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Post by Colyton Gas. on Aug 19, 2018 9:54:37 GMT
' Can't discuss it due to confidentiality issues' implied something is happening behind the scenes.However I suspect that is not the case as despite the promise to re-build the Mem,no planning for even one stand has gone in.DC will lose his patience I suspect as development takes place at other grounds but only new temporary structures at our place.Not sure what Historians would call the architectural style.'DIckensian' perhaps?Falling behind big time with non league grounds like Salford showing us the way.
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Post by vaughan on Aug 19, 2018 9:56:19 GMT
Given the total absence of funding, confirmed yesterday, Wael is kidding us with us when he says that they are looking at all viable options.
Nothing is viable without funding.
His interview was nothing more than waffle which obscured reality.
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Post by PessimistGas on Aug 19, 2018 10:15:21 GMT
' Can't discuss it due to confidentiality issues' implied something is happening behind the scenes.However I suspect that is not the case as despite the promise to re-build the Mem,no planning for even one stand has gone in.DC will lose his patience I suspect as development takes place at other grounds but only new temporary structures at our place.Not sure what Historians would call the style.'DIckensian' perhaps?Falling behind big time with non league grounds like Salford showing us the way. I always got the impression that Wael was a genuine guy but there is now too much evidence to the contrary. No doubt he is in an awkward position but constantly being led down the garden path like this isn't acceptable. The time for some honesty was 12 months ago, Gasheads on the whole are a good bunch who have been though so much crap over so may years. We deserve better.
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Post by a more piratey game on Aug 19, 2018 10:28:49 GMT
This has been pretty obvious for some time, even those still in denial know deep down they are kidding themselves. Begs the question that when Wael said funding was no issue and it would be funded through "investments" - was he knowingly trying to mislead or does he just live in a dreamworld? I could pick out numerous other examples. The other question is that when he says the training ground will "definitely happen" is he also misleading us? It appears that there isn't enough funding to build anything halfway suitable. what is it Warren Buffett says - it takes years to build a reputation, but can take only moments to lose it, or something like that?
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Post by a more piratey game on Aug 19, 2018 10:38:27 GMT
This has been pretty obvious for some time, even those still in denial know deep down they are kidding themselves. Begs the question that when Wael said funding was no issue and it would be funded through "investments" - was he knowingly trying to mislead or does he just live in a dreamworld? I could pick out numerous other examples. The other question is that when he says the training ground will "definitely happen" is he also misleading us? It appears that there isn't enough funding to build anything halfway suitable. what is it Warren Buffett says - it takes years to build a reputation, but can take only moments to lose it, or something like that? I've just googled it - the above is close enough. Also.... 'We can afford to lose money - even a lot of money. But we can't afford to lose reputation - even a shred of reputation.'
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Post by vaughan on Aug 19, 2018 10:41:36 GMT
We have been let down. Let's not fudge it.
A Jordanian bank that does not want to invest in us.
How long before they have to admit that there were no viable options and sell the club? That's if they can find a buyer.
Wael is squirming (detected in his tone) as he knows it is a matter of time before he is found out.
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Post by fatherjackhackett on Aug 19, 2018 10:47:50 GMT
I’m past caring, for as long as people just gossip on an Internet echo chamber and do sos all else.
It’s not our club, never will be and arguably never has been. Relax, chill out and ‘enjoy’ what’s on the pitch. Life really is too short to get worked up about things you have bugger all influence over.
If a demonstration is ever called I’ll be the first to sign up. Otherwise it’s, as the Specials once said, a load of bollox.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2018 11:04:13 GMT
We have been let down. Let's not fudge it. A Jordanian bank that does not want to invest in us. How long before they have to admit that there were no viable options and sell the club? That's if they can find a buyer. Wael is squirming (detected in his tone) as he knows it is a matter of time before he is found out. I agree 100%,I will add that when it does all go t1ts up it wont be his fault ! everyone else (including the supporters) will be blamed.
There do remain loads of questions,I am interested to know why the employed a CEO ? when they must have always known that they couldn't afford to build a stadium. Also what about the debt that they are running up ? if they don't want to spend money how will they manage the debt? and how will they get their money back ? All will become obvious over the next couple of years I suppose.
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Post by bloogas on Aug 19, 2018 11:09:12 GMT
I’m past caring, for as long as people just gossip on an Internet echo chamber and do sos all else. It’s not our club, never will be and arguably never has been. Relax, chill out and ‘enjoy’ what’s on the pitch. Life really is too short to get worked up about things you have bugger all influence over. If a demonstration is ever called I’ll be the first to sign up. Otherwise it’s, as the Specials once said, a load of bollox. Absolutely FJH,bang on. As I don't expect too many more seasons on this mortal coil,I ain't gonna worry too much about BRFC. Just try to enjoy what's good about it. Mind you, I love reading some of the pretentious,pompous twaddle on here.
