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Post by gasheadpirate on Aug 19, 2018 15:58:42 GMT
The club was bought to indulge Wael's passion for English football and his ambition to own a club. Do you remember that the stumbling block with UWE was that they wanted to see the colour of their money? It started to go downhill from there. UWE were surprised when they walked away. Make up your minds but after yesterday's insight, but DS do not have the funding to make the Stadium project or probably the training ground a reality. I will to use a phrase "roll with it". If this is true, I have no reason to doubt either way, then perhaps there should be a concerted effort to put pressure on Wael and DS at games and outside? The club can not afford to be in stasis, which looks like is going to be the case (other than some trimmings to try and placate - pool the wool over the eyes of - the masses).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2018 16:27:01 GMT
I am sure they can get money for the right project. UWE obviously wasnt it in the end. If it returned adequately on investment it probably would have gone ahead. They spent long enough trying to do something with it. Its obvious, there is/was no obvious plan for elsewhere or at The Mem. The question is are they working on one or not? If they are and can make the numbers add up, they can get investment. Its whether they are or not. But i go back to the point about just going with it. Hypotheticals and hot air on the internet has never changed anything and isnt going to change anything now. If it goes wrong will anybody be able to pick up the peices or will we just shrug our shoulders like before Unfortunately not as far as I can see unless we get another rescue like 1986 when the Dunford family came to our rescue. As for your comment about previous regimes doing less for us didn't one of them buy us a ground of our own after not having one for 60 odd years so maybe the did more than the current regime who are admittedly putting an infrastructure in place but on the other hand the debts have rocketed in the last 2 and half years to a state where it is nearly unsustainable. I know you will say we owe it to the owners but at some time they will call the debt in.where will that leave us
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Post by Peter Parker on Aug 19, 2018 16:27:07 GMT
The club was bought to indulge Wael's passion for English football and his ambition to own a club. Do you remember that the stumbling block with UWE was that they wanted to see the colour of their money? It started to go downhill from there. UWE were surprised when they walked away. Make up your minds but after yesterday's insight, but DS do not have the funding to make the Stadium project or probably the training ground a reality. I will to use a phrase "roll with it". If this is true, I have no reason to doubt either way, then perhaps there should be a concerted effort to put pressure on Wael and DS at games and outside? The club can not afford to be in stasis, which looks like is going to be the case (other than some trimmings to try and placate - pool the wool over the eyes of - the masses). Good luck with that
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Post by Peter Parker on Aug 19, 2018 16:30:35 GMT
I am sure they can get money for the right project. UWE obviously wasnt it in the end. If it returned adequately on investment it probably would have gone ahead. They spent long enough trying to do something with it. Its obvious, there is/was no obvious plan for elsewhere or at The Mem. The question is are they working on one or not? If they are and can make the numbers add up, they can get investment. Its whether they are or not. But i go back to the point about just going with it. Hypotheticals and hot air on the internet has never changed anything and isnt going to change anything now. If it goes wrong will anybody be able to pick up the peices or will we just shrug our shoulders like before Unfortunately not as far as I can see unless we get another rescue like 1986 when the Dunford family came to our rescue. As for your comment about previous regimes doing less for us didn't one of them buy us a ground of our own after not having one for 60 odd years so maybe the did more than the current regime who are admittedly putting an infrastructure in place but on the other hand the debts have rocketed in the last 2 and half years to a state where it is nearly unsustainable. I know you will say we owe it to the owners but at some time they will call the debt in.where will that leave us We moved to the Mem in 96. That was great, but since then what has happened at The Mem? Pretty much nothing, and what did was done with money from the fans. We are where we are. Not a lot any of us can do about it. If anyone would like to start anything against the ownership and get people to join them and do something, more power to them
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2018 16:32:23 GMT
If this is true, I have no reason to doubt either way, then perhaps there should be a concerted effort to put pressure on Wael and DS at games and outside? The club can not afford to be in stasis, which looks like is going to be the case (other than some trimmings to try and placate - pool the wool over the eyes of - the masses). Good luck with that Won't happen Simon there are too many happy clappers who have been conned into the fairy story that will shout you down or worse it's better to just sit back talk among ourselives and wait for the inevitable. My own gut feeling is that unless a knight in shining armour comes over the horizon we won't have a club in 5 or 10 years
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Post by Henbury Gas on Aug 19, 2018 17:00:00 GMT
' Can't discuss it due to confidentiality issues' implied something is happening behind the scenes.However I suspect that is not the case as despite the promise to re-build the Mem,no planning for even one stand has gone in.DC will lose his patience I suspect as development takes place at other grounds but only new temporary structures at our place.Not sure what Historians would call the style.'DIckensian' perhaps?Falling behind big time with non league grounds like Salford showing us the way. I always got the impression that Wael was a genuine guy but there is now too much evidence to the contrary.
