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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Aug 18, 2017 5:58:49 GMT
Or sponsorship of Popular Insurance South Stand
That acronym is really taking the.....erm......Mickey!(?)
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Post by womble on Aug 18, 2017 7:52:25 GMT
That was certainly the case for the Sainsbury's development, in order to give sufficient access to the shoppers car park and for HGV deliveries. I don't remember seeing any houses removed for the student accommodation financed redevelopment, although to be fair that's quite a while ago now! There were certainly a few blighted by the development and they were purchased by directors and rented out. The main issue for the planners was whether enough light would reach the surrounding houses (in planning terms ownership is irrelevant). They normally must receive light to the ground floor windows from at least 25 degrees above the horizontal - which clearly limits the height of proposed buildings. The Memorial Stadium proposals just squeaked through on this, so I don't think that no longer owning any of the surrounding house will be an issue, if we ever get that far.
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 18, 2017 8:01:35 GMT
Or sponsorship of Popular Insurance South Stand That acronym is really taking the.....erm......Mickey!(?) Actually its Poplar Insulation East Stand
That second pasty hut better be ready with that kind of subliminal advertising
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Post by laughinggas on Aug 18, 2017 8:49:14 GMT
There were certainly a few blighted by the development and they were purchased by directors and rented out. The main issue for the planners was whether enough light would reach the surrounding houses (in planning terms ownership is irrelevant). They normally must receive light to the ground floor windows from at least 25 degrees above the horizontal - which clearly limits the height of proposed buildings. The Memorial Stadium proposals just squeaked through on this, so I don't think that no longer owning any of the surrounding house will be an issue, if we ever get that far. Careful this is looking like a factual post. You mean drag and drop may not work on those other illustrations? And some think this extending is simple
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Post by eppinggas on Aug 18, 2017 9:19:21 GMT
Money is the route of all evil, and usually provides the answers to difficult questions. To get the UWE Stadium was going to require an awful lot of money. I think the UWE vision could pull in outside investment which would obviously have helped the Al-Qadi family achieve their goal (new Stadium and ROE). Now the UWE is "dead in the water" - I am very cynical about how any outside investment can be found for a relatively small site with limited opportunity for non-match day revenue in Horfield. So if my simple theory is correct, the Al-Qadi family would have to fund the entire Memorial Stadium re-build. If/when they would get their money back (or actually achieve a ROE) your guess is as good as mine. I don't think they are a charitable institution. The Stadium re-build unplanned Plan B just smacks of playing for time. Wael has said that "funding is not an issue". I am not convinced.
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Post by trunky on Aug 18, 2017 9:57:03 GMT
Are we to assume that the Al Qadi family got involved with us to make money ? if so they must be mad,very few football clubs actually make money, it's usually just an expensive hobby for the owners.
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Post by LPGas on Aug 18, 2017 12:20:34 GMT
Many years ago when we really first moved in I had a chat with an ex director who told me that the then board looked upon the Mem as a temporary ground in Bristol and they hoped that one day they would build a new stadium in the area. However he did tell me that the Mem could be developed but he didn't think it would be big enough for the long time plans for the club. Firstly he said the rugby club had been ripped off by the builders of the #West Stand and that the cost of it was the same as the then new main stand at Peterborough which seated 5,000. He then said that the North terrace could be made in to an all seater stand of 5,000 without being any higher than the tree line behind it. I suspect the trees are taller now. Then finally he said the Blue stand on the East terrace could be replaced with a 7000 seater main stand which would be no higher than the present blue stand. He said that generally speaking if you don't build higher that the stands that are already there you will get planning. He didn't mention the South stand because at that time it didn't exist. Personally I think if we take some, or all of the car park we could develop it in to a 18,0000 all seater, and with standing probably another 1000.
It is a strange site and if you look at it from Google Earth you will see the ground does not line up within the site
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Post by PessimistGas on Aug 18, 2017 12:43:48 GMT
Are we to assume that the Al Qadi family got involved with us to make money ? if so they must be mad,very few football clubs actually make money, it's usually just an expensive hobby for the owners. There is money at the top, Swansea have just sold a good, though not great, midfielder for £45m - probably more than the whole USE would cost. If you want to get to where the really big bucks are you have to be prepared to invest big, and even then there are no guarantees, look at Landsdown. Without a big investment we will keep falling behind and will continue losing money at an ever increasing rate. The AQ's have already shown the limits of their ambition, what happens when they decide they aren't happy to keep covering the ever increasing losses?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 12:53:28 GMT
We've come a long way in a short time.