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Post by Peter Parker on Aug 19, 2018 11:44:24 GMT
I’m past caring, for as long as people just gossip on an Internet echo chamber and do sos all else. It’s not our club, never will be and arguably never has been. Relax, chill out and ‘enjoy’ what’s on the pitch. Life really is too short to get worked up about things you have bugger all influence over. If a demonstration is ever called I’ll be the first to sign up. Otherwise it’s, as the Specials once said, a load of bollox. Indeed, no one ever really does anything about it so why worry too much. I can hold my hands up and say I am as guilty as anybody else in the past. All it ever is, is talk on the internet, never any action. If it goes bang, it goes bang. Then we will see what happens then Even then, the owners that may or may not want to be here, or put any money in, have still done more in two and a half years then we have seen in 20 odd
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Post by alloutofgas on Aug 19, 2018 12:18:12 GMT
The point is after the takeover the overriding implication was of substantial investment in the clubs infrastructure, team and general profile. Talk of ‘Academy 2 status’ training facilities and a fundamental transformation of ragbag Rovers. Even the most optimistic of supporters after two and a half years can see this is blatantly not the case. The club and it’s day to day running is worse than it has ever been. More temporary stands, price hiles, staff mildly critical of the way the club is being run into the ground are sacked. More debt being racked up against the value of the Mem. A President, a Chairman, a CEO, Gorringe (whatever the @@@@ he is?) all adding to the wage bill and achieving nothing. We are going down the toilet at this rate. This whole episode could be the biggest threat to BRFC in its entire history. If a takeover is in the offing, I hope it is soon.
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Post by harrybuckle on Aug 19, 2018 13:24:29 GMT
The point is after the takeover the overriding implication was of substantial investment in the clubs infrastructure, team and general profile. Talk of ‘Academy 2 status’ training facilities and a fundamental transformation of ragbag Rovers. Even the most optimistic of supporters after two and a half years can see this is blatantly not the case. The club and it’s day to day running is worse than it has ever been. More temporary stands, price hiles, staff mildly critical of the way the club is being run into the ground are sacked. More debt being racked up against the value of the Mem. A President, a Chairman, a CEO, Gorringe (whatever the @@@@ he is?) all adding to the wage bill and achieving nothing. We are going down the toilet at this rate. This whole episode could be the biggest threat to BRFC in its entire history. If a takeover is in the offing, I hope it is soon. a tad over the top the infrastructure for the Academy is the best it has ever been a full time scout, full time defensive coach, full time Development squad manager, full time Under 18s coach, goalkeeping coaches at every level, fitness coaches, physios and loads of academy youth coaches.
As you state CEO, Chairman, Commercial Director, Staff costs must be very high now.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2018 13:30:43 GMT
The point is after the takeover the overriding implication was of substantial investment in the clubs infrastructure, team and general profile. Talk of ‘Academy 2 status’ training facilities and a fundamental transformation of ragbag Rovers. Even the most optimistic of supporters after two and a half years can see this is blatantly not the case. The club and it’s day to day running is worse than it has ever been. More temporary stands, price hiles, staff mildly critical of the way the club is being run into the ground are sacked. More debt being racked up against the value of the Mem. A President, a Chairman, a CEO, Gorringe (whatever the @@@@ he is?) all adding to the wage bill and achieving nothing. We are going down the toilet at this rate. This whole episode could be the biggest threat to BRFC in its entire history. If a takeover is in the offing, I hope it is soon. You forgot the London office ! but still the best post I have read on here for a long time.
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Post by tauntongas on Aug 19, 2018 13:36:05 GMT
The point is after the takeover the overriding implication was of substantial investment in the clubs infrastructure, team and general profile. Talk of ‘Academy 2 status’ training facilities and a fundamental transformation of ragbag Rovers. Even the most optimistic of supporters after two and a half years can see this is blatantly not the case. The club and it’s day to day running is worse than it has ever been. More temporary stands, price hiles, staff mildly critical of the way the club is being run into the ground are sacked. More debt being racked up against the value of the Mem. A President, a Chairman, a CEO, Gorringe (whatever the @@@@ he is?) all adding to the wage bill and achieving nothing. We are going down the toilet at this rate. This whole episode could be the biggest threat to BRFC in its entire history. If a takeover is in the offing, I hope it is soon. This has to be satire?
There is criticism which can be justifiably and constructively given to the board; there are a lot of things that they need to get right but in my 28 years of watching Rovers, this is by far and away the most professional Rovers have ever been as a club.
HB's reference to the staff we currently have at Rovers and I would add the presence of a properly managed development squad are two things that I can't ever remember us having to the standard we do now.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2018 13:42:56 GMT
If there is no exit route available to DS, it does seem strange that they are prepared to back the operational losses being incurred by recruiting the coaches etc to bring the team together that DC wants, and to employ people at senior level tasked with further developing the club. That must surely infer only two things, a) there is a plan, or b) they are stupid.
