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Post by vaughan on Aug 23, 2018 15:13:14 GMT
Epping,
I'll buy you a pint after a game.
In DC we invest.
You can talk about Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations if you like...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2018 15:25:20 GMT
Seriously though, turnover (60%) dictates the wage bill in SCMP terms, so every penny spent in Stadium theoretically goes to fund players. It is not coming from any donations or equity funding on part of AlQs. Not having pot-shots, but the reality is that how BCFC supplement their wage-bill via SL. They have SL. We have SR. Sausage Rolls. How can the supporters be expected to stump up when DS won't? I'd like to see DS say they will match every supporter's £1 with a percentage input of their own towards the playing budget. As it is they have bought the club and are expecting literally everyone else to invest their money (even unknown investors) to fund the place whilst the minimum they put in (which funds an office in London) is secured so they can potentially get it back. Lead by example, I say.
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Post by eppinggas on Aug 23, 2018 17:42:16 GMT
On Tom G interview he stated that profits from food and drink go to DC playing budget. As this is the only statement I have heard I believe him unless you can post something factual that means he lied. Please add link to the Tom G interview where this was said. Thanks in advance.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 23, 2018 17:45:00 GMT
Hey KP I wanted to believe: my Uncle Steve H kept telling me not to disbelieve. But dangerous talk within a Directors Box has convinced me. I was texted on Sat evening with the info and the source is the most reliable I would believe. No axe to grind: just info. I spent last night reading about Foundation of Hearts, their 3 mill funding of their new Main Stand and the anticipated return of 3 million a year from 15 million capital outlay to build a 8,000 capacity stand. Too much BS from Wael. I like his demeanour, half believe that he wants to stay but have Kelvin zero confidence that DS will build / redevelop a new Stadium. You have seen the light. There have been some developments but I can’t and won’t say anything just yet, not until I have verified the information. You see, as some think, I am not anti family. I just am inquisitive and always ask questions. If this leads to me being unpopular then so be it, I’m old enough and ugly enough to cope. I am pro Bristol Rovers and all my aim is, is to ask the club to substantiate the talk. I have yet to hear one grain of truth from something they have said about training facilities and stadium. If it were the most popular people in the world, I would still be asking the same questions. My problem now is that I think any integrity that was banked, has been spunked away on avoidance and BS. I’m sorry of this offends some but I see stagnation and a manager who is so frustrated that even he has taken to interviews to vent his frustrations. I am happy to share my sources but via email and if you send me a PM then I can send you my email details. The latest stuff, is coming from the red side. If true then we could all be in for a shock but it’s not SL buying us so don’t get too upset
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Post by eppinggas on Aug 23, 2018 17:45:19 GMT
Epping, I'll buy you a pint after a game. In DC we invest. You can talk about Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations if you like... Sounds reasonable. I'll even buy you a pint in return. In DC we trust and invest. Via DS, via BRFC.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 23, 2018 17:46:36 GMT
Only one thing left out. A refusal to accept outside funding to add to that vaughan Perhaps the AQ's are selective about the type of person they accept funding from? I have no idea so don’t know
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Post by a more piratey game on Aug 23, 2018 17:57:04 GMT
Hey KP I wanted to believe: my Uncle Steve H kept telling me not to disbelieve. But dangerous talk within a Directors Box has convinced me. I was texted on Sat evening with the info and the source is the most reliable I would believe. No axe to grind: just info. I spent last night reading about Foundation of Hearts, their 3 mill funding of their new Main Stand and the anticipated return of 3 million a year from 15 million capital outlay to build a 8,000 capacity stand. Too much BS from Wael. I like his demeanour, half believe that he wants to stay but have Kelvin zero confidence that DS will build / redevelop a new Stadium. You have seen the light. There have been some developments but I can’t and won’t say anything just yet, not until I have verified the information. interesting stuff!
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Post by a more piratey game on Aug 23, 2018 17:57:45 GMT
have you got a view on why Wael requested his interview with 20p kP?