Up until 18 months ago, we had decades of 'there is no alternative', 'be careful what you wish for', and 'nobody wants us'.
Now, because the owners didn't reach terms on a land deal with UWE, it's 'next!'.
There must be something in between.
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Post by PessimistGas on Aug 18, 2017 12:59:10 GMT
We've come a long way in a short time. Up until 18 months ago, we had decades of 'there is no alternative', 'be careful what you wish for', and 'nobody wants us'. Now, because the owners didn't reach terms on a land deal with UWE, it's 'next!'. There must be something in between. And the fact that there have been wild promises about a state of the art training ground which ground to a halt when Hani found out how much it was actually going to cost.
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Post by eppinggas on Aug 18, 2017 14:05:57 GMT
Are we to assume that the Al Qadi family got involved with us to make money ? if so they must be mad,very few football clubs actually make money, it's usually just an expensive hobby for the owners. I do not think the Al-Qadi family got involved with BRFC as an expensive hobby for Wael, that is secondary. The primary reason was that the potential to build the UWE Stadium made good financial sense. Great location - M32, M4, Bristol Parkway. An affluent area (ie south Glouc.) that is expanding and attracting investment. Working as partners at the UWE would have offered plenty of synergies. On a decent sized plot there was the ability to make non match-day revenue from hotels / retail etc. Plus BRFC has a decent sized fan-base and there is an opportunity to expand it. The Al-Qadis looked at other Clubs (I can only remember Gillingham, there were others), but opted for us. Because that gave them the best shot of making money. On the positive side - they still have the fan base. Just the opportunity to expand it is limited if we stay where we are. I'm not actually that gutted. I like the Mem. But if people think the Al-Qadi family are going to plough £20mil+ (or whatever the number is) in re-developing the Mem with little to no chance of getting their money back... they're drinking way too much. I predict a very long period of silence as the 'top Stadium designers' address the options available. In the meantime some tangible work on the Training Ground might help quell the disquiet.
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Post by stroudblue on Aug 18, 2017 15:46:41 GMT
Are we to assume that the Al Qadi family got involved with us to make money ? if so they must be mad,very few football clubs actually make money, it's usually just an expensive hobby for the owners. I do not think the Al-Qadi family got involved with BRFC as an expensive hobby for Wael, that is secondary. The primary reason was that the potential to build the UWE Stadium made good financial sense. Great location - M32, M4, Bristol Parkway. An affluent area (ie south Glouc.) that is expanding and attracting investment. Working as partners at the UWE would have offered plenty of synergies. On a decent sized plot there was the ability to make non match-day revenue from hotels / retail etc. Plus BRFC has a decent sized fan-base and there is an opportunity to expand it. The Al-Qadis looked at other Clubs (I can only remember Gillingham, there were others), but opted for us. Because that gave them the best shot of making money. On the positive side - they still have the fan base. Just the opportunity to expand it is limited if we stay where we are. I'm not actually that gutted. I like the Mem. But if people think the Al-Qadi family are going to plough £20mil+ (or whatever the number is) in re-developing the Mem with little to no chance of getting their money back... they're drinking way too much. I predict a very long period of silence as the 'top Stadium designers' address the options available. In the meantime some tangible work on the Training Ground might help quell the disquiet. Good points. I remember Rovers stalwarts Flook and Bradshaw, directors at the time bailing out back in the late seventies after a Hambrook deal bit the dust. We all remember the aftermath.
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Post by Colyton Gas. on Aug 18, 2017 15:54:42 GMT
WOW!!!!!!!!
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 18, 2017 16:30:09 GMT
Hi all,
I understand that the new stadium plans have, yet again, fallen through and that your chairman has now decided to re-develop the Memorial Ground. I really like the Mem and am please that you will be staying but do you know what "redevelopment" means in this case.
I have had a lot of questions regarding facilities upgrade eg for disabled supporters and have basically being telling people that the redevelopment will be extensive and take all these things into consideration.
