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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 21:59:56 GMT
The reaction to the stadium news has shocked me more than the news itself! I'm not sure if its just pure frustration or a lack of business knowledge or just straight up anger. Why would a company sign a contract for something they dont want? This is essentially the issue one would imagine. UWE were dictating terms, we didnt like them or agree so walked away. Its a simple commercial decision. Imagine you go to a shop for a broom, you pick one out, go to pay (create a contract) and the shop owner says "ahhh well you can have the broom but ill rent you the handle, and you cant use it on sundays or tuesdays, and you cant use it to brush up leaves, only household sweeping." If you want a broom to brush up leaves on a sunday you arnt going to buy that broom under those conditions. So why would our owners for a £30m deal. Because they had every opportunity to discuss the broom, if it came with a handle included, when it could be used and for what, before taking Higgs place on your journey to the shop? Of course, UWE may have had some kind of meltdown and changed everything about the broom, if that's the case I expect that Wael will tell us all about how difficult it was trying to deal with them, but you would think that Hamer may have at least hinted at it yesterday, wouldn't you, rather than just saying that he thought the whole broom cupboard had some kind of hex on it?
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Post by chelt_gas on Aug 5, 2017 0:55:43 GMT
The reaction to the stadium news has shocked me more than the news itself! I'm not sure if its just pure frustration or a lack of business knowledge or just straight up anger. Why would a company sign a contract for something they dont want? This is essentially the issue one would imagine. UWE were dictating terms, we didnt like them or agree so walked away. Its a simple commercial decision. Imagine you go to a shop for a broom, you pick one out, go to pay (create a contract) and the shop owner says "ahhh well you can have the broom but ill rent you the handle, and you cant use it on sundays or tuesdays, and you cant use it to brush up leaves, only household sweeping." If you want a broom to brush up leaves on a sunday you arnt going to buy that broom under those conditions. So why would our owners for a £30m deal. Because they had every opportunity to discuss the broom, if it came with a handle included, when it could be used and for what, before taking Higgs place on your journey to the shop? Of course, UWE may have had some kind of meltdown and changed everything about the broom, if that's the case I expect that Wael will tell us all about how difficult it was trying to deal with them, but you would think that Hamer may have at least hinted at it yesterday, wouldn't you, rather than just saying that he thought the whole broom cupboard had some kind of hex on it? The reaction is understandable, fans with little knowledge of the commercial discussions acting upon impulse with little emotional control will always demonstrate 'Rage' like symptoms. The reality is that this was (is) a large commercial transaction between Seller and Purchaser but where the Purchaser has complete changed personnel midway through the negotiation phase. In hindsight, it appears odd that Heads of Terms if or weren't agreed 'Subject to Planning' way earlier in the negotiation process - my memory now escapes me. If they were then you can't blame UWE for not wanting to accept a totally revised offer from DS and, equally, you can place some accountability on DS for buying the club inclusive of outline HOTs for a new stadium at UWE. I think it's a shame for both parties. In mediation, often you start by agreeing a same desired outcome for both parties and then work backwards. I just hope both parties had always wanted, and still want, the same overall outcome for the site.
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Post by Rex on Aug 5, 2017 8:10:02 GMT
The reaction to the stadium news has shocked me more than the news itself! I'm not sure if its just pure frustration or a lack of business knowledge or just straight up anger. Why would a company sign a contract for something they dont want? This is essentially the issue one would imagine. UWE were dictating terms, we didnt like them or agree so walked away. Its a simple commercial decision. Imagine you go to a shop for a broom, you pick one out, go to pay (create a contract) and the shop owner says "ahhh well you can have the broom but ill rent you the handle, and you cant use it on sundays or tuesdays, and you cant use it to brush up leaves, only household sweeping." If you want a broom to brush up leaves on a sunday you arnt going to buy that broom under those conditions. So why would our owners for a £30m deal. I agree - given that there was a finite deadline for when this *had* to be announced (January at the latest), I can't help but feel that this would have been better being stage managed correctly and for the football club to have had time to formulate their response and new strategy. As it is, two days after the decision was formally taken, some idiot from within the club has leaked it to a mate who has spilled it all over Facebook, forcing the club into a rushed response. Whoever leaked it should be fired tbh. The reaction from has been disastrous from a PR point of view.Has it really though? The term 'PR disaster' always makes me chuckle anyway. It is not uncommon to see 'PR experts' talking about 'PR disasters' in the media , when all they really seem to be doing is to stoke up the flames of the said PR disaster , it's a self perpetuating industry. Some fans are upset about the news, an awful lot are pretty 'meh' about the whole thing. Stadium news will never be as exciting to me as an injury time winner.
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Post by strung out on Aug 5, 2017 9:28:29 GMT
I agree - given that there was a finite deadline for when this *had* to be announced (January at the latest), I can't help but feel that this would have been better being stage managed correctly and for the football club to have had time to formulate their response and new strategy. As it is, two days after the decision was formally taken, some idiot from within the club has leaked it to a mate who has spilled it all over Facebook, forcing the club into a rushed response. Whoever leaked it should be fired tbh. The reaction from has been disastrous from a PR point of view.Has it really though? The term 'PR disaster' always makes me chuckle anyway. It is not uncommon to see 'PR experts' talking about 'PR disasters' in the media , when all they really seem to be doing is to stoke up the flames of the said PR disaster , it's a self perpetuating industry. Some fans are upset about the news, an awful lot are pretty 'meh' about the whole thing. Stadium news will never be as exciting to me as an injury time winner. Fair comment, I guess I'm probably paying too much attention to the doom merchants all over the forums and social media.
