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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2018 20:31:59 GMT
Does that mean the other 80+ clubs with debt are also trying hard to sell up? I don't know, are they all owned by Dwane Sports too? What do you mean? Are you certain that our owners want to sell? If the answer is yes do you have any evidence of this? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2018 20:32:01 GMT
The difference is most are probably either local businessmen/supporter or foreign owners with a long term interest, I doubt many owners bought a club on a whim in the hope they could force a good deal with the local uni to build a stadium. I guess it could only happen at Rovers. Your post is like so many others regarding the owners. Full of assumptions and presumptions. Seriously, going on a forum and complaining about assumption and presumptions is like trying to catch the rain. If we only posted facts this place and most of the internet would cease to exist. If you want facts go look somewhere else because the whole point of this place is to debate what might happen and what could be going on. Strewth... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2018 20:40:40 GMT
I don't know, are they all owned by Dwane Sports too? What do you mean? Are you certain that our owners want to sell? If the answer is yes do you have any evidence of this? Do you think they will indefinitely fund losses? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2018 20:51:12 GMT
Your post is like so many others regarding the owners. Full of assumptions and presumptions. Seriously, going on a forum and complaining about assumption and presumptions is like trying to catch the rain. If we only posted facts this place and most of the internet would cease to exist. If you want facts go look somewhere else because the whole point of this place is to debate what might happen and what could be going on. Strewth... I dont agree. Arguing about the merits of players,team selections,if you like the new family stand is all good healthy debate. But stating online that the owners are selling up without providing any evidence is a different matter and poor form imo. Although your probably just repeating another posters rumour like a sheep. There are long threads here and on the other forum about a takeover without one shred of evidence provided by anybody to back it up. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2018 22:08:30 GMT
Seriously, going on a forum and complaining about assumption and presumptions is like trying to catch the rain. If we only posted facts this place and most of the internet would cease to exist. If you want facts go look somewhere else because the whole point of this place is to debate what might happen and what could be going on. Strewth... I dont agree. Arguing about the merits of players,team selections,if you like the new family stand is all good healthy debate. But stating online that the owners are selling up without providing any evidence is a different matter and poor form imo. Although your probably just repeating another posters rumour like a sheep. There are long threads here and on the other forum about a takeover without one shred of evidence provided by anybody to back it up. I honestly don't think you get the point of the internet and even more so an internet forum. How do you sleep at night worrying about all the unsubstantiated rumour and speculation on the internet that you simply don't have the time to chase up with your standard response of "where is your proof for that?"  |
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Post by swissgas on Sept 29, 2018 22:26:09 GMT
If certain ex directors are the source of the rumours the concern for me would be about history repeating itself. A few years ago we were being reliably informed by forum posters in close contact with the old board that the UWE Stadium was a done deal and it was only a matter of being patient and all would be revealed. There was a hint of smugness even triumphalism in some of those posts which turned out to be completely misplaced because, even as they were assuring us everything was running smoothly, the deal was actually in the process of collapsing. I have little doubt that attempts are being made to construct a deal for the club to be taken over but, if details are being leaked in exactly the same way as before, there has to be a worry that some people are getting a little bit carried away and that wishful thinking is masking reality. Just as it did before. "i have little doubt that attempts are being made to construct a deal for the club to be taken over" Based on what? As for "wishful thinking" speak for yourself. If any of the old cronies formerly running the club are involved in the supposed take over then god help us all if it turns out to be true i say. I form my opinions based upon what I see and hear coupled with my past experience. "Evidence" was the fall back position of Nick Higgs' supporters when critics claimed the UWE Stadium project and the club itself was in trouble. "Show us the evidence" they said, 'Nick is a successful businessman he knows what he is doing". But it turned out Nick didn't know and our gut instinct, based on the phases of the moon and the song of the nightingale, proved to be correct.  What if the only orderly way for Dwane Sports to get their loan repaid and for Rovers to get a new stadium is the return of the "old cronies" ? |
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Post by kingswood Polak on Sept 29, 2018 22:30:11 GMT
Your post is like so many others regarding the owners. Full of assumptions and presumptions. Seriously, going on a forum and complaining about assumption and presumptions is like trying to catch the rain. If we only posted facts this place and most of the internet would cease to exist. If you want facts go look somewhere else because the whole point of this place is to debate what might happen and what could be going on. Strewth... Nail on the head, bravo. I think the sad bit is that there is a small clique on here who feel that their posts hold more weight than others. Reminds me of Orwell’s animal farm. All animals are equal... you know the rest, I GUESS A forum is the place to discuss various opinions and assumptions for sure. If we had just facts there would be very few posts. One would think this was a place one would fear to post any speculative posts, It would be incredibly dull |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2018 22:43:03 GMT
Still no evidence of a take over.