Can you shed some light on this? If this is instead of moving to a new ground I am assuming that the changes to the Mem will be extensive and cover a lot and will not be just superficial.
oh and safe standing idea, GREAT STUFF!
thanks James D3D4Football I am not at all confident that the redevelopment will go ahead, listening to Wael's interview it all sounds very vague with quotes like we have got to have consultations, and we have got several options,surely if this was a plan B we should have had some basic groundwork done and have been ready to move fairly quickly. I am becoming very cynical about anything that comes out of the club at the moment. Precisely how I heard the interview. Woolly at best.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 16:35:11 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 16:41:12 GMT
Wasn't that Freddie Starr after he had a huge W tattooed on each buttock?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 17:01:32 GMT
The main issue for the planners was whether enough light would reach the surrounding houses (in planning terms ownership is irrelevant). They normally must receive light to the ground floor windows from at least 25 degrees above the horizontal - which clearly limits the height of proposed buildings. The Memorial Stadium proposals just squeaked through on this, so I don't think that no longer owning any of the surrounding house will be an issue, if we ever get that far. Careful this is looking like a factual post. You mean drag and drop may not work on those other illustrations? And some think this extending is simple Just remembered some 'Artist's Impressions'' of one of the proposed developments as viewed from Alton Rd, it was lovely, except it made the stand look about 10 meters lower than it would have been I'm sure that nobody living there at the time noticed.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 18, 2017 17:01:41 GMT
We've come a long way in a short time. Up until 18 months ago, we had decades of 'there is no alternative', 'be careful what you wish for', and 'nobody wants us'. Now, because the owners didn't reach terms on a land deal with UWE, it's 'next!'. There must be something in between. And the fact that there have been wild promises about a state of the art training ground which ground to a halt when Hani found out how much it was actually going to cost. I hear people keep mentioning HAQ but the fact is none of us really know the who, what and where. It does however seem the fami,y are reticent to use their own money and if Swiss is right then DS are already charging is 6% per month. I knew it was never going to be easy being a supporter but I now have personally given up on me seeing us in any new or redeveloped place. Very depressing indeed
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Post by thecuregalore94 on Aug 18, 2017 17:12:10 GMT
Staying at the Memorial Stadium is much better for the club than franchising at UWE, and the process will, I'm sure, be carefully planned out and carried out by Wael. He is a patient man and a highly intelligent businessman, when you have the finances and passion for football that he has it is simply a matter of time. I am disappointed so many Gas are being negative about the state of the club at this stage - have we forgotten the mire of Graydon days/Atkins days? The club is going onwards and upwards. Yes, it will be a slow and gradual process but Wael is working piece by piece behind the scenes and we should let him do just that. I can appreciate some of you are old and jaded enough to fear the march of time, but come on - our job is to focus on what happens on the pitch week by week and frankly that's a world of improvement on any side we've put out in the last 10 years. Put some faith in the squad and the board and who knows where the club will be in 10 years? It's Friday!
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Post by PessimistGas on Aug 18, 2017 17:21:22 GMT
Staying at the Memorial Stadium is much better for the club than franchising at UWE, and the process will, I'm sure, be carefully planned out and carried out by Wael. He is a patient man and a highly intelligent businessman, when you have the finances and passion for football that he has it is simply a matter of time. I am disappointed so many Gas are being negative about the state of the club at this stage - have we forgotten the mire of Graydon days/Atkins days? The club is going onwards and upwards. Yes, it will be a slow and gradual process but Wael is working piece by piece behind the scenes and we should let him do just that. I can appreciate some of you are old and jaded enough to fear the march of time, but come on - our job is to focus on what happens on the pitch week by week and frankly that's a world of improvement on any side we've put out in the last 10 years. Put some faith in the squad and the board and who knows where the club will be in 10 years? It's Friday! Still playing at a s**t rugby ground not fit for purpose? How would the UWE be franchising? Bizarre. The fact is that we only have the AQ's word that the UWE wasn't the best deal for Rovers, rather than not the best deal for the AQ's - or that they were unwilling, or simply unable to raise the finance. A redeveloped Mem will probably cost more than the UWE and I don't think it will ever happen.
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