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Post by One F in Dunford on Aug 5, 2017 9:48:47 GMT
I agree - given that there was a finite deadline for when this *had* to be announced (January at the latest), I can't help but feel that this would have been better being stage managed correctly and for the football club to have had time to formulate their response and new strategy. As it is, two days after the decision was formally taken, some idiot from within the club has leaked it to a mate who has spilled it all over Facebook, forcing the club into a rushed response. Whoever leaked it should be fired tbh. The reaction from has been disastrous from a PR point of view.Has it really though? The term 'PR disaster' always makes me chuckle anyway. It is not uncommon to see 'PR experts' talking about 'PR disasters' in the media , when all they really seem to be doing is to stoke up the flames of the said PR disaster , it's a self perpetuating industry. Some fans are upset about the news, an awful lot are pretty 'meh' about the whole thing. Stadium news will never be as exciting to me as an injury time winner. I agree Rex, I certainly wasn't surprised by the news and was in a way relieved after the " unknown news" leaked the night before, was described as "bad news that can't really get much worse". Was in really that bad? We still have our club and own our ground (and I do understand about the debts). We need to be positive, I personally would like a revamped Mem that can hold 20,000 supporters.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2017 10:02:03 GMT
Has it really though? The term 'PR disaster' always makes me chuckle anyway. It is not uncommon to see 'PR experts' talking about 'PR disasters' in the media , when all they really seem to be doing is to stoke up the flames of the said PR disaster , it's a self perpetuating industry. Some fans are upset about the news, an awful lot are pretty 'meh' about the whole thing. Stadium news will never be as exciting to me as an injury time winner. I agree Rex, I certainly wasn't surprised by the news and was in a way relieved after the " unknown news" leaked the night before, was described as "bad news that can't really get much worse". Was in really that bad? We still have our club and own our ground (and I do understand about the debts). We need to be positive, I personally would like a revamped Mem that can hold 20,000 supporters.Carstairs will be delighted. Those Muppets at that hardware shop will probably complain that the extra crowds will harm the door hinge industry or some such nonsense, ROSE/RAGE will be dusting off their air pollution and noise meters, and so the creaky old merry-go-round gets set for another spin.
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Post by c13 on Aug 6, 2017 6:15:26 GMT
The best way to judge a business transaction is by judging who's a hero and who's a villain, obviously. Everybody knows how much emotion and passion go into signing contracts and moving money
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2017 7:26:21 GMT
Has it really though? The term 'PR disaster' always makes me chuckle anyway. It is not uncommon to see 'PR experts' talking about 'PR disasters' in the media , when all they really seem to be doing is to stoke up the flames of the said PR disaster , it's a self perpetuating industry. Some fans are upset about the news, an awful lot are pretty 'meh' about the whole thing. Stadium news will never be as exciting to me as an injury time winner. I agree Rex, I certainly wasn't surprised by the news and was in a way relieved after the " unknown news" leaked the night before, was described as "bad news that can't really get much worse". Was in really that bad? We still have our club and own our ground (and I do understand about the debts). We need to be positive, I personally would like a revamped Mem that can hold 20,000 supporters. I don't think that the "bad news that cant really get much worse" has come out yet but the next few months could be interesting. I also think that quite a lot of Rovers supporters never thought the UWE stadium would happen and that some of them aren't bothered that its fallen through. I doubt that there are the funds or the capability to revamp the Mem.
Worry is the wrong word for how I feel (I save worry for health issues to family and friends)I am concerned about Rovers future though, lets face it being a Rovers supporter is a roller coaster ride and even if they end up as AFC Rovers of Bristol in the Western league I expect that everyone one here and all the Rovers fans that I know will still carry on supporting them.
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Post by lostinspace on Aug 6, 2017 8:33:39 GMT
I agree Rex, I certainly wasn't surprised by the news and was in a way relieved after the " unknown news" leaked the night before, was described as "bad news that can't really get much worse". Was in really that bad? We still have our club and own our ground (and I do understand about the debts). We need to be positive, I personally would like a revamped Mem that can hold 20,000 supporters. I don't think that the "bad news that cant really get much worse" has come out yet but the next few months could be interesting. I also think that quite a lot of Rovers supporters never thought the UWE stadium would happen and that some of them aren't bothered that its fallen through. I doubt that there are the funds or the capability to revamp the Mem.
Worry is the wrong word for how I feel (I save worry for health issues to family and friends)I am concerned about Rovers future though, lets face it being a Rovers supporter is a roller coaster ride and even if they end up as AFC Rovers of Bristol in the Western league I expect that everyone one here and all the Rovers fans that I know will still carry on supporting them.
trouble is IF they ended up in the WL ......they would need a new stadium!!! but that's another story on the BRFC merry go round [mulberry bushes and all]
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Aug 6, 2017 14:58:40 GMT
Neat!
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Post by LPGas on Aug 6, 2017 18:12:51 GMT
I don't know what the terms of any contract with UWE were, or migrated to, or what the stcking points were. Neither, I think, do any of the people discussing its merits. All I know is that agreement wasn't reached in 18 months by two parties who presumably (given they spent 18 months on it), wanted it to happen. So any who's right and who's wrong is white noise. That one party blew the whistle on it, after 18 months of non-resolution, doesn't seem outrageous, though. Sure, it's disappointing, but hey. It doesn't prove that anyone's a charlatan or make every other initiative null and void. As for it firing the starting pistol for 'the Internet is full of people repeating what they've seen on the Internet' (but nothing's ever first-hand) and concluding that 'this absolutely proves that the Earth is about to implode - FACT', I'll leave them to it. 18 months lees very long holidays
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