The apologists make truly pathetic arguments for having no facts to back up their fables.
Personally i think their is a group of posters on both forums[though possibly the same people] with an agenda to undermine the owners.
They might even be lackeys doing the bidding of others.
Its perfectly ok to say this because its the internet isnt it? facts and evidence are not relevant.
To the weak minded i suggest not following these lackeys blindly but look for facts.
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Post by Blue Mist on Sept 30, 2018 0:25:12 GMT
The problem isn’t presuming, making assumptions or debating rumour but when so many people just present such as fact. Then when asked and fail to substantiate the fall back position is this the internet so its okay get over it - doesnt wash with me. Debate has to have boundaries or its just a class of idiots playing who can shout the loudest.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2018 0:25:33 GMT
Still no evidence of a take over. The apologists make truly pathetic arguments for having no facts to back up their fables. Personally i think their is a group of posters on both forums[though possibly the same people] with an agenda to undermine the owners. They might even be lackeys doing the bidding of others. Its perfectly ok to say this because its the internet isnt it? facts and evidence are not relevant. To the weak minded i suggest not following these lackeys blindly but look for facts. Radical thought: If you don't like it, don't read it. And while you are at it unplug that computer and go outside and get some sun on your skin and leave the internet to those who wish to discuss ideas unencumbered by the burden of proof. For that is what coutrooms are for. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2018 0:41:16 GMT
The problem isn’t presuming, making assumptions or debating rumour but when so many people just present such as fact. Then when asked and fail to substantiate the fall back position is this the internet so its okay get over it - doesnt wash with me. Debate has to have boundaries or its just a class of idiots playing who can shout the loudest. But that is the point- you are looking for facts on the internet! It's so laughable it isn't even true! I got no words- I'm done. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2018 8:30:03 GMT
Can someone please complete the following statement: The credible source is... Hasn’t Ken Masters already been outed on the other forum? |
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Post by Blue Mist on Sept 30, 2018 13:29:09 GMT
The problem isn’t presuming, making assumptions or debating rumour but when so many people just present such as fact. Then when asked and fail to substantiate the fall back position is this the internet so its okay get over it - doesnt wash with me. Debate has to have boundaries or its just a class of idiots playing who can shout the loudest. But that is the point- you are looking for facts on the internet! It's so laughable it isn't even true! I got no words- I'm done. Ha! Yes what a bizarre notion that the world wide web might contain some actual facts. By your rationale then nothing on the web is true, It’s probably best you have no words. |
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Post by swissgas on Sept 30, 2018 13:55:27 GMT
But that is the point- you are looking for facts on the internet! It's so laughable it isn't even true! I got no words- I'm done. Ha! Yes what a bizarre notion that the world wide web might contain some actual facts. By your rationale then nothing on the web is true, It’s probably best you have no words. I suppose you could argue that the only solid facts available are the audited accounts of Bristol Rovers 1883 Ltd, AJIB and METICO (Four Seasons Hotel Amman) Once you have digested those figures you can form an opinion as to whether the entire Al-Qadi family are likely to decide, for an indefinite period, to continue to spend over half of their visible annual income on financing Rovers' annual losses. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2018 14:37:00 GMT
Ha! Yes what a bizarre notion that the world wide web might contain some actual facts. By your rationale then nothing on the web is true, It’s probably best you have no words. I suppose you could argue that the only solid facts available are the audited accounts of Bristol Rovers 1883 Ltd, AJIB and METICO (Four Seasons Hotel Amman) Once you have digested those figures you can form an opinion as to whether the entire Al-Qadi family are likely to decide, for an indefinite period, to continue to spend over half of their visible annual income on financing Rovers' annual losses. Exactly right. They have shown no appetite so far to spend money that is not secured so how are they going to feel about the fact that they will be losing 2 million a year they might not get back? All of a sudden I bet that office in London isn't going to look like such a shrewd move when they actually have to pay for it themselves. And all the middle management they have taken on. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2018 22:28:10 GMT
Can someone please complete the following statement: The credible source is... Hasn’t Ken Masters already been outed on the other forum? I'm not one to judge, but I never had him down as a gentleman who likes his peas minted, bakes a light sponge, wears comfy shoes, is good with colours, was light on his feet etc etc. |
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Oct 1, 2018 5:10:22 GMT
You can’t always base opinion on hard fact.
