Rex
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Post by Rex on Feb 15, 2018 23:04:20 GMT
Yes. He gave the decision he thought was correct. That's called being an apologist. It's called an opinion.
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Post by bloogas on Feb 16, 2018 10:05:58 GMT
From reading the programme it seems Chris Sarginson was our ref at Charlton on opening day of the season when we lost 1-0 to a disputed goal that may have not crossed the line. Having been sat within a few metres on that day I was sure it hadn’t crossed. If we get him again perhaps it may be third time lucky! UTG! It definitely didn't cross the line. This was shown on their big screen just afterwards. Their manager also confirmed it on the radio shortly after the match. Do referees cheat? I've no idea. Perhaps one reading this post might explain it to us. Or if anybody knows a ref. If it's incompetence, it's something the rest of us would be sacked for.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Feb 16, 2018 10:32:41 GMT
I think it's wrong to call someone a cheat if you can't clearly prove motivation.
If the ref had a crafty few quid on an away win, then fair enough.
The best (or worst) you can say is, he and his officials are/were incompetent. Again.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 10:32:41 GMT
From reading the programme it seems Chris Sarginson was our ref at Charlton on opening day of the season when we lost 1-0 to a disputed goal that may have not crossed the line. Having been sat within a few metres on that day I was sure it hadn’t crossed. If we get him again perhaps it may be third time lucky! UTG! It definitely didn't cross the line. This was shown on their big screen just afterwards. Their manager also confirmed it on the radio shortly after the match. Do referees cheat? I've no idea. Perhaps one reading this post might explain it to us. Or if anybody knows a ref. If it's incompetence, it's something the rest of us would be sacked for. Well, if there's any honesty within the authorities he'll be removed from the referee's lists by now as if he's not a cheat he's hopelessly incompetent, and neither would be acceptable, would they. But it's not incompetence as his assistant, who also had a perfect view, tried to make him give the correct decision, but he was having none of it.
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Post by Igitur on Feb 16, 2018 10:46:51 GMT
From reading the programme it seems Chris Sarginson was our ref at Charlton on opening day of the season when we lost 1-0 to a disputed goal that may have not crossed the line. Having been sat within a few metres on that day I was sure it hadn’t crossed. If we get him again perhaps it may be third time lucky! UTG! It definitely didn't cross the line. This was shown on their big screen just afterwards. Their manager also confirmed it on the radio shortly after the match. Do referees cheat? I've no idea. Perhaps one reading this post might explain it to us. Or if anybody knows a ref. If it's incompetence, it's something the rest of us would be sacked for. I've always wondered what effect chants from the crowd have on refs, it may make him (or her) less inclined to give decisions, I don't know. I also have a theory that some refs do not like either the club or certain players ; some games leave you with the impression that some are even racist. You do often see in a game where a ref messes up and then evens things up very soon after.
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Post by GasMacc1 on Feb 16, 2018 10:47:30 GMT
From reading the programme it seems Chris Sarginson was our ref at Charlton on opening day of the season when we lost 1-0 to a disputed goal that may have not crossed the line. Having been sat within a few metres on that day I was sure it hadn’t crossed. If we get him again perhaps it may be third time lucky! UTG! It definitely didn't cross the line. This was shown on their big screen just afterwards. Their manager also confirmed it on the radio shortly after the match. Do referees cheat? I've no idea. Perhaps one reading this post might explain it to us. Or if anybody knows a ref. If it's incompetence, it's something the rest of us would be sacked for. He also sent off Charlton's Novak in the first few minutes of the game for a reckless challenge on Stuart Sinclair. (Possibly a yellow card, but technically he might have called that one right). Then spent the rest of the match judging every single decision in Charlton's favour (in a perverse attempt to balance out the early "harsh" decision?). Sarginson also "took charge" of our game at Sheffield United in September 2016. He sent off Jermaine Easter (no real complaints), but then ruled against us in two late goal-line decisions (handball and foul on Ellis) which could and should have given us an equaliser.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 11:48:17 GMT
It definitely didn't cross the line. This was shown on their big screen just afterwards. Their manager also confirmed it on the radio shortly after the match. Do referees cheat? I've no idea. Perhaps one reading this post might explain it to us. Or if anybody knows a ref. If it's incompetence, it's something the rest of us would be sacked for. He also sent off Charlton's Novak in the first few minutes of the game for a reckless challenge on Stuart Sinclair. (Possibly a yellow card, but technically he might have called that one right). Then spent the rest of the match judging every single decision in Charlton's favour (in a perverse attempt to balance out the early "harsh" decision?). Sarginson also "took charge" of our game at Sheffield United in September 2016. He sent off Jermaine Easter (no real complaints), but then ruled against us in two late goal-line decisions (handball and foul on Ellis) which could and should have given us an equaliser. Looks like he's lost control of a couple of games as well, 2 matches both with 3 red cards. But none of this stuff should surprise us, until the entire employment package is attractive and people at FA HQ stop saying odd things like 'talking points are good for the game' we'll keep having to put up with fat blokes waddling around and refs like Gavin Ward ruining games every weekend.
