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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 13:26:26 GMT
That was horrible.
Swiss point D from his post is a biggy for me, if you own a property you don't set up a company and secure the full value of the property, just to be safe, why would you?
Wael looked very uncomfortable when admitting that someone hasn't been paid.
Would love to see details of an inner city stadium development in anything other than a regeneration area, where the stadium has lead directly to an increase in property value. If he starts with that sort of nonsense he's going to have Carstairs / ROSE/RAGE etc all over him. He needs to come up with proper plans that actually involve and benefit the community, so that people like Carstairs look like outliers shouting from the side lines.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 13:56:18 GMT
I thought it was quite good and competent (save the training ground thing which didn't seem to tally). [Didn't there used to be a tin hat emoji?]
Is there anything he could or should have said that would have reassured the critics?
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Post by laughinggas on Aug 9, 2017 13:58:39 GMT
And the not a loan but it is a loan at the start.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 14:09:20 GMT
And the not a loan but it is a loan at the start. It made sense to me, and I think someone else has already tried to explain it.p on here. He competently summarised the confusion in terminology in a financial arrangement whereby a fund transfer (effectively an investment) by one company to a subsidiary is reorded as a loan, without doing a three minute tutorial on it or drawing a diagram.
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Post by badbloodash on Aug 9, 2017 16:04:37 GMT
I too think redeveloping the Mem is wrong. Firstly at the most it will hold 20,000. Previous development plans were for 17,000, maybe we can get another couple of thousand in there. Firstly the planning and local residents. Local residents already go on about parking and traffic, and let's be fair it can be a nightmare for everyone. If we want to seriously build a new ground that holds way over 20,000 then we will build on the car park. Meaning more parking in the streets Secondly , everyone needs a stadium that make money during the week, so what enterprises can you build in to the building. well clubs and bars make some money, if you can get local people in. But with so many pubs closing down it is probably a non starter. West Hams main stand at the Boleyn Ground doubled as a hotel on non match days, and very good it was too, but is there a shortage of hotels in Bristol? Is there a shortage of Conference facilities? The UWE had the advantage that the stadium was going to start off at 22k and could be added to and I thing it could have been 34k or thereabouts. the Mem will be a fixed number, and so in 10or 15 years we got in to the Premier league, that number remains the same. Staying at the Mem means we will always be a small to medium club. I thought Wael would have had more ambition than that. Don't worry mate we won't develop the mem there's no money in it for waq only someone like pantsdown could do that because it will be a massive short term money pit and no potential profit at the end I think we are in deep s**t and with the value of the mem owed as a loan we are no better off than 30 years ago except the optimism of youth has been replaced by the reality we will always be ragbag rovers I for one never thought any different but I feel for all the ones who thought the messiah had come
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Post by brizzle on Aug 9, 2017 16:25:45 GMT
It seems to me that the wheel has now turned, and the owners have gone from heroes to villains almost overnight. 😈😈
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Post by fatherjackhackett on Aug 9, 2017 16:31:43 GMT
Its like Brexit ...no deal is better than a bad deal ...funny how so called gasheads turn on owners so quickly Martin Flook, Barry Bradshaw, The Dunfords, Nick Higgs and now Wael. Lets be honest the Club has struggled to compete financially as a professional club since 1897. I remember my great granddad saying that fans used to barrack Chairman George Humphreys in the 1920 saying he just wanted the Eastville site for new housing. Being optimistic is a trait we all have to aspire to ...the Twerton Park days and the Frys Training ground days taught us Ragbag Rovers that surviving is an achievement to which we should be grateful for. Getting crowds of 9,000 at the Mem is a major plus as are the improved pasties ...embrace it you know it makes sense And this, in a nutshell, is why we get the club we deserve. Lead by the chief boardroom psychophant.
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Post by PessimistGas on Aug 9, 2017 16:42:09 GMT
Its like Brexit ...no deal is better than a bad deal ...funny how so called gasheads turn on owners so quickly Martin Flook, Barry Bradshaw, The Dunfords, Nick Higgs and now Wael. Lets be honest the Club has struggled to compete financially as a professional club since 1897. I remember my great granddad saying that fans used to barrack Chairman George Humphreys in the 1920 saying he just wanted the Eastville site for new housing. Being optimistic is a trait we all have to aspire to ...the Twerton Park days and the Frys Training ground days taught us Ragbag Rovers that surviving is an achievement to which we should be grateful for. Getting crowds of 9,000 at the Mem is a major plus as are the improved pasties ...embrace it you know it makes sense And this, in a nutshell, is why we get the club we deserve. Lead by the chief boardroom psychophant. Well said Father. As Cast in Stone says, "we've always been s**t" is worn like some sort of badge of honour and will excuse anything. Better hush up, not rock the boat and be grateful for watching mediocre football in probably the worst stadium in the league.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 16:52:45 GMT
I thought it was quite good and competent (save the training ground thing which didn't seem to tally). [Didn't there used to be a tin hat emoji?] Is there anything he could or should have said that would have reassured the critics?Yes, he could have said: As previously stated the clubs future at the Mem is not financially viable due to build costs and limited use as a 7 day a week money making operation, so therefore we will be scouring Bristol/ S Glos to see if there are any potential sites that could be suitable to build a stadium that will make the club sustainable. Or something along those lines anyway, to go from the Mem is not an option to the Mem is the ONLY option in a short space of time doesn't inspire confidence IMO.
