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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 16:55:26 GMT
Paid for by the 50/50 draw wasn't it? Hence the title "Raise the Roof" at the time. Along with the income from the sell of the car park which was ringfenced by the City Council for stadium improvements so it funded a few other things like the rent on the South Stand and the new floodlights. The car park or the part of it that was sold was actually sold by the rugby club in one of its last ditch efforts to stay alive
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Post by The Concept on Aug 7, 2017 17:00:34 GMT
A kind of poor man's forum David Starkey. We should fill him with half decent wine and invite Laurie Penney along. poor man ? Is Richard ....Ringo's brother per chance who the hell is Laurie ....Shaun's sister maybe. He was educated at Millfield (not a lot of people know that)
Be Club historian is more than looking things up in books I assure you. In his hey day Chris Brown would surely have given you a firm slap which is richly deserved.
Keyboard warriors as dear Geoff calls you like to spout all sorts of nonsense it makes you fell better I guess.
And there you have it. For the second day in a row, the Bristol Rovers Club Historian endorses one Bristol Rovers supporter physically assaulting another Bristol Rovers supporter. What a delightful chap.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 17:31:48 GMT
poor man ? Is Richard ....Ringo's brother per chance who the hell is Laurie ....Shaun's sister maybe. He was educated at Millfield (not a lot of people know that)
Be Club historian is more than looking things up in books I assure you. In his hey day Chris Brown would surely have given you a firm slap which is richly deserved.
Keyboard warriors as dear Geoff calls you like to spout all sorts of nonsense it makes you fell better I guess.
And there you have it. For the second day in a row, the Bristol Rovers Club Historian endorses one Bristol Rovers supporter physically assaulting another Bristol Rovers supporter. What a delightful chap. He's out to lunch
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 18:26:01 GMT
Along with the income from the sell of the car park which was ringfenced by the City Council for stadium improvements so it funded a few other things like the rent on the South Stand and the new floodlights. The car park or the part of it that was sold was actually sold by the rugby club in one of its last ditch efforts to stay alive No it wasn't. An option to purchase was acquired by the developers from the rugby club after building the centenary stand. That option was taken up after BRFC had acquired the Stadium and the proceeds were paid to the football club.
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Post by bloogas on Aug 7, 2017 18:36:11 GMT
At Eastville and Twerton and the first years at the Mem we didn't hold a lease on the ground and own the stadium so completely different situations. All we ever were was the tenants. GD is right there is nothing fundamentally wrong with leasehold particularly if it's for a 125 years or more as I've yet to ever come across a company that has a 125 year business plan Geoff is no doubt a student of John Maynard Keynes, in the long run we are all dead. Hes right there is nothing fundamentally wrong with a leasehold, although I suspect the sticking points was much more about division of revenue than leasehold/freehold question. After posting I reflected on it a bit more & decided maybe leasing wasn't so bad - as said, if it's 125 years, who cares.Might be no Football League by then!
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Post by droitwichgas on Aug 7, 2017 19:06:58 GMT
I don't know what some of you have against Geoff Dunford. Without him and his father we would have gone out of business when we were chucked out of Eastville, and Geoff Dunford is the reason we now own the Mem. So from nothing to a 10 million asset. Better than ANY other chairman in that respect. Either some of you are too young to remember that or you are just ungrateful so and so's. I think since Wael showed up some people have caught the "big club" syndome OK I'll bite. I'm 50, was there for the first game at Twerton, 31 years ago. Also now 21 years ago since moving to the Mem. Until 18 months ago, to call the administration of Bristol Rovers as amateur would be insulting to anyone who does sports administration unpaid. The entire ground improvements have consisted of a roof, paid for by us fans and not the club. Dunford, along with his faithful lap dog Tinpot Toni Watola, embraced and encouraged a culture of BRFC which leads to fans being seen as people to be spoken to, not with, Santas Grotto, crumbling terraces, Wonga loans and Conference football. Higgs takes a lot of flack but he was just following Geoff Dunford's legacy. In my experience he is a petulant child who throws his toys out of the pram if ever questioned, and is very fortunate to have come from the seed of a truly great man in Dennis. Some of the tactics employed by him and his cronies to keep the fans on board would make the East German Stasi proud. We have made more strides off the pitch in the last 18 months than we did in the previous 18 years. So for him to have a cheap pop at the Al Qadi family when he has been responsible for a minimum of 8 failed stadium attempts somewhat sticks in the gullet tbh. It's fair to say I'm not a fan... To be fair to GD when he was in charge club debts were always under control, NH took them to the next level and had to rely upon the wonga loan to survive, Wael's taken them to the next level and unless he's prepared to finance then indefinitely, or start reducing them, then you do wonder where it will all now end now it appears moving to the UWE and selling the Mem to clear them is no longer an option.
