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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 10:20:54 GMT
Alright mate you know me I’m more pessimistic than you but there’s a few on the other forum who are convinced there’s something going on regarding uwe / new stadium you heard anything ? I’m a sceptic but timescale mentioned for just after Xmas so maybe we will have something to celebrate in magaluf in may unless it’s dempo that’s knowall utg ☠️ Been told that the family want to sell but Wael wants to retain 25%. Somebody from Southampton wants to buy the club but he wants the 92% the Al-Qadi's own. This may be BS but it's what I've heard. Colony is being held up because the Al-Qadi's don't want to spend money on something they may not own in a few months time This is what worries me about Wael's involvement- if somebody wants to buy us out what value would he bring in order to justify his 25%? Without the family behind him he seems to have as mich clout as a geezer from the terraces who got to play president for a bit. Any prospective buyer would doubtless want their own people involved and don't need a guy with an honorary title hanging around from the previous regime.
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Post by One F in Dunford on Aug 13, 2018 10:39:28 GMT
Apparently the bar on the West Stand side has now decided not to serve tea or coffee anymore which has upset quite a lot of fans sitting over there Good news in my opinion. Frustrating queuing up for a pint and the barman goes off to make a hot beverage. As The Father says they can pop to the pasty hut.
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Post by a more piratey game on Aug 13, 2018 10:48:22 GMT
Just heard the interview
20pexcellent as ever
Wael had nothing to say. It was probably better to show up and say nothing new than not to. But what triggered his appearance?
The first home game, after some encouraging signings? He felt a bit stung by some of the social media stuff, and maybe felt they particularly dropped one over the Kb exit? A desire to be seen in/own the role to influence negotiations with new parties? Being a bit more of a face for the club post-Kb and in case dc jumps?
Answers on a postcard please....
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 13, 2018 12:15:53 GMT
Apparently the bar on the West Stand side has now decided not to serve tea or coffee anymore which has upset quite a lot of fans sitting over there i must have imagined the bloke in front of my ordering, and receiving, two Bovrils (in August!) on the West Enclosure pasty hut then. EDIT: Just realised you meant the bar. Couldn’t they have got a tea from the pasty hut then and took it into the bar. Not exactly a hardship is it? Yeah but, no but, yeah but, no but..... they wouldn't have anything to moan about would they. People were looking for something to moan about on Friday before the game. I would have thought they would have enough to moan about with the team not the improvements!!!
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 13, 2018 12:17:59 GMT
And it's great that the bar facilities have been improved. Just a bit of a shame that it's the fans who will actually be paying for it with beer at £4 a pint and £4 for a pasty. I kind of agree that the football club is a community thing, but actually it also needs revenue. Most football clubs lose money (TV money aside for the lucky ones). £4 a pint isn't cheap but its not Friday night out prices either. As for the pasty, that is toppy. £4 for a pasty is toppish but no more than other entertainment outlets, but as for having Epping in his Gas name the last time I was in Epping it was more than £4 a pint in the pubs....
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Post by Cheshiregas on Aug 13, 2018 12:21:21 GMT
Just heard the interview 20pexcellent as ever Wael had nothing to say. It was probably better to show up and say nothing new than not to. But what triggered his appearance? The first home game, after some encouraging signings? He felt a bit stung by some of the social media stuff, and maybe felt they particularly dropped one over the Kb exit? A desire to be seen in/own the role to influence negotiations with new parties? Being a bit more of a face for the club post-Kb and in case dc jumps? Answers on a postcard please.... Fans have been moaning they get little communication from the owners.... Owner does an interview Fans moaning about the owner having an interview and not saying what they demand to hear as it is their right. If I was Wael I would give it up as a bad job.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 21:33:57 GMT
I kind of agree that the football club is a community thing, but actually it also needs revenue. Most football clubs lose money (TV money aside for the lucky ones). £4 a pint isn't cheap but its not Friday night out prices either. As for the pasty, that is toppy. £4 for a pasty is toppish but no more than other entertainment outlets, but as for having Epping in his Gas name the last time I was in Epping it was more than £4 a pint in the pubs.... Before nice if I could get a pint at 1.30 they were not letting anymore in the old clubhouse bar so I thought no problem I will get one in the caravan at rear of South West stand but it was gone then tried to get in bar in West stand but was not allowed because I had a terrace ticket so much for improving my match day experience I had to watch that performance stone cold sober