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Post by harrybuckle on Aug 9, 2017 17:00:57 GMT
And this, in a nutshell, is why we get the club we deserve. Lead by the chief boardroom psychophant. Well said Father. As Cast in Stone says, "we've always been s***" is worn like some sort of badge of honour and will excuse anything. Better hush up, not rock the boat and be grateful for watching mediocre football in probably the worst stadium in the league. worst stadium in the League ? have you ever visited Rodney Parade, Newport or St James's Park,Exeter, Crawley Town and Stevenage
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 17:04:06 GMT
I thought it was a cracking interview, and frankly if this back biting doesn't stop we could well find ourselves causing a self fulfilling prophecy and force the Al Qadi family to up sticks and say bollocks to the lot of us. He covered everything I wanted to hear and now we should get off his back and let him get on with it. Comedians like daddies boy sticking his oar in doesn't help, indeed the continual bulls**t and failings of Dunford and co are largely responsible for the way we all feel let down again. We cannot tar the current ownership with the same brush the previous regimes richly deserved. Instead of rumour it's about time we looked at the facts, new pitch, improved squad, new back room staff and development squads, a clear vision to push the footballing side forward as quickly as possible. Some years ago the redevelopment of the Mem was the best thing since sliced bread and when that fell through the same sentiments were rightfully expressed particularly with the devious and cowardly way that was revealed, I was up at Cheltenham ffs!. Without the money these people have ploughed in we were toast, let them get on with what they are determined to do from an encouraging not undermining standpoint. UTG.
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Post by fatherjackhackett on Aug 9, 2017 17:16:59 GMT
Has everyone actually forgotten that without the Al Qadi family we were a month tops from probable administration under the previous regime?
Being nostalgic for the dark days of Dunford Jr and Higgs, lord (or 12 cans of Thatchers) give me strength...
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Post by PessimistGas on Aug 9, 2017 17:19:31 GMT
Well said Father. As Cast in Stone says, "we've always been s***" is worn like some sort of badge of honour and will excuse anything. Better hush up, not rock the boat and be grateful for watching mediocre football in probably the worst stadium in the league. worst stadium in the League ? have you ever visited Rodney Parade, Newport or St James's Park,Exeter, Crawley Town and Stevenage And what sort of gates do those clubs get compared to us? All of those clubs names vastly smaller with nothing like the potential. You appear to view decades of underachivement as some sort accomplishment to be celebrated. You are not alone, that why we will always be s***. And I would dispute that any of those grounds are worse, with the exception of Rodney Parade.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 17:24:38 GMT
Has everyone actually forgotten that without the Al Qadi family we were a month tops from probable administration under the previous regime? Being nostalgic for the dark days of Dunford Jr and Higgs, lord (or 12 cans of Thatchers) give me strength... The family beat of competition from a consortium to take over the club didn't they? Or was that hearsay?
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Post by billyocean on Aug 9, 2017 17:27:20 GMT
Geoff may also like to ask Wael which planning permission he is waiting to go through before work can start on the training ground because, as far as I know, no new planning application has been submitted by Dwane Sports or Bristol Rovers for the Colony site. On the training ground, I was driving past today and the application is still posted on the main gates but after putting up the fence in Feb/March this year, nothing has happened. I don't understand the planning process but you can see the application here and it says the decision is "Approve with Conditions". There is no linked application other than the original one dating back to 1998 (assuming if they were challenging the conditions or had submitted a follow up planning permission, it would be linked to this one - I think it would have to be) Anyway, my question is (wearing a sceptical hat) if there is no follow up application, why not start building? The Facebook page with the link to check the progress was started in March and hasn't been updated since the day it was set up. full planning application developments.southglos.gov.uk/online-applications/simpleSearchResults.do?action=firstPagephotos taken earlier this afternoon
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Post by PessimistGas on Aug 9, 2017 17:32:03 GMT
Geoff may also like to ask Wael which planning permission he is waiting to go through before work can start on the training ground because, as far as I know, no new planning application has been submitted by Dwane Sports or Bristol Rovers for the Colony site. On the training ground, I was driving past today and the application is still posted on the main gates but after putting up the fence in Feb/March this year, nothing has happened.  I don't understand the planning process but you can see the application here and it says the decision is "Approve with Conditions".  There is no linked application other than the original one dating back to 1998 (assuming if they were challenging the conditions or had submitted a follow up planning permission, it would be linked to this one - I think it would have to be) Anyway, my question is (wearing a sceptical hat) if there is no follow up application, why not start building?  The Facebook page with the link to check the progress was started in March and hasn't been updated since the day it was set up. full planning application developments.southglos.gov.uk/online-applications/simpleSearchResults.do?action=firstPagephotos taken earlier this afternoon Exactly.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 17:48:30 GMT