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Post by bs5 on Aug 7, 2017 19:29:39 GMT
GD seems to be saying "what's wrong with leasehold" but I thought our problems since WW2 were because we didn't own a ground. It might work for supermarkets & similar but surely sports clubs need security of tenure. Nothing wrong with leaseholds but isn't that a red herring. Surely the points which couldn't be agreed on was who kept the match and non match day income? Any way wasn't GD behind the consortium which was rejected in favour of the current owners? is that an old picture of the Bulldog Cast In Stone?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 19:42:52 GMT
Nothing wrong with leaseholds but isn't that a red herring. Surely the points which couldn't be agreed on was who kept the match and non match day income? Any way wasn't GD behind the consortium which was rejected in favour of the current owners? is that an old picture of the Bulldog Cast In Stone? Yes.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 7, 2017 21:27:41 GMT
I don't know what some of you have against Geoff Dunford. Without him and his father we would have gone out of business when we were chucked out of Eastville, and Geoff Dunford is the reason we now own the Mem. So from nothing to a 10 million asset. Better than ANY other chairman in that respect. Either some of you are too young to remember that or you are just ungrateful so and so's. I think since Wael showed up some people have caught the "big club" syndome Also a petty & vindictive individual who put pay to the only scheme that could have seen us miles ahead of where we are. A man who threatened court if you dared to question or disagree and a megalomaniac who could NEVER say sorry.
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Post by bs5 on Aug 7, 2017 22:52:26 GMT
is that an old picture of the Bulldog Cast In Stone? Yes. Your local?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 5:28:01 GMT
Not anymore but it was my first ever local.
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Post by bloogas on Aug 8, 2017 8:45:50 GMT
I don't know what some of you have against Geoff Dunford. Without him and his father we would have gone out of business when we were chucked out of Eastville, and Geoff Dunford is the reason we now own the Mem. So from nothing to a 10 million asset. Better than ANY other chairman in that respect. Either some of you are too young to remember that or you are just ungrateful so and so's. I think since Wael showed up some people have caught the "big club" syndome Also a petty & vindictive individual who put pay to the only scheme that could have seen us miles ahead of where we are. A man who threatened court if you dared to question or disagree and a megalomaniac who could NEVER say sorry. My own take was that Dennis & Ron Craig were great & we owe them bigtime. Unfortunately GD seemed to go off on an ego trip of self aggrandisement when he took over. Martin Dobson was a vanity appointment & GD loved the reflected glory of Malcolm Allison. Holloway was also something of a fantasy appointment - great ride while it lasted but didn't really get us anywhere (except maybe financial problems). GD then seemed to slowly become paranoid. Sad,& gives me no pleasure to reflect on it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 13:31:13 GMT
The car park or the part of it that was sold was actually sold by the rugby club in one of its last ditch efforts to stay alive No it wasn't. An option to purchase was acquired by the developers from the rugby club after building the centenary stand. That option was taken up after BRFC had acquired the Stadium and the proceeds were paid to the football club. If you read the reports at the time the land was sold about 18 months prior to rovers purchasing the stadium What you are doing is quoting yet another urban myth similar to that which says rovers bought the ground for 10.000
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 13:37:57 GMT
I don't know what some of you have against Geoff Dunford. Without him and his father we would have gone out of business when we were chucked out of Eastville, and Geoff Dunford is the reason we now own the Mem. So from nothing to a 10 million asset. Better than ANY other chairman in that respect. Either some of you are too young to remember that or you are just ungrateful so and so's. I think since Wael showed up some people have caught the "big club" syndome Also a petty & vindictive individual who put pay to the only scheme that could have seen us miles ahead of where we are. A man who threatened court if you dared to question or disagree and a megalomaniac who could NEVER say sorry. Which of the many schemes was that
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 13:43:50 GMT
Also a petty & vindictive individual who put pay to the only scheme that could have seen us miles ahead of where we are. A man who threatened court if you dared to question or disagree and a megalomaniac who could NEVER say sorry. My own take was that Dennis & Ron Craig were great & we owe them bigtime. Unfortunately GD seemed to go off on an ego trip of self aggrandisement when he took over. Martin Dobson was a vanity appointment & GD loved the reflected glory of Malcolm Allison. Holloway was also something of a fantasy appointment - great ride while it lasted but didn't really get us anywhere (except maybe financial problems). GD then seemed to slowly become paranoid. Sad,& gives me no pleasure to reflect on it. Wasn't malcolm Allison a friend of either of Messrs Craig or newton and they persuaded him to help the club get out of a perilous situation. I know for a fact that go did not approach him. Theoretically dobson could have been a great appointment given his pedigree unfortunately his man management skills were sadly lacking As for Holloway I didn't hearany fans decrying his appointment of not enjoying the brand of football his teams played Still at least you are giving Ellis a rest from constant criticism