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Post by RiversGas on Aug 13, 2018 23:13:48 GMT
didnt hear the interview and dont want to. Countless people pulling apart what was or wasnt said, looking for negatives or positives. Probably shouldnt have bothered doing it, but no doubt would have got stick if he hadnt. If the Al-Qadis want out, then fine. Not much you or I can do about that and it will be about finding the right buyer for us and the Al-Qadis. If they are here to stay, then they are playing the long game, which they have said from the start, but might take longer than hoped. Whatever happens, things have been and are being implemented to increase revenue and the general respectability of a neglected stadium. Which is a positive for us and whomever is in charge of the team and the club even if it isnt what we ideally want or the ultimate goal Not a lot we can do about it, and not like anyone will try anyway Hey at least people can moan about the team as well now for good measure A measured & rational post,Pete,but of course, not welcomed here. I agree with you. A few years ago a fan tried to start a Supporters' Trust. He was met with ridicule & apathy. So if fans aren't willing to put their money where their mouth is they'll have to accept owners who do as they wish - & don't throw money at the club. Totally different sports but same sentiment. Near where I live, a master planned housing development commenced about 10 years ago. My daughter bought a property there as it included a resort style golf club. Great views, walking paths, local flora and fauna, potential high resale values. Golf club now going broke and potentially being sold for a nursing home. Residents up in arms as if sale occurs their potentially high resale values will never be achieved, and they will lose their views. None are prepared to join the club or play golf thereby injecting their funds to returning the club to sustainability but want the owner of the club to continue losing money so they can profit.
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Post by PessimistGas on Aug 13, 2018 23:19:19 GMT
I think this pretty much sums it up. In terms of legal disclosure/ confidentiality - we have purchased the Colony land and have supposedly appointed a project manager to design and build a training ground within a budget. What's the need for strict confidentiality which would stop regular updates? Absolute nonsense to the point of being disingenuous.We have a budget but Hamer has hinted that it keeps being exceeded. Basically Hani won't release enough funds to build anything halfway suitable. Let's face it, it's not happening. Are you 100% sure they ONLY want to build an academy on a 29 acres site ?, If so thats one big Academy. A better use of that land would be a mixed development of some kind. i let you guess what they have in mind. That takes time to develop plans and get a pre planning "Nod" from our friends in South Gloucester planning No of course I am not 100% sure of anything. What I have done is tried to critically evaluate all of the available evidence and would conclude that is extremely unlikely. I could be completely wrong and there is some sort of masterplan going in the background, but there is zero evidence for that. I understand the clutching at straws and clinging to any peice of hope, however irrational. I have also read enough of your posts over a few years hinting that you know more than you do, precisely zero of which have proved to have any substance whatsoever. If that isn't the intention then I apologise but it's time to get real.
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Post by PessimistGas on Aug 13, 2018 23:35:59 GMT
didnt hear the interview and dont want to. Countless people pulling apart what was or wasnt said, looking for negatives or positives. Probably shouldnt have bothered doing it, but no doubt would have got stick if he hadnt. If the Al-Qadis want out, then fine. Not much you or I can do about that and it will be about finding the right buyer for us and the Al-Qadis. If they are here to stay, then they are playing the long game, which they have said from the start, but might take longer than hoped. Whatever happens, things have been and are being implemented to increase revenue and the general respectability of a neglected stadium. Which is a positive for us and whomever is in charge of the team and the club even if it isnt what we ideally want or the ultimate goal Not a lot we can do about it, and not like anyone will try anyway Hey at least people can moan about the team as well now for good measure I fully respect your position as you have been completely consistent. I disagree with you, but there you go. I do remember our discussions from a year ago after the UWE collapse about not jumping to conclusions, rumour and conjecture about a rift in the family it must be hard as that proves to be more and more accurate with each passing month. I think it's clear now the AQ's won't be around in 5 years, maybe even 2. It's a very uncertain future. Maybe there isn't much anyone can do about it, but going to the ground every other week and happy clapping the team isn't going to make this go away. It's a subject I think it's important to discuss even if we are all ultimately powerless. They are custodians of the club who should be held to account.