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Post by fatherjackhackett on Aug 23, 2018 17:58:23 GMT
Hey KP I wanted to believe: my Uncle Steve H kept telling me not to disbelieve. But dangerous talk within a Directors Box has convinced me. I was texted on Sat evening with the info and the source is the most reliable I would believe. No axe to grind: just info. I spent last night reading about Foundation of Hearts, their 3 mill funding of their new Main Stand and the anticipated return of 3 million a year from 15 million capital outlay to build a 8,000 capacity stand. Too much BS from Wael. I like his demeanour, half believe that he wants to stay but have Kelvin zero confidence that DS will build / redevelop a new Stadium. You have seen the light. There have been some developments but I can’t and won’t say anything just yet, not until I have verified the information. You see, as some think, I am not anti family. I just am inquisitive and always ask questions. If this leads to me being unpopular then so be it, I’m old enough and ugly enough to cope. I am pro Bristol Rovers and all my aim is, is to ask the club to substantiate the talk. I habe yet to hear one grain of truth from something they have said about training facilities and stadium. If it were the most popular people in the world, I would still be asking the same questions. My problem now is that I think any integrity that was banked, has been spunked away on avoidance and BS. I’m sorry of this offends some but I see stagnation and a manager who is so frustrated that even he has taken to interviews to vent his frustrations. I am happy to share my sources but via email and if you send me a PM then I can send you my email details. The latest stuff, ismxomomg from the red side. If true then we could all be in for a shock but it’s not SL buying us so don’t get too upset I don’t want a DM. Either go public or it’s fake news. I have been reliably informed that WAQ has started send out ‘cease and desist’ letters to those people who claim to be ITK on other sites so I would say that if it ain’t 100% factually correct and you are happy to defend your sources in court, it’s time to keep shtum.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 23, 2018 18:01:20 GMT
have you got a view on why Wael requested his interview with 20p kP? None at all. sorry AMPG. It’s the first I’ve heard of any new interview but I’ve been staying away from social media and here for awhile. Long story. I will PM you
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Post by vaughan on Aug 23, 2018 18:03:32 GMT
I am more than happy to reveal the source of my ITK from last Saturday.
Bring it on!
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Post by fatherjackhackett on Aug 23, 2018 18:07:49 GMT
I am more than happy to reveal the source of my ITK from last Saturday. Bring it on! Go for it!!! As before, on here and not privately.
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Post by laughinggas on Aug 23, 2018 18:18:25 GMT
On Tom G interview he stated that profits from food and drink go to DC playing budget. As this is the only statement I have heard I believe him unless you can post something factual that means he lied. Please add link to the Tom G interview where this was said. Thanks in advance. Was on another thread gas-cast.co.uk/blog/pod...n-interview-with-tom-gorringe/
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Post by vaughan on Aug 23, 2018 18:31:07 GMT
So Father, who is your source for the "cease and desist letters"? 😂
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2018 19:42:43 GMT
So Father, who is your source for the "cease and desist letters"? 😂 I have also been told that a "Cease and Desist" warning has been issued. Not one to speculate on these matters, having been the recipient of a "letter from the board" in the distant past, I believe it to be true
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 23, 2018 19:55:02 GMT
so to summarise, wael is FULLY commited to rovers, unfortunately he doesnt hold the purse strings
can we at least stop sh itty insults to wael ?
Personally, I’ve not seen any direct 5h1tty insults aimed at him. Care to say who has please ?
