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Post by warehamgas on May 9, 2017 9:43:43 GMT
Thanks for the stats harry. Yes it sounds a lot doesn't it but I stand by what I said in that we've not changed much over the past 3 years or so. Some elevens we put out this year were very similar to last year and even to our time in the Conference. But those figures show that it's not easy to get players you want that will improve the team. But he has done that, hasn't he, 23rd, 2nd, 3rd, 10th in league1. Pretty good evolution, and even quite a revolution. The overall point I was making was that I agreed with Igurtur about the teams going up should be better than the teams coming down but that sometimes teams do have wholesale changes in a close season and a transfer window can transform a team. I feel that that hasn't happened to us and that we've stayed relatively similar. Your figures show a lot of activity with players coming in but they've not always established themselves in the first eleven. You have an encyclopaedic knowledge harry of the gas and it's good to read! UTG!
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Post by irishrover on May 9, 2017 12:10:10 GMT
Yes I agree I think you're right to want that. But I wonder if in today's day and age of players moving about so much whether that is the case as much as it was 20/30 years ago. Sometimes the personnel changes so much that teams change so much from one season to the next. We've been quite unusual over the past three years insofar as we've not changed much. With the transfer windows as they are and players rarely staying long In one club I think clubs change very quickly. In some cases the team going up isnt always better than the team coming down. This season I think about the Middlesbrough/ Newcastle swap, the Wigan / Bolton swap and probably some others that don't come immediately to mind. Im not sure that in those case the better team was in the higher division. Some clubs that go down change their teams so much that they are better than the teams that have replaced them. I guess some of the teams seem to be real yo-yo clubs, Norwich, Chesterfield spring to mind. Although I don't like the innate unfairness of the play offs I accept that they are exciting, they create meaningful matches and they are here to stay. In the end I guess that's what makes football so exciting and unpredictable. In the end I think the only thing that you can say with certainty is that from August to May these teams were the better because they were promoted whether ''tis fair or not. It's like any play off final, as we found out, I didn't really care how we played or how lucky or unlucky we were, it doesn't matter. It is all about the result, pure and simple. I'd rather be rubbish but get a refs bad decision or an unfair penalty and win, that's all that matters in those situations. UTG! 13 debutants last season and 33 different players used 21 debutants and 30 players used 2015/16 19 debutants and 28 players used 2014/15 (Conference) so DC has signed 53 new players many loanees during his time as manager. Just 15 of those contracted so far for next season. But I'd like to know how that compares to other clubs. I suspect that DC is just doing what everybody else does. I think this is way the player market works now and my feeling is there's nothing particularly unusual about what he is doing. I have a friend of mine who is a big Bury fan - they more or less turned over their entire first team squad over the course of last season and they did something similar 2 years ago and I'll bet they have fewer than 15 currently contracted for next season too.
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Post by Colyton Gas. on May 14, 2017 13:01:41 GMT
Hull relegated.Lots of friends at Carlisle for play -off v Exeter to-day.Amazingly they won there last week in final league game to qualify.Manager Keith Curle so a Gas connection. FGR 3-1 up.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 13:21:46 GMT
There's something wrong with an organisation that schedules Exeter away at Carlisle for 6:30 on a Sunday evening. Any chance that the fans and spirit of it all might get factored in to all this?
