaschat where Gashead1981 just calls you out time after time. If you and the SC have concerns it's about time you said what they actually were? Who is this on GC? What's it to you are you going to run to Wael and tell him him who DroitwichGas is on Gaschat if I had an account on that forum? I doubt anybody on here as a clue who I am anyway so it was a pointless question.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 18:04:30 GMT
What a wonderful word vainglorious is.
I'd simply read it that, because of proximity on matchday, ITB/GH1881 was offering to pass on meaningful questions to the board of two.
Without speaking for him, I'd just observe that he is not trying to achieve anything, but has taken to calling out the rumour-mongers and ITK brigade that offer criticism, but no realistic solutions.
I'm not even going to try Googling it. I wouldn't give Bamber such pleasure. The thought of you giving me pleasure isn't something that had previously crossed my mind, and hopefully, if the therapy works, it never will again
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 18:08:05 GMT
I'm not even going to try Googling it. I wouldn't give Bamber such pleasure. The thought of you giving me pleasure isn't something that had previously crossed my mind, and hopefully, if the therapy works, it never will again You cad Sir. Christ I'm starting to sound like Oldie.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 18:11:08 GMT
With all due respect, the reason I'm making fun of you is because every post sounds vainglorious. You list businesses, endlessly talk about where you watch games from. It's just crass. Try showing a little modesty or maturity, then you may get taken seriously. So, let's start again and pretend that all of the boasting never happened, if that's OK with you? What are you trying to achieve with Rovers and how are you going to do it please? What a wonderful word vainglorious is.
I'd simply read it that, because of proximity on matchday, ITB/GH1881 was offering to pass on meaningful questions to the board of two.
Without speaking for him, I'd just observe that he is not trying to achieve anything, but has taken to calling out the rumour-mongers and ITK brigade that offer criticism, but no realistic solutions.
Listing business interests, name dropping, it all felt a bit crass, and maybe a bit insecure? But we've agreed to draw a line under it, so fair play, we move on. Obviously he has an agenda, or at least an objective, but it's hard to see what it is. Either way, waffling on via low grade forums won't win hearts and minds and get the people that actually matter where you need them, which is around the table, talking.
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Post by Curly Wurly on Jan 27, 2020 21:21:28 GMT
What a wonderful word vainglorious is.
I'd simply read it that, because of proximity on matchday, ITB/GH1881 was offering to pass on meaningful questions to the board of two.
Without speaking for him, I'd just observe that he is not trying to achieve anything, but has taken to calling out the rumour-mongers and ITK brigade that offer criticism, but no realistic solutions.
(Replying to you but also directly addressing ITB) The problem is by calling it out you become part of the problem- it gives oxygen to the debate and (as can be seen on the other forum) just propagates the endless tit for tat which ( for those of us not privy to the finer details of the club’s inner workings) looks like playground gossip and drama. Personally I also find the use of first names on a forum unnecessary as that also gives the effect of some inner sanctum that the rest of us are not part of and just adds to the gossip-y nature of it all. There is also the issue, for those who are on the outside looking in, of who to believe. Why should we believe you when you seem very pro-board (you insist you aren’t but that is how you come across) vs the likes of Hamer, who for all his faults might be trying to ultimately work toward a more sustainable ownership but is just going about it the wrong way? The two sides of the debate are so polarised that it’s hard to see where the actual objective voice is in the debate. I don’t think there is one which is probably why I find the whole thing so tiresome. Endless tit-for-tat is the definition of a forum anyway isn't it? I'd suggest the remedy is not to take it all too seriously, although I often forget that.
I agree with your dislike on use of first names, but I'm more puzzled how people know this information anyway?
I'm presuming your second para. is directed at ITB.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 22:00:40 GMT
70 pages and counting, about something that didn't happen!
Good job it's mostly blokes on here, I mean, you know what terrible gossips the girls can be.
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Post by Curly Wurly on Jan 27, 2020 23:46:44 GMT
In a solitude of the sea ..... I was depressed enough before you quoted Hardy.
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Post by a more piratey game on Jan 28, 2020 0:11:41 GMT
In a solitude of the sea ..... I was depressed enough before you quoted Hardy.
Can't help thinking that bringing it up is timely though :-)
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Post by irenestoyboy on Jan 28, 2020 6:17:05 GMT
What a wonderful word vainglorious is.
I'd simply read it that, because of proximity on matchday, ITB/GH1881 was offering to pass on meaningful questions to the board of two.
Without speaking for him, I'd just observe that he is not trying to achieve anything, but has taken to calling out the rumour-mongers and ITK brigade that offer criticism, but no realistic solutions.