Take yer pick
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Post by gasheadpirate on Aug 19, 2018 13:47:10 GMT
DS good points - development squad, support staff for the squad, some investment in the first team, short-term improvements at the Mem, modernisation of the ticketing arrangements.
DS bad points - poor communication (even when there is communication nothing of any substance); no evidence that plan ever B existed, or any other plan to replace the UWE scheme; deathly silence on the training ground but Wael insists it will happen, despite no progress on planning, what stages are to implemented or when.
Looks like they hope to either develop young players to sell to keep the debt down but never invest in infrastructure or hoping we do well in the league and sell to an unsuspecting buyer (but will anyone be fooled like DS?). Can’t see DS providing the infrastructure needed and the club just about surviving as it has done for its entire history.
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Post by a more piratey game on Aug 19, 2018 14:08:41 GMT
If there is no exit route available to DS, it does seem strange that they are prepared to back the operational losses being incurred by recruiting the coaches etc to bring the team together that DC wants, and to employ people at senior level tasked with further developing the club. That must surely infer only two things, a) there is a plan, or b) they are stupid. Take yer pick a good summary. It's not an easy choice at this stage though, is it?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2018 14:40:01 GMT
Where to begin with deconstructing this? Because, if true, it is just about the biggest slap in the face there could be.
Can't secure funding: so let me get this straight, a middle eastern banking family cannot secure some 30 odd million for a stadium project. Are they on every creditor's blacklist in their local area or what? Or are they just not the credible business people that we have been lead to believe that they are by those on the other forum? Mind you, it probably doesn't help when the creditors ask how much the family themselves are putting in only to be told £0.00. I can't get over it.
Leading on from that, no funding yet still no intention to sell. Are we finally at the point where we can deduce that Wael is still here because he enjoys his gig as football league chairman? He doesn't have the ability to move us forward but he won't let go either. Mind you he could put us up for sale if he wants now there would be no buyers because we have been saddled with so much extra debt since they took over that it is out of the reach of all but the super-rich and the super-insane.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2018 14:49:29 GMT
I don't want to be an ITK, but based on a reliable source, the new Stadium is not going to happen, as they can not secure funding from any source. They are just prepared to sit on the asset in the hope that someone will come forward. DS will not provide the funds. I really trust the source as he was in long conversations at today's game who is definitely ITK. At least I know what the issue is, but this has been suspected for such a long time. Emperor's new clothes. This has been pretty obvious for some time, even those still in denial know deep down they are kidding themselves. Begs the question that when Wael said funding was no issue and it would be funded through "investments" - was he knowingly trying to mislead or does he just live in a dreamworld? I could pick out numerous other examples. The other question is that when he says the training ground will "definitely happen" is he also misleading us? It appears that there isn't enough funding to build anything halfway suitable. I feel slightly sorry for him but if this is the new reality then he needs to stop this charade right now and come clean because it's getting embarrassing for him. If he went on 20man and gave a brutally honest summary of exactly where we are and how we got to this point and confirmed that he was actively looking for outside investment I would have a whole lot more respect for him than continuing with the nonsense of the past 2 years. I feel there could still be a way back. Begs more questions about the UWE which I have asked before. - Did DS simply not have the funds? - Did DS have the funds didn't didn't have the appitite for the risk? - Was the UWE really not in the long term interests of BRFC or did it just not provide a level of return in the short to medium term the DS required? - Was that level of return remotely realistic? - Have we just missed out on the greatest opportunity any of us are likely to see? None of the above has been satisfactorily answered and in amongst the truths, half truths and, frankly, flat out untruths, I'm not sure how anyone can have any confidence in anything that has been said or is said in the future. A complete and utter farce. How do we know they ever intended, or had the funds (same thing in many ways) to build the UWE in the first place? Wael made a comment at the time of the takeover to the effect that they were looking for a reasonably priced club to takeover, they were also interested in buying other clubs before rocking up at Rovers so that negates the idea that they chose us specifically because of the UWE deal. Is it so hard to imagine that they were simply looking for a cheap buy in to English football and then moved the goalposts so much with the UWE deal (hotels, freehold etc) that it became untenable and Dwane sports could then walk away and save face when they never had the investment to start with? I too would love to know the full ins and outs of the deal because I too really worry that this was the best opportunity Rovers are ever likely to have and it might have been put out to pasture too easily because the owners put their interests before the club.
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Post by vaughan on Aug 19, 2018 15:51:17 GMT
The club was bought to indulge Wael's passion for English football and his ambition to own a club.
Do you remember that the stumbling block with UWE was that they wanted to see the colour of their money? It started to go downhill from there. UWE were surprised when they walked away.
Make up your minds but after yesterday's insight, but DS do not have the funding to make the Stadium project or probably the training ground a reality.
I will to use a phrase "roll with it".
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