You judge it on critical analysis of factual data.
3 people might analyse it different and come to different conclusions.
It’s like science. Everything changes, frequently.
One original scientific thought is the sun orbits the Earth. Early human thinkers might have supposed:
Sun rises east
Sun sets West.
Sun travels through sky similar to sling orbiting hand
Sun orbits earth
Then more data comes along and we revise our position.
Do you scoff at religions and agnostics and speak about “what science has taught us”? Think on. In 100 years a lot of what you clung to as “fact” will be like believing leeches purified the blood.
This is just a detour really but it’s well worth mentioning as you don’t need conclusive proof if your forming opinion, you just need to explain your analysis of what you know. This could even be “there are multiple rumours from multiple sources, and I’ve found these conditions often present when a real change is occurring”
You don’t need a signed confession and witnesses to convict!
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Post by Blue Mist on Oct 1, 2018 20:20:16 GMT
You can’t always base opinion on hard fact. You judge it on critical analysis of factual data. 3 people might analyse it different and come to different conclusions. It’s like science. Everything changes, frequently. One original scientific thought is the sun orbits the Earth. Early human thinkers might have supposed: Sun rises east Sun sets West. Sun travels through sky similar to sling orbiting hand Sun orbits earth Then more data comes along and we revise our position. Do you scoff at religions and agnostics and speak about “what science has taught us”? Think on. In 100 years a lot of what you clung to as “fact” will be like believing leeches purified the blood. This is just a detour really but it’s well worth mentioning as you don’t need conclusive proof if your forming opinion, you just need to explain your analysis of what you know. This could even be “there are multiple rumours from multiple sources, and I’ve found these conditions often present when a real change is occurring” You don’t need a signed confession and witnesses to convict! Some good points well made there. You are right you dont need confession or witnesses but on here it is sometmes more akin to witch dunking than informed opinion and analysis. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 23:02:10 GMT
You can’t always base opinion on hard fact. You judge it on critical analysis of factual data. 3 people might analyse it different and come to different conclusions. It’s like science. Everything changes, frequently. One original scientific thought is the sun orbits the Earth. Early human thinkers might have supposed: Sun rises east Sun sets West. Sun travels through sky similar to sling orbiting hand Sun orbits earth Then more data comes along and we revise our position. Do you scoff at religions and agnostics and speak about “what science has taught us”? Think on. In 100 years a lot of what you clung to as “fact” will be like believing leeches purified the blood. This is just a detour really but it’s well worth mentioning as you don’t need conclusive proof if your forming opinion, you just need to explain your analysis of what you know. This could even be “there are multiple rumours from multiple sources, and I’ve found these conditions often present when a real change is occurring” You don’t need a signed confession and witnesses to convict! There are different courtroom standards around the world, America has several within one country, but I wouldn't much care to live somewhere where you could be convicted based on the evidence put forward so far on this subject on this forum. |
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Oct 2, 2018 5:14:32 GMT
You can’t always base opinion on hard fact. You judge it on critical analysis of factual data. 3 people might analyse it different and come to different conclusions. It’s like science. Everything changes, frequently. One original scientific thought is the sun orbits the Earth. Early human thinkers might have supposed: Sun rises east Sun sets West. Sun travels through sky similar to sling orbiting hand Sun orbits earth Then more data comes along and we revise our position. Do you scoff at religions and agnostics and speak about “what science has taught us”? Think on. In 100 years a lot of what you clung to as “fact” will be like believing leeches purified the blood. This is just a detour really but it’s well worth mentioning as you don’t need conclusive proof if your forming opinion, you just need to explain your analysis of what you know. This could even be “there are multiple rumours from multiple sources, and I’ve found these conditions often present when a real change is occurring” You don’t need a signed confession and witnesses to convict! There are different courtroom standards around the world, America has several within one country, but I wouldn't much care to live somewhere where you could be convicted based on the evidence put forward so far on this subject on this forum. That’s ok because we’re not trying to actually get the board convicted. We’re just shooting the s**t on a forum. |
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