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Post by Angas on Jul 18, 2018 21:57:15 GMT
Or maybe:
... and then look to increase funding to keep us there.
Similar to how they wouldn't have bought us if we hadn't got promoted from the conference. Just a thought. Of course, first off DC has to get us there ...
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Post by a more piratey game on Jul 18, 2018 22:32:11 GMT
I don't think they have unlimited funds. As such it stands to reason that they will stop funding the cash burn at some point. Now, I don't know this, obviously, but it appears to me that they are looking to DC to get us in the championship in the current ground, sweat that asset as much as possible at that level and then look to sell. That makes sense to me, if they achieve that aim then you can see the attraction of Bristol, economically, with a club with a solid support base, one division below the riches of the Premier League. An in on the cheap. To some insane up his or her own ass far eastern investor with liquidity or assets coming out of their ears. It will be the end of The Gas as we know it, but hey, we die and the kids won't give a f. More than one person has suggested to me that they think what may be happening with the training ground and the staff structure, coupled with the talk of the potential to develop the existing site, is that they are trying to put together a 'DIY Championship club' for an investor to come along and snap up. Probably just pub talk though. Like buying a kit car...... here's your training ground planning permission here's your stadium planning permission here's your team here's your staff here's your crowd crack on.... a bit like NH did to them....
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Post by droitwichgas on Jul 19, 2018 20:34:49 GMT
Or maybe: ... and then look to increase funding to keep us there. Similar to how they wouldn't have bought us if we hadn't got promoted from the conference. Just a thought. Of course, first off DC has to get us there ... Then why not just increase funding this season to try and make certain we get there, as unless DC brings in a decent forward before the season starts it looks like DC's been given a v. similar budget to last season. Unless Upson is brilliant signing and Reilly finds his scoring boots fast you do have to wonder if we've really improved on last season's mid table finishing squad.
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Post by Angas on Jul 19, 2018 21:06:07 GMT
Or maybe: ... and then look to increase funding to keep us there. Similar to how they wouldn't have bought us if we hadn't got promoted from the conference. Just a thought. Of course, first off DC has to get us there ... Then why not just increase funding this season to try and make certain we get there, as unless DC brings in a decent forward before the season starts it looks like DC's been given a v. similar budget to last season. Unless Upson is brilliant signing and Reilly finds his scoring boots fast you do have to wonder if we've really improved on last season's mid table finishing squad. No idea to be honest, it was just an alternative thought based on the premise that perhaps they aren't into speculating with no guarantee of accumulating.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Jul 20, 2018 8:16:32 GMT
When Wael said he was "in it for the long run" - I guess it rather depends on what your definition of "long run" actually is. And he can't say anything other than this anyway. Whatever. As they come from a banking background this is how Bankers see time ~ Short term ~ up to 1 year Medium Term ~ 2 - 5 years Long Term ~ greater than 5 years..... They won't want to lose money so if it is true (and of course it is speculation or supposition at the moment with few or no facts just those 'in the know') it is how they package it for sale. The idea of getting to the Championship on the cheap and then selling off would work for some or even getting to and losing the playoffs, making money on the way and sell as a team with potential for getting up. On the other hand they could be investing for the future, sweating the existing assets, building the team and staff, working on finding an alternative site, then selling off the Mem and having a club that is fit for purpose and the future. No one knows except them.....