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 23, 2018 19:58:57 GMT
I don't want to be an ITK, but based on a reliable source, the new Stadium is not going to happen, as they can not secure funding from any source. They are just prepared to sit on the asset in the hope that someone will come forward. DS will not provide the funds. I really trust the source as he was in long conversations at today's game who is definitely ITK. At least I know what the issue is, but this has been suspected for such a long time. Emperor's new clothes. This has been pretty obvious for some time, even those still in denial know deep down they are kidding themselves. Begs the question that when Wael said funding was no issue and it would be funded through "investments" - was he knowingly trying to mislead or does he just live in a dreamworld? I could pick out numerous other examples. The other question is that when he says the training ground will "definitely happen" is he also misleading us? It appears that there isn't enough funding to build anything halfway suitable. I feel slightly sorry for him but if this is the new reality then he needs to stop this charade right now and come clean because it's getting embarrassing for him. If he went on 20man and gave a brutally honest summary of exactly where we are and how we got to this point and confirmed that he was actively looking for outside investment I would have a whole lot more respect for him than continuing with the nonsense of the past 2 years. I feel there could still be a way back. Begs more questions about the UWE which I have asked before. - Did DS simply not have the funds? - Did DS have the funds didn't didn't have the appitite for the risk? - Was the UWE really not in the long term interests of BRFC or did it just not provide a level of return in the short to medium term the DS required? - Was that level of return remotely realistic? - Have we just missed out on the greatest opportunity any of us are likely to see? None of the above has been satisfactorily answered and in amongst the truths, half truths and, frankly, flat out untruths, I'm not sure how anyone can have any confidence in anything that has been said or is said in the future. A complete and utter farce. Not wanting to be a pedant but I believe, if I remember correctly, that it was NH who introduced the new owners and added that now there would be no need for the Sainsbury’s money, to build the stadium. I don’t ever remember Wael saying he or they would build one but that we needed one. Maybe I’m wrong but I think they were very careful right from the start.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 23, 2018 20:15:39 GMT
Where to begin with deconstructing this? Because, if true, it is just about the biggest slap in the face there could be. Can't secure funding: so let me get this straight, a middle eastern banking family cannot secure some 30 odd million for a stadium project. Are they on every creditor's blacklist in their local area or what? Or are they just not the credible business people that we have been lead to believe that they are by those on the other forum? Mind you, it probably doesn't help when the creditors ask how much the family themselves are putting in only to be told £0.00. I can't get over it. Leading on from that, no funding yet still no intention to sell. Are we finally at the point where we can deduce that Wael is still here because he enjoys his gig as football league chairman? He doesn't have the ability to move us forward but he won't let go either. Mind you he could put us up for sale if he wants now there would be no buyers because we have been saddled with so much extra debt since they took over that it is out of the reach of all but the super-rich and the super-insane. Or an astute and very wealthy man who knows football but wants all of the 92% and not 68%. Once I get confirmation I will open up but, right now, it’s just not the right time as it could be BS, much often is but this has been getting louder and people at games are even talking about it. There are 2 different things that *could* be happening but I have to bide my time before I can say if I can back either of these up with evidence. If either is true then I can fully understand why there is non disclosure. As I understand it and allegedly, Mr W wants to keep 25% and if so then the former of the two deals in a non starter. God, how I wish I didn’t have to talk in riddles but I don’t want what badbloodash got. I wish the owners would just either confirm or deny as it would shut people like me up. I was genuinely shocked at how many non forum or Facebook users were discussing the possible moves. I’ve not known it like this before.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 23, 2018 20:28:36 GMT
If this is true, I have no reason to doubt either way, then perhaps there should be a concerted effort to put pressure on Wael and DS at games and outside? The club can not afford to be in stasis, which looks like is going to be the case (other than some trimmings to try and placate - pool the wool over the eyes of - the masses). Good luck with that Indeed Peter Parker. I did get involved with black & gold but, sadly, most will talk and criticise but when it comes down to the probability of being open for others to identify, we have very few who will actually DO anything. I felt very sorry for the welly 3 as their idea had substance. Sadly, apathy is the new opium of the masses. People actually believe they have acted, by posting on social media. I sometimes feel depressed by it all. I used to feel I was amongst extended family at Rovers but I’ve not felt that in a long time and the actual truth is that I go not for football but to see friends I would not otherwise see, they are only allowed out on their own for games 🤫
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Post by a more piratey game on Aug 23, 2018 20:41:13 GMT
So Father, who is your source for the "cease and desist letters"? 😂 I have also been told that a "Cease and Desist" warning has been issued. Not one to speculate on these matters, having been the recipient of a "letter from the board" in the distant past, I believe it to be true that's a bit saucy on what grounds - that it is gossip, that it is contrary to the best interests of BRFC, other? plus ca change, it seems...
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