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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2017 20:53:55 GMT
Effectively we don't have a Supporters Club. No-one I know who goes regularly is a member. It's one of the things I would have liked the new owners to address. They haven't. But what could or should they gave done? It's a tricky one. The SC is a separate organisation - and one that has already been stand-offish borderline hostile. It's not likely to accept 'interference' (ironically, given it's supine track record) or even encouragement to adapt. Should they set up a separate organisation and remove all privileges / merchandising options from the existing one? Given the fuss, resistance, and irritating white noise from the old guard when they change the head flunky in hospitality or stage a pie tasting, I'm not surprised they just leave it to continue to atrophy until it triggers its own collapse and replacement.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2017 21:28:53 GMT
...just leave it to continue to atrophy until it triggers its own collapse and replacement. Kind of what most of us are all doing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2017 21:35:52 GMT
Effectively we don't have a Supporters Club. No-one I know who goes regularly is a member. It's one of the things I would have liked the new owners to address. They haven't. But what could or should they gave done? It's a tricky one. The SC is a separate organisation - and one that has already been stand-offish borderline hostile. It's not likely to accept 'interference' (ironically, given it's supine track record) or even encouragement to adapt. Should they set up a separate organisation and remove all privileges / merchandising options from the existing one? Given the fuss, resistance, and irritating white noise from the old guard when they change the head flunky in hospitality or stage a pie tasting, I'm not surprised they just leave it to continue to atrophy until it triggers its own collapse and replacement. Here's a perfect example, if one's needed, of just how hopeless they are. A simple thing, but guaranteed to cause frustration to the customer stood in front of you, caught my attention as the only possible justification I can think of for keeping 199 open is customer convenience. You may or may not be aware, season ticket holders can exchange a voucher from their season ticket book for a free match ticket, great idea eh? Bear with me here, you can buy a season ticket at 199, you can buy a match ticket at 199, but you can't exchange your voucher for the free ticket there for some reason, you need to go to the stadium to do that. Why? Who organises this stuff? It's just thinking of a problem and then finding a place to put it.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Oct 7, 2017 1:22:58 GMT
as comedian Groucho Marx once famously said some keyboard warriors "would not join a Club that would have them as a member".
I rest my case. Join and change the situation,you know really want to. Couldn't be further from my reasons for not joining, it's not exactly a topic that fills my waking hours, but off the top of my head, there are probably more, but here they are; It would be a waste of money I don't see the point of the organisation in its present incarnation. I fundamentally disagree with the way Jim conducts himself, he should have resigned after his histrionics following the Dagenham game. The Share Scheme has been allowed to fall into disrepute, 2 people have gained the benefits of executive positions whilst, as far as I'm aware, doing very little of any merit to justify holding those positions, the SC have allowed this to continue. What I mean by this is, what have either Masters or Seymour Smith done that they couldn't have without holding those positions? Maybe there's something I'm not aware of, but the question I guess would be, is it enough for a combined total of something well over 10 years on the board of Directors of the FC? The property, which did not belong to the executive committee members, was sold, as far as I am aware, without consulting the membership, that's nothing short of disgraceful. A huge amount of money was stolen, over 18 months it seems, and it took an external audit to recognise what was happening. Jim's response, nobody within the organisation has been blamed, but as he does, he's lashed out, this time at the bank. The retail outlet seems to be losing money, but as far as I'm aware, they change nothing, they just sit there singing the same old song about not being able to do anything, when the team performs sales are good is all they seem to say. Have they done any marketing, of any type whatsoever in recent years? No Harry, you join that club, clap your hands and sing its praises, buy your coach tickets, but it doesn't hold much appeal to me, sorry. I wouldn't trust them to organise a stall at a car boot sale. i get the impression that you don't like the way the SC is organised then Bamber, much like your thoughts on how the club is organised as well Don't you think forums are a great way to have a electronic soap box to stand on ? Have a good day
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Post by harrybuckle on Oct 7, 2017 6:58:17 GMT
Effectively we don't have a Supporters Club. No-one I know who goes regularly is a member. It's one of the things I would have liked the new owners to address. They haven't. Rovers have an average crowd of 8,500 and BRSC has about 1500 members.
The organisation has been around since 1914 and in the 1950s had 10,000 members when gates were 25,000.
The new owners cannot address them because the committee and members are independent of BRFC. The BRSC have provided substantial funds for BRFC over the past century and continue to do so.
Easy to have a go at them behind a keyboard.
Why don't the re moaners join and make change happen ?
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Post by Peter Parker on Oct 7, 2017 7:42:10 GMT
Effectively we don't have a Supporters Club. No-one I know who goes regularly is a member. It's one of the things I would have liked the new owners to address. They haven't. Rovers have an average crowd of 8,500 and BRSC has about 1500 members.
The organisation has been around since 1914 and in the 1950s had 10,000 members when gates were 25,000.
The new owners cannot address them because the committee and members are independent of BRFC. The BRSC have provided substantial funds for BRFC over the past century and continue to do so.
Easy to have a go at them behind a keyboard.
Why don't the re moaners join and make change happen ?