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Post by chelt_gas on Jul 20, 2018 8:33:38 GMT
When Wael said he was "in it for the long run" - I guess it rather depends on what your definition of "long run" actually is. And he can't say anything other than this anyway. Whatever. As they come from a banking background this is how Bankers see time ~ Short term ~ up to 1 year Medium Term ~ 2 - 5 years Long Term ~ greater than 5 years..... They won't want to lose money so if it is true (and of course it is speculation or supposition at the moment with few or no facts just those 'in the know') it is how they package it for sale. The idea of getting to the Championship on the cheap and then selling off would work for some or even getting to and losing the playoffs, making money on the way and sell as a team with potential for getting up. On the other hand they could be investing for the future, sweating the existing assets, building the team and staff, working on finding an alternative site, then selling off the Mem and having a club that is fit for purpose and the future. No one knows except them..... If Wael had the chance to buy Rovers today given no change in his financial status do you think he would? Even if we got to the premier league we'd either be a Blackpool and spend nothing to keep the maximum one-season profit or spend a little to hopefully ride our luck a la Burnley. But there isn't really an investment banker logic to buying a lower league English football club where there glass ceiling requires hundreds of millions with which to break.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Jul 20, 2018 12:27:27 GMT
I think the potential uplift for Wael & Co disappeared when they picked up the UWE contract and then rejected the proposals. As a banker logic dictates that you would not underwrite a football deal if you looked at it logically unless it had extenuating circumstances. Debt to asset values are usually horrendous, profitability non existent, cashflows are erratic, personnel subject to injury and breaking contracts, management short term.... Yet people still buy football clubs.
Rovers has a lot going for it. Target market, branding (Pirate / Gas images) not fully exploited, etc however asset base minimal (debt vs assets), cashflows dependent on success, low quality off field offering (being adjusted)....
Bottom line is that Wael if he had any sense and working on bankers rationale would not buy Rovers now nor would the family let him. But as a football fan I think his heart is in the right place and I do not believe he would do anything that damaged the club although I am sure family pressure is on to get money back....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 14:16:07 GMT
That's all I can manage. 1. They must have known Sainsbury's was a dead horse already. 2. But UWE seemed a better land and architecture deal than it was. 3. Wael really wanted to own his own football club. Two out of three IS bad, Meatloaf.
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Post by Colyton Gas. on Jul 20, 2018 14:40:56 GMT
After all this,original question still remains unanswered.Where exactly are we training this season?
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Post by laughinggas on Jul 20, 2018 16:08:00 GMT
After all this,original question still remains unanswered.Where exactly are we training this season? Thought someone did earlier. The photo so far have been at Cribbs
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Post by droitwichgas on Jul 20, 2018 17:40:25 GMT
That's all I can manage. 1. They must have known Sainsbury's was a dead horse already. 2. But UWE seemed a better land and architecture deal than it was. 3. Wael really wanted to own his own football club. Two out of three IS bad, Meatloaf. I guess it's back again to why the UWE deal collapsed, did the UWE get too greedy or did Hani get cold feet/could raise the finance when it came to the crunch? Meaning Wael had to revert to Plan B to try and now get as much money out of the asset they bought at the lowest cost by tarting it up before selling it on, as there now seems no long term plans.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jul 22, 2018 17:13:28 GMT
More than one person has suggested to me that they think what may be happening with the training ground and the staff structure, coupled with the talk of the potential to develop the existing site, is that they are trying to put together a 'DIY Championship club' for an investor to come along and snap up. Probably just pub talk though. Like buying a kit car...... here's your training ground planning permission here's your stadium planning permission here's your team here's your staff here's your crowd crack on.... a bit like NH did to them.... Fantastic my friend. Gave me a good belly laugh
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2018 17:40:27 GMT
If the Colony was going ahead anytime soon then Hamer and Wael would be milking the publicity and giving interviews to anyone who would listen. One thing I've learnt since current owners is that no news usually means bad news. I'm fed up with their approach to communication to be honest and fed up with having to second guess what their plans and intentions might be.
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Post by rossinio on Jul 22, 2018 18:05:41 GMT
You dont ‘have’ to second guess anything. You could just realise that there is more to life than worrying about Bristol Rovers’ training fascilities. At the end of the day whatever the owners decide to do and how they pay for it is their business. You support the team and pay for the right to cheer or boo them as you see fit. Thats it. Many fans think that as it’s our money going into the coffers on a saturday it gives us some sort of ownership of the club. It does not. Maybe the owners’ communication is not as clear or regular as people would like but that is their call and it does not have to mean sinister plottings are afoot. I imagine they have learned from their and the previous regime’s mistake and realise that showtimg about anything before it is 100% certain is a massive mistake.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2018 18:12:30 GMT
as it’s our money going into the coffers on a saturday it gives us some sort of ownership of the club. Great stuff.