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Post by Peter Parker on Aug 14, 2018 4:47:42 GMT
didnt hear the interview and dont want to. Countless people pulling apart what was or wasnt said, looking for negatives or positives. Probably shouldnt have bothered doing it, but no doubt would have got stick if he hadnt. If the Al-Qadis want out, then fine. Not much you or I can do about that and it will be about finding the right buyer for us and the Al-Qadis. If they are here to stay, then they are playing the long game, which they have said from the start, but might take longer than hoped. Whatever happens, things have been and are being implemented to increase revenue and the general respectability of a neglected stadium. Which is a positive for us and whomever is in charge of the team and the club even if it isnt what we ideally want or the ultimate goal Not a lot we can do about it, and not like anyone will try anyway Hey at least people can moan about the team as well now for good measure I fully respect your position as you have been completely consistent. I disagree with you, but there you go. I do remember our discussions from a year ago after the UWE collapse about not jumping to conclusions, rumour and conjecture about a rift in the family it must be hard as that proves to be more and more accurate with each passing month. I think it's clear now the AQ's won't be around in 5 years, maybe even 2. It's a very uncertain future. Maybe there isn't much anyone can do about it, but going to the ground every other week and happy clapping the team isn't going to make this go away. It's a subject I think it's important to discuss even if we are all ultimately powerless. They are custodians of the club who should be held to account. I dont necessarily disagree with you. This is nothing new though andfor the past 15 years or more there have been discussions of accountability and what not and the arguments fo round in circles. The time to affect real changw was when NH waw in charge or before. That ship has sailed. We aa fans either have to pick up the peices if it goes wrong, 'support' the current ownership or hope someone rolls up with a truck load of money (which seems to be what people want, but will no doubt moan about when if it comes because it aint the Rovers I know etc) As I say its always talk and very little action on this side of the fencr and I can hold my hands up to that as much as anyone else. Years of it have just shaped my opinion to just roll with it now
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Post by vaughan on Aug 14, 2018 7:56:40 GMT
Please heed this advice.
Ignore the wink-wink nonsense from the likes of Henbury and the Ciders on the other platform.
They are proverbial click-teasers. They know nothing. In short, they are just a bunch of winkers.
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Post by a more piratey game on Aug 14, 2018 9:24:39 GMT
Please heed this advice. Ignore the wink-wink nonsense from the likes of Henbury and the Ciders on the other platform. They are proverbial click-teasers. They know nothing. In short, they are just a bunch of winkers. Agree with this they attend everything, so do sometimes overhear things or learn things which are not widely known, but these are generally incomplete snippets which they use to bait people for their own purposes, and maybe self-aggrandizement any normal fan would just post what they've heard, as badbloodash did on here yesterday
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Post by Henbury Gas on Aug 14, 2018 9:36:16 GMT
Are you 100% sure they ONLY want to build an academy on a 29 acres site ?, If so thats one big Academy. A better use of that land would be a mixed development of some kind. i let you guess what they have in mind. That takes time to develop plans and get a pre planning "Nod" from our friends in South Gloucester planning No of course I am not 100% sure of anything. What I have done is tried to critically evaluate all of the available evidence and would conclude that is extremely unlikely. I could be completely wrong and there is some sort of masterplan going in the background, but there is zero evidence for that. I understand the clutching at straws and clinging to any peice of hope, however irrational. I have also read enough of your posts over a few years hinting that you know more than you do, precisely zero of which have proved to have any substance whatsoever. If that isn't the intention then I apologise but it's time to get real. No need to apologise and i fully understand your concerns. The reason for my question was with the new planning recommendations by Central Govt, the provision of some green belt land for housing has just come into effect (Apr). I just wondered if in light of those changes our "Planning consultants" are looking at their proposals to include some form of housing development as part of the larger development.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2018 9:47:28 GMT