It might have 1500 members but how many actually care about the workings of BRSC and how many simply have it for ticket priority.
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Post by eppinggas on Oct 7, 2017 8:44:54 GMT
I would guess 1500 'members' of which around 1450 use it for ticket priority. I was actually going to join it for that sole reason a couple of years ago - but I was told I was "too late" and that I would not be allowed to join. Welcome to BRSC! A business that turns away customers. Brilliant.
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Post by vaughan on Oct 7, 2017 8:46:15 GMT
We can look back and smile at the BRSC. The combination of defensiveness and conservatism has been apparent for decades. I laughed (sorry) when they were diddled by one of their own. However there is a gap for a supporters organisation to be set up by the club for commercial reasons. We have a new Commercial Director and some new blood in the fan-base who can shape this.
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Post by harrybuckle on Oct 7, 2017 8:51:33 GMT
I would guess 1500 'members' of which around 1450 use it for ticket priority. I was actually going to join it for that sole reason a couple of years ago - but I was told I was "too late" and that I would not be allowed to join. Welcome to BRSC! A business that turns away customers. Brilliant. You could say the same about the members of the labour party ..how many actually like Corbyn ?
Indeed Priority Match Tickets for all ticket games,50/50 great chance to win £1200 for a £1, coach travel to away games, replica kit a BRSC bar at the Mem, opportunity to questions owners/staff at a fans forum ....whats not to like !
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Post by fatherjackhackett on Oct 7, 2017 8:56:49 GMT
Effectively we don't have a Supporters Club. No-one I know who goes regularly is a member. It's one of the things I would have liked the new owners to address. They haven't. Rovers have an average crowd of 8,500 and BRSC has about 1500 members.
The organisation has been around since 1914 and in the 1950s had 10,000 members when gates were 25,000.
The new owners cannot address them because the committee and members are independent of BRFC. The BRSC have provided substantial funds for BRFC over the past century and continue to do so.
Easy to have a go at them behind a keyboard.
Why don't the re moaners join and make change happen ?
As an organisation that are ‘independent of BRFC’ where were the Supporters Club when Dunford Jr & Higgs were leading the club to oblivion? Oh yeah, supporting them every step of the way.
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Post by Igitur on Oct 7, 2017 9:09:20 GMT
It's strange with such a large body of faithful and noisy supporters constantly praised by DC and the board, that we do not have a much better SC or even a trust-like organisation. That the supporters are largely benign and apathetic is well known, but with such passion why is there not a superior SC?
People have tried and got their fingers burnt in the past at BRFC board and SC Exec committee levels, and now, despite being talented and with a following, keep away. BRISA, the Welly meetings and talks of establishing a trust at the Sportsman all withered.
One observation I would make is that there appears to be no appetite for succession in the SC and should uncle Jim throw his toys out again and pack in, let’s face it the recent shenanigans would have tried many of us, the club may well become even more insignificant.
(I’m an exile by the way, but I did attend all the Welly and Sportsman meetings.)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2017 9:21:21 GMT
Couldn't be further from my reasons for not joining, it's not exactly a topic that fills my waking hours, but off the top of my head, there are probably more, but here they are; It would be a waste of money I don't see the point of the organisation in its present incarnation. I fundamentally disagree with the way Jim conducts himself, he should have resigned after his histrionics following the Dagenham game. The Share Scheme has been allowed to fall into disrepute, 2 people have gained the benefits of executive positions whilst, as far as I'm aware, doing very little of any merit to justify holding those positions, the SC have allowed this to continue. What I mean by this is, what have either Masters or Seymour Smith done that they couldn't have without holding those positions? Maybe there's something I'm not aware of, but the question I guess would be, is it enough for a combined total of something well over 10 years on the board of Directors of the FC? The property, which did not belong to the executive committee members, was sold, as far as I am aware, without consulting the membership, that's nothing short of disgraceful. A huge amount of money was stolen, over 18 months it seems, and it took an external audit to recognise what was happening. Jim's response, nobody within the organisation has been blamed, but as he does, he's lashed out, this time at the bank. The retail outlet seems to be losing money, but as far as I'm aware, they change nothing, they just sit there singing the same old song about not being able to do anything, when the team performs sales are good is all they seem to say. Have they done any marketing, of any type whatsoever in recent years? No Harry, you join that club, clap your hands and sing its praises, buy your coach tickets, but it doesn't hold much appeal to me, sorry. I wouldn't trust them to organise a stall at a car boot sale. i get the impression that you don't like the way the SC is organised then Bamber, much like your thoughts on how the club is organised as well Don't you think forums are a great way to have a electronic soap box to stand on ? Have a good day Thing is Henbury, Harry does like the SC, he thinks we should pay money to join the club. I was rather hoping that this time he wouldn't threaten me with violence, instead he would tell me why I'm wrong and (coach travel aside) explain why the SC is such a great institution at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2017 9:22:21 GMT
Ever since the Supporters Club got their collective knickers in a twist about not having an open top bus tour, they've had zero integrity. Combine that with the manner in which the accounts were "managed" and you have a sham organisation.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2017 9:36:27 GMT
Rovers have an average crowd of 8,500 and BRSC has about 1500 members.