(Replying to you but also directly addressing ITB) The problem is by calling it out you become part of the problem- it gives oxygen to the debate and (as can be seen on the other forum) just propagates the endless tit for tat which ( for those of us not privy to the finer details of the club’s inner workings) looks like playground gossip and drama. Personally I also find the use of first names on a forum unnecessary as that also gives the effect of some inner sanctum that the rest of us are not part of and just adds to the gossip-y nature of it all. There is also the issue, for those who are on the outside looking in, of who to believe. Why should we believe you when you seem very pro-board (you insist you aren’t but that is how you come across) vs the likes of Hamer, who for all his faults might be trying to ultimately work toward a more sustainable ownership but is just going about it the wrong way? The two sides of the debate are so polarised that it’s hard to see where the actual objective voice is in the debate. I don’t think there is one which is probably why I find the whole thing so tiresome. Perhaps I have, but sitting back and saying nothing wasnt an option. When I heard that there potentially there was a underground movement at Rovers to undermine the current ownership my instant thoughts were why, who, what have they got to gain and importantly what have the club got to gain from this. It was obvious who the protagonists were, they were already known to the last board as trouble makers and I had the inside track on that. The forum was the platform they were publically using. So it had to start there. I was hoping to understand some of them, their reasons why or motivations for what they were doing as well as exposing the source of the problems. I also did it to see if they were right. Unfortunately none of them wanted to engage in sensible dialog and all of them refused to meet. I say all, I made offers to some, and some people like GI I wouldnt give the steam off my urine to after witnessing his ludicrous and vitriloic, fact devoiding, accusational performance at the AGM. Firstly, those of you that lurk on GC know that 18 months ago I was highly critcal of the ownership and the board (which was pre MS and under Hamers control). It looked like an owners plaything and I smelt a rat after Hamers interview with 20man. In fact I called in afterwards and gave my opinion on what I thought were exagerations. Some things he said just didnt add up. Secondly, I am pro Bristol Rovers. Individuals come and go, but the club will always be here. So you have to work with what you have until you know they are categorically not working within the best interests of the club or they want to sell up and pass on the baton. The love of the gas runs in my family and I just want the club to thrive. Now, there are some things that our owners have done that I dont agree with or fathomly understand (perhaps I still dont know the full facts) and when I have had the discreet opportnity I have asked those questions and openly disagreed with them. I too am also concerned about the losses. I have asked direct questions and recieved reasonably good answers as to why they have done/do what they do, so I have no reason to disbelieve their intentions are still good and honourable and I also understand how we have gotten to where we are. There was an admission that there had been huge mistakes but also a recognition for change across the whole BRFC operation, which since MS has come in there has been a raft of changes. Such changes cant be done overnight. Tom Gorringe is doing such a good job commercially as well, that guy works very hard and doesnt get the appreciation from the fans he perhaps deserves. I currently cannot prove anything to you, fan to fan. I cannot speak or act in behalf of the club to give that any form of solid creedence. If it was as polarised as you say it is, and if Hamer and co were right, the press would sniff it out and be all over it for a fan revolt. They would only do that if there was solid evidence that everything that they say is going on is true.
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Post by CabbagePatchBlues on Jan 28, 2020 7:42:08 GMT
Watching Tranmere vs Utd on that quagmire of a pitch on a bleak Birkenhead winter's day was a stark reminder of what the Romans have done for us.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 9:06:38 GMT
70 pages and counting, about something that didn't happen! Good job it's mostly blokes on here, I mean, you know what terrible gossips the girls can be. It's a lovely long thread, 'tis true. But of the seventy pages, I estimate the posts are 50% takeover speculation, 30% off-topic argument, 15% Bambi, and 5% duck. I think we would agree that marrying your 13 year old first cousin, once removed, is bad. Agreed.