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 13:45:09 GMT
Also a petty & vindictive individual who put pay to the only scheme that could have seen us miles ahead of where we are. A man who threatened court if you dared to question or disagree and a megalomaniac who could NEVER say sorry. My own take was that Dennis & Ron Craig were great & we owe them bigtime. Unfortunately GD seemed to go off on an ego trip of self aggrandisement when he took over. Martin Dobson was a vanity appointment & GD loved the reflected glory of Malcolm Allison. Holloway was also something of a fantasy appointment - great ride while it lasted but didn't really get us anywhere (except maybe financial problems). GD then seemed to slowly become paranoid. Sad,& gives me no pleasure to reflect on it. Wasn't malcolm Allison a friend of either of Messrs Craig or newton and they persuaded him to help the club get out of a perilous situation. I know for a fact that go did not approach him. Theoretically dobson could have been a great appointment given his pedigree unfortunately his man management skills were sadly lacking As for Holloway I didn't hearany fans decrying his appointment of not enjoying the brand of football his teams played Still at least you are giving Ellis a rest from constant criticism
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 8, 2017 15:13:48 GMT
Also a petty & vindictive individual who put pay to the only scheme that could have seen us miles ahead of where we are. A man who threatened court if you dared to question or disagree and a megalomaniac who could NEVER say sorry. Which of the many schemes was that RAFC. You knew that full well though, I'd imagine. I never said anything about many schemes so maybe you got your wires crossed. Geoff did what kept Geoff in the hot seat and he still cannot let go now, given his BS about a book & joining in on Twitter & probably the single most vile page I've come across of twofacedbook I would have thought that a man who has faced cancer and may even still be facing it ? May want to spend some quality time with his loved ones and doing things he has not yet done but each to their own. That he chooses to involve himself in the petty nonsense is beyond me. Jaysus, I am losing interest in the ongoing saga that is Rovers as it is. One could say I am close to indifferent if honest. He has the hotel, restaurant , charities etc and his bus BUT he still seems either unable or incapable to step out of the light that once was. Sorry but I don't get it. I've tried to see it from varying perspectives but none of it makes any sense
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 8, 2017 15:24:07 GMT
Also a petty & vindictive individual who put pay to the only scheme that could have seen us miles ahead of where we are. A man who threatened court if you dared to question or disagree and a megalomaniac who could NEVER say sorry. My own take was that Dennis & Ron Craig were great & we owe them bigtime. Unfortunately GD seemed to go off on an ego trip of self aggrandisement when he took over. Martin Dobson was a vanity appointment & GD loved the reflected glory of Malcolm Allison. Holloway was also something of a fantasy appointment - great ride while it lasted but didn't really get us anywhere (except maybe financial problems). GD then seemed to slowly become paranoid. Sad,& gives me no pleasure to reflect on it. I think that is it in a nutshell. Thanks for articulating what I wanted to say but just couldn't find the words. Sad is definitely the right word. If you believe what's being bandied about by some then he has apparently said he would come to rovers aid if necessary. Too much rumour and nothing from the Al Qadi family when it really is needed in my opinion
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Post by kingswood Polak on Aug 8, 2017 15:29:05 GMT
poor man ? Is Richard ....Ringo's brother per chance who the hell is Laurie ....Shaun's sister maybe. He was educated at Millfield (not a lot of people know that)
Be Club historian is more than looking things up in books I assure you. In his hey day Chris Brown would surely have given you a firm slap which is richly deserved.
Keyboard warriors as dear Geoff calls you like to spout all sorts of nonsense it makes you fell better I guess.
And there you have it. For the second day in a row, the Bristol Rovers Club Historian endorses one Bristol Rovers supporter physically assaulting another Bristol Rovers supporter. What a delightful chap. A very bad couple of weeks for Mike. It's all quite sad to read and why bring someone else into it who has never been one to go slapping people for words on a forum. I find it hard to read to be honest. It's like having your very own poster boy for a mid life crisis
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 16:15:47 GMT
No it wasn't. An option to purchase was acquired by the developers from the rugby club after building the centenary stand. That option was taken up after BRFC had acquired the Stadium and the proceeds were paid to the football club. If you read the reports at the time the land was sold about 18 months prior to rovers purchasing the stadium What you are doing is quoting yet another urban myth similar to that which says rovers bought the ground for 10.000 You are 💯 % incorrect and I was party to spending some of the proceeds. We also received further fuds when the developers built the wall in the wrong place. The stadium was purchased for £2.3m plus a further £10k.
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