Well said Father. As Cast in Stone says, "we've always been s***" is worn like some sort of badge of honour and will excuse anything. Better hush up, not rock the boat and be grateful for watching mediocre football in probably the worst stadium in the league. worst stadium in the League ? have you ever visited Rodney Parade, Newport or St James's Park,Exeter, Crawley Town and Stevenage The two sides which survive currently at Exeter are better than anything at The Mem and they are currently redeveloping the away end the old Stage Coach Stand.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 18:23:48 GMT
I thought it was quite good and competent (save the training ground thing which didn't seem to tally). [Didn't there used to be a tin hat emoji?] Is there anything he could or should have said that would have reassured the critics?Yes, he could have said: As previously stated the clubs future at the Mem is not financially viable due to build costs and limited use as a 7 day a week money making operation, so therefore we will be scouring Bristol/ S Glos to see if there are any potential sites that could be suitable to build a stadium that will make the club sustainable. Or something along those lines anyway, to go from the Mem is not an option to the Mem is the ONLY option in a short space of time doesn't inspire confidence IMO. ...and the response would have been 'If there are any potential sites, FFS, and where's the money, and I don't believe him, and he obviously wants to move us to London, you can tell, and it's what someone said, and my mind's already made up, and this proves that all is lost' (or variations thereof). Hysteria.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 22:45:54 GMT
Yes, he could have said: As previously stated the clubs future at the Mem is not financially viable due to build costs and limited use as a 7 day a week money making operation, so therefore we will be scouring Bristol/ S Glos to see if there are any potential sites that could be suitable to build a stadium that will make the club sustainable. Or something along those lines anyway, to go from the Mem is not an option to the Mem is the ONLY option in a short space of time doesn't inspire confidence IMO. ...and the response would have been 'If there are any potential sites, FFS, and where's the money, and I don't believe him, and he obviously wants to move us to London, you can tell, and it's what someone said, and my mind's already made up, and this proves that all is lost' (or variations thereof). Hysteria. My mistake, I thought you asked the question regarding an individuals thoughts and not a collective, I answered as an individual, and had WAQ said what he had previously said about exploring other land purchase options then as a so called'critic' I would have felt assured that he was sticking to the original plan. WAQ, has done a complete u-turn in a short space of time, from the Mem is not the future of the FC to the Mem is now the only option being considered, made very clear in his interview yesterday. I thought WAQ was a very smart cookie and totally focused on covering all bases, sadly not the case, plan B isn't a plan at all, there was no prep work going on in the event that UWE fell through, given the overall project stretched out to 8 years ending in failure I'm not sure paying someone to explore potential PP, Mem viability on the Mem 12-18 months ago would have been too costly in the grand scheme of running the FC. It's been a case of all eggs in one basket and now we hit the reset button and go again through the lengthy process of planning, objection, planning re-applications and more objection. Hysteria? Not me, this is stadium number 5 let down, seen it all before, just another sigh and shrug of the shoulders, just disappointed and surprised that a man of WAQ's calibre hasn't covered all basis from day one, particularly having admittedly spent several months getting frustrated with one step forward three steps back by the UWE board of governors.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 22:46:31 GMT
...and the response would have been 'If there are any potential sites, FFS, and where's the money, and I don't believe him, and he obviously wants to move us to London, you can tell, and it's what someone said, and my mind's already made up, and this proves that all is lost' (or variations thereof). Hysteria. My mistake, I thought you asked the question regarding an individuals thoughts and not a collective, I answered as an individual, and had WAQ said what he had previously said about exploring other land purchase options then as a so called 'critic' I would have felt assured that he was sticking to the original plan. WAQ, has done a complete u-turn in a short space of time, from the Mem is not the future of the FC to the Mem is now the only option being considered, made very clear in his interview yesterday. I thought WAQ was a very smart cookie and totally focused on covering all bases, sadly not the case, plan B isn't a plan at all, there was no prep work going on in the event that UWE fell through, given the overall project stretched out to 8 years ending in failure I'm not sure paying someone to explore potential PP, Mem viability on the Mem 12-18 months ago would have been too costly in the grand scheme of running the FC. It's been a case of all eggs in one basket and now we hit the reset button and go again through the lengthy process of planning, objection, planning re-applications and more objection. Hysteria? Not me, this is stadium number 5 let down, seen it all before, just another sigh and shrug of the shoulders, just disappointed and surprised that a man of WAQ's calibre hasn't covered all basis from day one, particularly having admittedly spent several months getting frustrated with one step forward three steps back by the UWE board of governors.
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