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Post by bondigas on Jan 28, 2020 9:55:39 GMT
YTB is a bit like japanese knotweed, strangles the other site 9 times a day and now invades this one. Also claims to be nothing more than a passing acquaintance of Wael but then tells us that we won't be seeing him in the foreseeable future, all very suspicious
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 10:42:40 GMT
Perhaps I have, but sitting back and saying nothing wasnt an option... All a bit dodg'.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jan 28, 2020 10:48:11 GMT
Guys, Stop the silly name-calling please. I asked Steve (ITB) a question to ask Wael, mainly because he has more access to him than myself, by his own admission. The question: Could he please dispel the widespread rumours that DS could sell the Mem to pay off the debt, without an adequate Stadium in Bristol having been built and operational before any such sale of the Mem. Steve - could you please accept the challenge or alternatively please ask me into your Box after a home game and introduce me, so that I can ask him directly. The last time I spoke to him was on Gloucester Road en route to Queen Vic after Dagenham game. He was happy to talk then. I will also ask him about his views on Tifosy as a potential source of funding e.g hire / development of Training facilities. The answer has the potential to move the debate on. Not a protest group, or a legal action, just a serious question that is preoccupying the collective mind of our fan-base. Hi Vaughan. I can certainly ask the next time I see him at a game. He’s currently in Jordan for the foreseeable future though. Please remember I’m not his mouthpiece, so if he chooses not to say you’ll have to respect that and maybe contact him directly on his social media channels. I’m always happy to meet folk if you are in and around the boxes. I can’t necessarily introduce you to him because you don’t go into each other’s boxes without permission. But if you knock on the door he may be inclined to speak. Hope this helps. Steve Can I also add, I don’t want to become a target on here for abuse. That’s not why I popped in to begin with and I get enough on GC. So without seeming like I’m having a sense of humour failure I’ll just ignore any attack posts. It doesn’t mean I’m being a snowflake, I just don’t want to engage that way. By all means ask me anything or maybe pm me a list of what you want to ask and I’ll pass it to Martyn Starnes or Wael at the next home game. Tom is always available on twitter too. It would seem to me that the answer lies in your post. Wael in Jordan, for the foreseeable future. Dear lord, that is just wrong and on so many levels that I’m not going to list. So much for having such passion for the club 😟
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Post by eppinggas on Jan 28, 2020 10:52:20 GMT
In a solitude of the sea ..... I was depressed enough before you quoted Hardy. Wael could be the central character in one of those Wessex novels. Pretty sure they all end in tragedy.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jan 28, 2020 10:52:26 GMT
With all due respect, the reason I'm making fun of you is because every post sounds vainglorious. You list businesses, endlessly talk about where you watch games from. It's just crass. Try showing a little modesty or maturity, then you may get taken seriously. So, let's start again and pretend that all of the boasting never happened, if that's OK with you? What are you trying to achieve with Rovers and how are you going to do it please?Actually, It was KP who posted an attempt at who I was, I merely gave the right information. Apologies we got off on the wrong foot....Hope we can converse in a friendly way from now on. I am not trying to achieve anything with Rovers, Im just a regular fan. I go to most home games and as many away games as I can but I have a young family and its not always easy. If I could help the club in any way whether that was giving of some time or some practical help I would do. I would probably have a go at doing something with the SC, but I know I would be blackballed at that given how I have been critical of the current committee so that's a no go, but if anyone else did stand for a run and they wanted some help or ideas I would be happy to give that a go. I said you were Ed Ware’s relative first then found out you were his nephew but what has that got to do with BG’s post. He doest ask anything of who you are
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jan 28, 2020 10:56:15 GMT
With all due respect, the reason I'm making fun of you is because every post sounds vainglorious. You list businesses, endlessly talk about where you watch games from. It's just crass. Try showing a little modesty or maturity, then you may get taken seriously. So, let's start again and pretend that all of the boasting never happened, if that's OK with you? What are you trying to achieve with Rovers and how are you going to do it please? What a wonderful word vainglorious is.
I'd simply read it that, because of proximity on matchday, ITB/GH1881 was offering to pass on meaningful questions to the board of two.
Without speaking for him, I'd just observe that he is not trying to achieve anything, but has taken to calling out the rumour-mongers and ITK brigade that offer criticism, but no realistic solutions.
I’m interested in why the complete 180 change of tack, going from one of the fiercest critics to what comes across as near enough an employee of the club. I’d be interested in what brought about this damascene experience?
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jan 28, 2020 11:02:38 GMT
I In a solitude of the sea Deep from human vanity, And the Pride of Life that planned her, stilly couches she. II Steel chambers, late the pyres Of her salamandrine fires, Cold currents thrid, and turn to rhythmic tidal lyres. III Over the mirrors meant To glass the opulent The sea-worm crawls — grotesque, slimed, dumb, indifferent. IV Jewels in joy designed To ravish the sensuous mind Lie lightless, all their sparkles bleared and black and blind. V Dim moon-eyed fishes near Gaze at the gilded gear And query: "What does this vaingloriousness down here?" ... VI Well: while was fashioning This creature of cleaving wing, The Immanent Will that stirs and urges everything VII Prepared a sinister mate For her — so gaily great — A Shape of Ice, for the time far and dissociate. VIII And as the smart ship grew In stature, grace, and hue, In shadowy silent distance grew the Iceberg too. IX Alien they seemed to be; No mortal eye could see The intimate welding of their later history, X Or sign that they were bent By paths coincident On being anon twin halves of one august event, XI Till the Spinner of the Years Said "Now!" And each one hears, And consummation comes, and jars two hemispheres. Is that John Clare ? It has the feel of his prose. It’s really quite beautiful
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Post by vaughan on Jan 28, 2020 11:04:02 GMT
Please give ITB a break.
He is trying to be honest. I sense a frustrated supporter and I can identify with that emotion.
Don't drive him away with constant carping. He is a gregarious individual, but nothing wrong with that trait.
Not until he has asked that question I wanted him to pose to Wael...😂😂
He hates Tote End Brian BTW. 🤣🤣
"I would not give him the froth off my piss". I might use that one....
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