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Post by faggotygas on Feb 16, 2018 13:49:41 GMT
Doesn't show it in this picture but he had a direct line of sight of this. Luckily it all worked out for us but it's piss poor decisions like this that can cost games or even a season! That picture shows a clear foul by Sinclair. The striker is backing in to Sinclair. You are allowed to hold your ground.
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 16, 2018 15:38:39 GMT
You would have to ask him that. It makes no sense to me. Why would a well placed referee, looking straight at a ball that's controlled with a hand and then kicked straight into the goal with the next movement, fail to award handball and then overrule an assistant who flagged for the offence. Any ideas? Either way, as he's got the Checkatrade final you can be sure that the assessor's report will say that he did a great job. And that’s part of the problem isn’t it? Managers come out and say lots of things after a match, players do the same, us fans ditto. But referees say nothing, not sure its their fault as I don’t think they are allowed to comment on decisions given. I’ve always thought that were a referee allowed to comment then we would know and it would overcome the silence we currently have. Of course the flip side is referees could also say things that the authorities don’t like and perhaps the clubs don’t like. In other words there would be a cost. I don’t think it was blatant cheating because I think the referee would have said it was ball to hand and so accidental. I’m not saying he is right just what I think he would say. But we will never know because they do not talk to anyone following a match. I think it was handball because the ball travelled a long way to his hand, it wasn’t a quick change of direction on the balls part. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 17:06:50 GMT
That picture shows a clear foul by Sinclair. The striker is backing in to Sinclair. You are allowed to hold your ground. Neither player is moving, it's impossible to tell. It shows a foul by Sinclair at least as clearly as it shows a handball by Henderson.
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Post by Wickwar Gas on Feb 16, 2018 17:08:32 GMT
In fairness the standard of reffing is extremely poor in league 1. I say that as a former referee (Conference standard).
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Post by laughinggas on Feb 16, 2018 19:28:20 GMT
So the raised elbow by Gaffney in first half should have ended how? Yes and the one on Parts in second half?
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Post by bloogas on Feb 17, 2018 8:57:22 GMT
In fairness the standard of reffing is extremely poor in league 1. I say that as a former referee (Conference standard). [br) Have you any idea why? I can understand some things not being seen & some things not being as the crowd thinks. But how can so many blatant things be missed?
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Post by matealotblue on Feb 17, 2018 9:24:04 GMT
In fairness the standard of reffing is extremely poor in league 1. I say that as a former referee (Conference standard). [br) Have you any idea why? I can understand some things not being seen & some things not being as the crowd thinks. But how can so many blatant things be missed? For me I think part of the problem is that there does not (publicly at least) seem to be any accountability for any poor performances. That way at least fans/managers etc could see some specific action to right any perceived "wrongs". Keep being bad and you keep on reffing, so it seems to me. Not sure what they do behind closed doors with their assessment forms etc. but it doesn't seem to raise the standards.
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Post by Rex on Feb 17, 2018 9:44:14 GMT
[br) Have you any idea why? I can understand some things not being seen & some things not being as the crowd thinks. But how can so many blatant things be missed? For me I think part of the problem is that there does not (publicly at least) seem to be any accountability for any poor performances. That way at least fans/managers etc could see some specific action to right any perceived "wrongs". Keep being bad and you keep on reffing, so it seems to me. Not sure what they do behind closed doors with their assessment forms etc. but it doesn't seem to raise the standards. I know I make the same point over & over, but if players stopped cheating and the referees were allowed to get on with the game without a suffering a barrage of abuse after every decision, then I honestly believe we would see an improvement. Every now & then you will hear an odd moan about a decision in rugby, the disallowed 'try' last week by Wales for example, but even then there isn't a huge fuss. Last night Rob Webber of Sale was very harshly binned yet he took the decision with a nod of the head and a hand shake with his opponent. I think for many 'poor' refereeing is part of the football spectacle. Let's be honest, when a vital decision goes against your team it seems to galvanise the crowd and adds to the atmosphere, but if you start asking for refs to be held accountable for the odd poor decision then you will soon run out of refs! Despite suggestions that poor decisions in 'normal' working life would see you out of a job, you would have to go some to get sacked from your job for not getting everything right on every occasion. I will stroll over to my local club tomorrow and watch some kids football, I can absolutely 100% guarantee, that during the course of any of the games I watch tomorrow, someone will shout out some bollocks to the referee - who will be a 14 or 15 year old kid, or the linesman- who will be one of the few parents brave enough to stick up their hand when volunteers are asked for. It really makes me cringe.
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Post by dido on Feb 17, 2018 10:26:10 GMT
Bravo, Rex!
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Post by faggotygas on Feb 19, 2018 11:07:09 GMT
The striker is backing in to Sinclair. You are allowed to hold your ground. Neither player is moving, it's impossible to tell. It shows a foul by Sinclair at least as clearly as it shows a handball by Henderson. So if it's impossible to tell, how can you say that it's a foul by Sinclair?
The still shows Henderson to have an outstretched hand, with the ball very nearly touching it.
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