No doubt he is in an awkward position but constantly being led down the garden path like this isn't acceptable. The time for some honesty was 12 months ago, Gasheads on the whole are a good bunch who have been though so much crap over so may years. We deserve better. Can you point me to this "evidence" so i can make a definitive comment on it........ Thanks for your help in this matter
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Post by PessimistGas on Aug 19, 2018 17:27:48 GMT
I always got the impression that Wael was a genuine guy but there is now too much evidence to the contrary.
No doubt he is in an awkward position but constantly being led down the garden path like this isn't acceptable. The time for some honesty was 12 months ago, Gasheads on the whole are a good bunch who have been though so much crap over so may years. We deserve better. Can you point me to this "evidence" so i can make a definitive comment on it........ Thanks for your help in this matter Where to start? Training ground eligible for Cat2 academy status (cost circa £10m)? Experts who have built not 1 but 12 stadiums? We have a beautiful piece of land? The bollocks about the 100 year plus lease being an issue? Coming in and appointing a top team of genuine experts in the field only to quietly let them go a few months later? Any interview from the past 2 years about pre planning with regards to the training ground when, in fact, there isn't enough money to do anything? Just off the top of my head. If you can point to anything he has said, probably ever, that isn't complete s**te let me know?
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Post by fatherjackhackett on Aug 19, 2018 17:28:22 GMT
The club was bought to indulge Wael's passion for English football and his ambition to own a club. Do you remember that the stumbling block with UWE was that they wanted to see the colour of their money? It started to go downhill from there. UWE were surprised when they walked away. Make up your minds but after yesterday's insight, but DS do not have the funding to make the Stadium project or probably the training ground a reality. I will to use a phrase "roll with it". If this is true, I have no reason to doubt either way, then perhaps there should be a concerted effort to put pressure on Wael and DS at games and outside? The club can not afford to be in stasis, which looks like is going to be the case (other than some trimmings to try and placate - pool the wool over the eyes of - the masses). Don’t be silly, that would mean some people getting off their backsides, staying out of the pub, stepping away from their keyboards and actually putting some effort in.
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Post by alloutofgas on Aug 19, 2018 17:41:06 GMT
I always got the impression that Wael was a genuine guy but there is now too much evidence to the contrary.
No doubt he is in an awkward position but constantly being led down the garden path like this isn't acceptable. The time for some honesty was 12 months ago, Gasheads on the whole are a good bunch who have been though so much crap over so may years. We deserve better. Can you point me to this "evidence" so i can make a definitive comment on it........ Thanks for your help in this matter ’There are none so blind as those who cannot see....’’ or something like that. The whole Dwayne Sports thing has been a total charade.
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Post by axegas on Aug 19, 2018 17:59:01 GMT
Can you point me to this "evidence" so i can make a definitive comment on it........ Thanks for your help in this matter Where to start? Training ground eligible for Cat2 academy status (cost circa £10m)? Experts who have built not 1 but 12 stadiums? We have a beautiful piece of land? The bollocks about the 100 year plus lease being an issue? Coming in and appointing a top team of genuine experts in the field only to quietly let them go a few months later? Any interview from the past 2 years about pre planning with regards to the training ground when, in fact, there isn't enough money to do anything? Just off the top of my head. If you can point to anything he has said, probably ever, that isn't complete s***e let me know? None of that means he isn't a nice guy. His personality and passion for Rovers often shine through. Most of it you haven't a clue of what has actually happened, can't see what basis you have to call it "complete s**te" unless you know something the rest of us don't?.
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Post by PessimistGas on Aug 19, 2018 18:08:57 GMT
Where to start? Training ground eligible for Cat2 academy status (cost circa £10m)? Experts who have built not 1 but 12 stadiums? We have a beautiful piece of land? The bollocks about the 100 year plus lease being an issue? Coming in and appointing a top team of genuine experts in the field only to quietly let them go a few months later? Any interview from the past 2 years about pre planning with regards to the training ground when, in fact, there isn't enough money to do anything? Just off the top of my head. If you can point to anything he has said, probably ever, that isn't complete s***e let me know? None of that means he isn't a nice guy. His personality and passion for Rovers often shine through. Most of it you haven't a clue of what has actually happened, can't see what basis you have to call it "complete s***e" unless you know something the rest of us don't?. I don't doubt his passion for it initially at least, seems to be fading somewhat now. Let's take 1 specific point about the experts working on on Mem who have built not 1 but 12 stadiums. Demonstrably s**te.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2018 18:20:34 GMT
Unfortunately not as far as I can see unless we get another rescue like 1986 when the Dunford family came to our rescue. As for your comment about previous regimes doing less for us didn't one of them buy us a ground of our own after not having one for 60 odd years so maybe the did more than the current regime who are admittedly putting an infrastructure in place but on the other hand the debts have rocketed in the last 2 and half years to a state where it is nearly unsustainable. I know you will say we owe it to the owners but at some time they will call the debt in.where will that leave us We moved to the Mem in 96. That was great, but since then what has happened at The Mem? Pretty much nothing, and what did was done with money from the fans. We are where we are. Not a lot any of us can do about it. If anyone would like to start anything against the ownership and get people to join them and do something, more power to them At least they were shrewd enough to have a deal in place to buy the ground if the rugby were in financial trouble which gives the current incumbents something to use as collsteral
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2018 18:37:38 GMT
None of that means he isn't a nice guy. His personality and passion for Rovers often shine through. Most of it you haven't a clue of what has actually happened, can't see what basis you have to call it "complete s***e" unless you know something the rest of us don't?.