The organisation has been around since 1914 and in the 1950s had 10,000 members when gates were 25,000.
The new owners cannot address them because the committee and members are independent of BRFC. The BRSC have provided substantial funds for BRFC over the past century and continue to do so.
Easy to have a go at them behind a keyboard.
Why don't the re moaners join and make change happen ?
As an organisation that are ‘independent of BRFC’ where were the Supporters Club when Dunford Jr & Higgs were leading the club to oblivion? Oh yeah, supporting them every step of the way. Not a bad summary, the rest of the thread is as irrelevant as the SC itself.
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Post by vaughan on Oct 7, 2017 9:43:41 GMT
Why can't we have a SC that is dynamic, fun and informative (2-way), not holy, decaying and quintessentially naff? It should be a commercial vehicle first and foremost. The current SC should be politely told "Thanks for the memories but let's move on".
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Post by eppinggas on Oct 7, 2017 9:44:29 GMT
Effectively we don't have a Supporters Club. No-one I know who goes regularly is a member. It's one of the things I would have liked the new owners to address. They haven't. Rovers have an average crowd of 8,500 and BRSC has about 1500 members.
The organisation has been around since 1914 and in the 1950s had 10,000 members when gates were 25,000.
The new owners cannot address them because the committee and members are independent of BRFC. The BRSC have provided substantial funds for BRFC over the past century and continue to do so.
Easy to have a go at them behind a keyboard.
Why don't the re moaners join and make change happen ?
Interesting. So in the 50's (when getting a ticket was never a problem) BRSC members : average gate = 1 : 2.5 Currently (when people largely use BRSC just to get priority tickets) BRSC members : average gate = 1 : 5.7 No, I won't join thanks (I've probably missed the mythical "cut-off date" for joining anyway). BRSC desperately needs new blood and new ideas.
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Post by Dr John Dee on Oct 7, 2017 9:59:06 GMT
For as long as I have been following the Rovers, the SC has effectively been running much of the day to day operations from turnstiles to programmes to tickets to merchandise. Now that's lovely and makes part of the community club, but it also holds back any real change or progression as you have "with all due respect" a committee of amateurs running a multi-million pound business. For all his faults, that's one of the things Hamer spotted on day one. Moving the club on from there without upsetting the good burghers of the SC who have really truly done a brilliant job to keep the club going despite whoever owns it, is just going to be hard. The new Commercial Director will need to be good and a diplomat to succeed in this as well as having to make a few initially unpopular decisions. The SC can be relevant in the future, but it's role will have to change and they need to find their own space to help the club away from hat they have traditionally done.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Oct 7, 2017 10:41:35 GMT
i get the impression that you don't like the way the SC is organised then Bamber, much like your thoughts on how the club is organised as well Don't you think forums are a great way to have a electronic soap box to stand on ? Have a good day Thing is Henbury, Harry does like the SC, he thinks we should pay money to join the club. I was rather hoping that this time he wouldn't threaten me with violence, instead he would tell me why I'm wrong and (coach travel aside) explain why the SC is such a great institution at the moment. Fully agree with what you are saying Bamber, A recent event regarding a "Volunteer" helper proved to me that they don't give a s**t about people who give up their time freely to help the club
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2017 10:52:02 GMT
Thing is Henbury, Harry does like the SC, he thinks we should pay money to join the club. I was rather hoping that this time he wouldn't threaten me with violence, instead he would tell me why I'm wrong and (coach travel aside) explain why the SC is such a great institution at the moment. Fully agree with what you are saying Bamber, A recent event regarding a "Volunteer" helper proved to me that they don't give a s*** about people who give up their time freely to help the club Don't be one of those people who suggest something but won't give details. If what you are talking about is true then you can say it without fear, I'm sure the club Chairman would love to hear if someone has been poorly treated. All this stuff I say about the SC, it isn't a criticism of the good folk who turn up week in, week out. in all weathers, sell programes, 50/50 tickets and do anything they are asked to do to help the club they love, a lot of them don't even do it for free match tickets, they buy season tickets anyway. Those people are Rovers through and through, if/when we end up in a new/rebuilt stadium I just hope that their loyalty isn't forgotten.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Oct 7, 2017 10:54:24 GMT
Fully agree with what you are saying Bamber, A recent event regarding a "Volunteer" helper proved to me that they don't give a s*** about people who give up their time freely to help the club Don't be one of those people who suggest something but won't give details. If what you are talking about is true then you can say it without fear, I'm sure the club Chairman would love to hear if someone has been poorly treated. All this stuff I say about the SC, it isn't a criticism of the good folk who turn up week in, week out. in all weathers, sell programes, 50/50 tickets and do anything they are asked to do to help the club they love, a lot of them don't even do it for free match tickets, they buy season tickets anyway. Those people are Rovers through and through, if/when we end up in a new/rebuilt stadium I just hope that their loyalty isn't forgotten. I have to be careful what i say because its still being investigated, but its to do with a so called Racist comment being made which is complete bollocks and the person has been cleared by the police
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