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Post by Igitur on Jul 22, 2018 18:53:15 GMT
Many fans think that as it’s our money going into the coffers on a saturday it gives us some sort of ownership of the club. It does not. Perhaps those people could help out with any debt.
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Post by a more piratey game on Jul 23, 2018 16:44:51 GMT
Was anything said about the Colony at the Open Day - surely people were asking?
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Post by fanatical on Sept 17, 2018 16:13:28 GMT
knowall has been living up to his name at the other place by posting the following.... isn't it strange that with so many educated people who grace this forum - nobody seems to have worked out why there is silence re the Colony? It is as plain as could be - it is in your face - all the hints have been on this forum - but nobody appears to have twigged? - but WHEN it becomes public it will be as obvious as could possibly be. BUT folks, you will have to wait around six months before you might know.....................................so have a beer or two - there is plenty of time! Yes, I saw that - he/she is purely guessing. He/she isn't a 'knowall', otherwise (if it's true) they would have done the decent thing and kept their gob shut. It's something that has crossed my mind, with the thought being whether The Mem could become the training ground. It could be possible, you could fit a stadium into The Colony site, but the infrastructure around the site would need huge work. At the moment it's just a lane in and out. Hortham Lane would need upgrading to the A38 Gloucester Road, and maybe in the other direction too. The Colony is right next to the motorway, and you'd think would need a new M5 junction - that's possible, but you would probably need to purchase extra land to do so for a M5 north slip-road. The problem the other side, creating a M5 south slip-road, is you're then on The Woodlands Golf Course. And The Mem being a training ground probably wouldn't work, as you could only squidge 2 pitches there. I have challenged knowall on this and you are way off the mark - he is not hinting that the Colony could be a stadium - far from it as there would be no chance of planning. You will have to look for an alternative meaning - but as he says all this guessing - but everybody has to wait - and apparently there are real issues why it has to be kept under wraps.
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Post by The Concept on Sept 18, 2018 19:39:50 GMT
Yes, I saw that - he/she is purely guessing. He/she isn't a 'knowall', otherwise (if it's true) they would have done the decent thing and kept their gob shut. It's something that has crossed my mind, with the thought being whether The Mem could become the training ground. It could be possible, you could fit a stadium into The Colony site, but the infrastructure around the site would need huge work. At the moment it's just a lane in and out. Hortham Lane would need upgrading to the A38 Gloucester Road, and maybe in the other direction too. The Colony is right next to the motorway, and you'd think would need a new M5 junction - that's possible, but you would probably need to purchase extra land to do so for a M5 north slip-road. The problem the other side, creating a M5 south slip-road, is you're then on The Woodlands Golf Course. And The Mem being a training ground probably wouldn't work, as you could only squidge 2 pitches there. I have challenged knowall on this and you are way off the mark - he is not hinting that the Colony could be a stadium - far from it as there would be no chance of planning. You will have to look for an alternative meaning - but as he says all this guessing - but everybody has to wait - and apparently there are real issues why it has to be kept under wraps. Hmmm, well that's the way it came across. I've said before that the problem with the idea of a stadium at The Colony is to do with access - just a narrow country lane, Hortham Lane, off the A38. Now if you used part of the large area of land just north, just the other side of Hortham Lane, that Ed Ware Housing has plans for a housing estate, you could gain better access from the A38, and the possibility of a link to the M5. But I doubt that would happen.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 19:46:18 GMT
I have challenged knowall on this and you are way off the mark - he is not hinting that the Colony could be a stadium - far from it as there would be no chance of planning. You will have to look for an alternative meaning - but as he says all this guessing - but everybody has to wait - and apparently there are real issues why it has to be kept under wraps. Hmmm, well that's the way it came across. I've said before that the problem with the idea of a stadium at The Colony is to do with access - just a narrow country lane, Hortham Lane, off the A38. Now if you used part of the large area of land just north, just the other side of Hortham Lane, that Ed Ware Housing has plans for a housing estate, you could gain better access from the A38, and the possibility of a link to the M5. But I doubt that would happen. The site discussed on here regarding Ed Ware has not been submitted to the government for consideration.
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