You say that he is a "nice guy" that's your opinion,some of us think that he is full of BS,in the future we will see who is right.
As for his personality he seems like a Soapy type to me.
His "passion for Rovers", if he would have bought Gillingham would he be saying 'I love this club' about Rovers ?
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Post by axegas on Aug 19, 2018 18:43:48 GMT
None of that means he isn't a nice guy. His personality and passion for Rovers often shine through. Most of it you haven't a clue of what has actually happened, can't see what basis you have to call it "complete s***e" unless you know something the rest of us don't?. I don't doubt his passion for it initially at least, seems to be fading somewhat now. Let's take 1 specific point about the experts working on on Mem who have built not 1 but 12 stadiums. Demonstrably s***e. How do you know that they are not being used as a consultant for the plans the club are drawing up be that at the mem or elsewhere? That’s right, you don’t. The experts in question are AFL architects who have indeed built 12 stadiums previously, including the main stand at Stamford bridge which I believe is how Wael came to know of them being the Chelsea supporter that he is. www.afl-architects.com Wael was at both of the Peterborough and Accrington games and donated Rovers kit to the memorial match that he was scheduled to be at, certainly no signs that his passion is fading at all.
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Post by a more piratey game on Aug 19, 2018 18:51:29 GMT
FWIW I think Wael is still into it - BRFC has got under his skin
but I'm far from sure he can deliver what he has said he will
if he can get the training ground squared away, then there will only be the one big thing left. I thought he'd have got a lot farther with that, especially after the UWE disappointment, and it's not clear why he/the top team haven't
the two explanations seem to be SH's 'the cost keeps going up', and 'DS don't want to put money into something that they might not own in the short term'
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2018 19:00:15 GMT
If there is no exit route available to DS, it does seem strange that they are prepared to back the operational losses being incurred by recruiting the coaches etc to bring the team together that DC wants, and to employ people at senior level tasked with further developing the club. That must surely infer only two things, a) there is a plan, or b) they are stupid. This is it. As AMPG said before. They don't INVEST in permanent assets they could sell. They do SPEND on recruitment and wages of staff they can't. A plan? Stupidity? Folie á deux?
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Post by PessimistGas on Aug 19, 2018 19:05:44 GMT
I don't doubt his passion for it initially at least, seems to be fading somewhat now. Let's take 1 specific point about the experts working on on Mem who have built not 1 but 12 stadiums. Demonstrably s***e. How do you know that they are not being used as a consultant for the plans the club are drawing up be that at the mem or elsewhere? That’s right, you don’t. The experts in question are AFL architects who have indeed built 12 stadiums previously, including the main stand at Stamford bridge which I believe is how Wael came to know of them being the Chelsea supporter that he is. www.afl-architects.com Wael was at both of the Peterborough and Accrington games and donated Rovers kit to the memorial match that he was scheduled to be at, certainly no signs that his passion is fading at all. I don't know that AFL architects aren't being used as consultants for non existent stadium plans that are being drawn up. That's correct. On the balance of probabilities though.. .. Clearly you have come to a different conclusion.
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Post by PessimistGas on Aug 19, 2018 19:09:38 GMT
If there is no exit route available to DS, it does seem strange that they are prepared to back the operational losses being incurred by recruiting the coaches etc to bring the team together that DC wants, and to employ people at senior level tasked with further developing the club. That must surely infer only two things, a) there is a plan, or b) they are stupid. This is it. As AMPG said before. They don't INVEST in permanent assets they could sell. They do SPEND on recruitment and wages of staff they can't. A plan? Stupidity? Folie á deux? Indeed. A very wide interpretation of the term "infrastructure" being adopted by many.
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Post by gasheadpirate on Aug 19, 2018 19:58:16 GMT
If this is true, I have no reason to doubt either way, then perhaps there should be a concerted effort to put pressure on Wael and DS at games and outside? The club can not afford to be in stasis, which looks like is going to be the case (other than some trimmings to try and placate - pool the wool over the eyes of - the masses). Don’t be silly, that would mean some people getting off their backsides, staying out of the pub, stepping away from their keyboards and actually putting some effort in. Sorry father, not sure what I was thinking. 😂
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Post by Colyton Gas. on Aug 19, 2018 20:06:19 GMT
When we first moved to the Mem we had a scheme which we paid into monthly for the good of the club but I pulled out after a few years.Is it still going?
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