No of course I am not 100% sure of anything. What I have done is tried to critically evaluate all of the available evidence and would conclude that is extremely unlikely. I could be completely wrong and there is some sort of masterplan going in the background, but there is zero evidence for that. I understand the clutching at straws and clinging to any peice of hope, however irrational. I have also read enough of your posts over a few years hinting that you know more than you do, precisely zero of which have proved to have any substance whatsoever. If that isn't the intention then I apologise but it's time to get real. No need to apologise and i fully understand your concerns. The reason for my question was with the new planning recommendations by Central Govt, the provision of some green belt land for housing has just come into effect (Apr). I just wondered if in light of those changes our "Planning consultants" are looking at their proposals to include some form of housing development as part of the larger development. It’s not 29 acres though is it, more like 9. I know the history of this site, the previous owners and the issues that they had to get planning to build on the old hospital. I would be amazed if planning was ever granted for full scale development of the training ground for housing but if there is im sure the previous owners will have a covenant attatched to the sale. I believe that they already have permission for a couple of properties on part of the site so that might help.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Aug 14, 2018 10:00:47 GMT
No need to apologise and i fully understand your concerns. The reason for my question was with the new planning recommendations by Central Govt, the provision of some green belt land for housing has just come into effect (Apr). I just wondered if in light of those changes our "Planning consultants" are looking at their proposals to include some form of housing development as part of the larger development. It’s not 29 acres though is it, more like 9. I know the history of this site, the previous owners and the issues that they had to get planning to build on the old hospital. I would be amazed if planning was ever granted for full scale development of the training ground for housing but if there is im sure the previous owners will have a covenant attatched to the sale. I believe that they already have permission for a couple of properties on part of the site so that might help. www.bristolrovers.co.uk/news/2017/february/training-ground-purchased/I stand corrected its 28 acres
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2018 11:21:56 GMT
didnt hear the interview and dont want to. Countless people pulling apart what was or wasnt said, looking for negatives or positives. Probably shouldnt have bothered doing it, but no doubt would have got stick if he hadnt. If the Al-Qadis want out, then fine. Not much you or I can do about that and it will be about finding the right buyer for us and the Al-Qadis. If they are here to stay, then they are playing the long game, which they have said from the start, but might take longer than hoped. Whatever happens, things have been and are being implemented to increase revenue and the general respectability of a neglected stadium. Which is a positive for us and whomever is in charge of the team and the club even if it isnt what we ideally want or the ultimate goal Not a lot we can do about it, and not like anyone will try anyway Hey at least people can moan about the team as well now for good measure I fully respect your position as you have been completely consistent. I disagree with you, but there you go. I do remember our discussions from a year ago after the UWE collapse about not jumping to conclusions, rumour and conjecture about a rift in the family it must be hard as that proves to be more and more accurate with each passing month. I think it's clear now the AQ's won't be around in 5 years, maybe even 2. It's a very uncertain future. Maybe there isn't much anyone can do about it, but going to the ground every other week and happy clapping the team isn't going to make this go away. It's a subject I think it's important to discuss even if we are all ultimately powerless. They are custodians of the club who should be held to account. Part of the problem is that those who have grave concerns are very much in the minority- perhaps there would have been converts en mass if we had failed to invest after losing Harrsion but signing Payne has rocked anyone even remotely bothered safely back to sleep. For the vast majority "we are exploring all viable options" is a perfectly palatable message to swallow.
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Post by vaughan on Aug 14, 2018 12:40:20 GMT
A good PR man would have insisted that Wael wheel his brother out in order to dispel any myths that DS were not supportive.
What this family have completely underestimated is that in this country we analyse everything to death. Wael was taken aback by the questions around family support. However, in this aspect of the interview, Wael was found wanting and OF COURSE IT MATTERS, as DS manage the investment portfolio.
Wael is standing more and mord alone in finding an investment vehicle for a new Stadium.
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Post by Angas on Aug 14, 2018 12:45:57 GMT
Re "in this country". Is it possible that in Wael's country, no-one assumes to speak on behalf of anyone other than themself? (He said he could answer on his own behalf as he was there in person. Others weren't.)
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Post by Peter Parker on Aug 14, 2018 12:50:18 GMT
A good PR man would have insisted that Wael wheel his brother out in order to dispel any myths that DS were not supportive. What this family have completely underestimated is that in this country we analyse everything to death. Wael was taken aback by the questions around family support. However, in this aspect of the interview, Wael was found wanting and OF COURSE IT MATTERS, as DS manage the investment portfolio. Wael is standing more and mord alone in finding an investment vehicle for a new Stadium. It's almost death by analysis Vaughn.
If Wael said Dwane Sports are 100% committed, some people would just call BS and he was trotting out a line and pointing out Wael never said anything tangible anyway.
Even if Hani was wheeled out, and he said similar, people would call BS and probably call him a devious banker or something worse
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