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Post by eppinggas on May 14, 2017 13:27:04 GMT
Nope. Welcome to the world of football. Controlled and paid for by Sky.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 13:30:13 GMT
Would you sooner have an automatic place 3rd and no playoffs? I wouldn't. Teams start the season knowing if they finish 3rd they'll playoff against 6th. No, quite enjoy watching playoffs as there is so much on them. What I think is 'fair' would be a rule that if, as in our case, a 3rd place team is say over 10 points ahead of 4th then it should go up automatically (that will not happen, because of so many games becoming dead rubbers and loss of TV money) or that team should play third from bottom of the Champs. Remember in the early playoffs one team from the league above joined three from the league below and Scotland have had a similar system. You could argue that if a team is say 10 points ahead then it should be able to easily beat 6th, but performance over a season should be measured not one offs. 1 Walsall 46 16 4 3 39 13 9 10 4 27 21 66 34 +32 89 2 Hartlepool United 46 14 5 4 34 17 12 5 6 31 23 65 40 +25 88 3 Swindon Town 46 15 4 4 34 17 10 6 7 24 21 58 38 +20 85 4 Milton Keynes Dons 46 14 4 5 41 26 11 5 7 35 32 76 58 +18 84 5 Lincoln City 46 12 4 7 36 28 9 7 7 34 31 70 59 +11 74 6 Bristol Rovers 46 13 5 5 27 14 7 7 9 22 28 49 42 +7 72 7 Shrewsbury 46 11 7 5 38 23 7 10 6 30 23 68 46 +22 71 You'll have to think up something clever to exclude teams called Milton Keynes when they finish 10 points clear of teams called Lincoln and 13 clear of Shrewsbury, but only when it benefits teams that play in quarters. Complicated, isn't it In reality, as you say, we sold out our home game against Lincoln, they sold out their home leg and that was on the telly, Wembley got a load of dosh, Shrews pocketed their share, I don't know the numbers but the TV viewing figures for the final were probably respectable, so as always, money talks.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 13:56:11 GMT
Nope. Welcome to the world of football. Controlled and paid for by Sky. It could be argued that it's Sod's Law that it threw up Carlisle v Exeter, but this is a division that contains Plymouth, Exeter, Yeovil, Portsmouth, Colchester, Grimsby, Hartlepool, Carlisle, Morecambe - it's positively centrifugal! It's hard to think of many possible fixtures other than permutations of Doncaster, Mansfield and Notts County that wouldn't make anyone think 'oh bloody hell' at the prospect of 6:30 on a Sunday evening - if viewed from the perspective of the people who would actually want to go to it, and who support these clubs week in week out. The reverse fixture is Thursday evening. It might be that that's unavoidable* but to schedule the 'at the weekend' fixture for the Sunday evening is arrogant and disrespectful. Someone should have a word. * Our division finished a week earlier than they did: if they'd finished when we did, they could have had two weekend fixtures - at reasonable times. Lovely.
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Post by Colyton Gas. on May 14, 2017 16:34:41 GMT
FGR will be from the smallest town ever to have a FL side.Pop of Nailsworth under 6000.New stadium on its way too.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 16:41:21 GMT
FGR will be from the smallest town ever to have a FL side.Pop of Nailsworth under 6000.New stadium on its way too. I hope they fold.
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Post by Colyton Gas. on May 14, 2017 16:57:19 GMT
Brunton Park almost full.Police Horses here.Not seen that for a while.Great atmosphere.Hope we visit next season.Brill trip.
NB.90 minutes 3-3.What a game.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 17:20:33 GMT
FGR will be from the smallest town ever to have a FL side.Pop of Nailsworth under 6000.New stadium on its way too. I hope they fold. I like Nailsworth as a place. I used to like the idea that little Forest Green did well. I'm generally favourable towards greenery. I have no problem with vegetarianism. Sadly, though, I think the current incarnation of that football club is a bad thing. I wish them a speedy implosion.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 17:21:13 GMT
I like Nailsworth as a place. I used to like the idea that little Forest Green did well. I'm generally favourable towards greenery. I have no problem with vegetarianism. Sadly, though, I think the current incarnation of that football club is a bad thing. I wish them a speedy implosion. I agree 100%.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 17:46:00 GMT
I like Nailsworth as a place. I used to like the idea that little Forest Green did well. I'm generally favourable towards greenery. I have no problem with vegetarianism. Sadly, though, I think the current incarnation of that football club is a bad thing. I wish them a speedy implosion. I agree 100%. If nothing else, for the arrogance of saying that getting the club into the League was 'inevitable'. Not sure if the 4th tier version of FFP kicks in during the first season, but as soon as it does, unless he can drum up some support from somewhere, they have a problem Has anyone local even noticed? And that's when they are winning most weeks.
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Post by Rex on May 14, 2017 19:50:18 GMT
Less than 4000 at Blackpool. What's that all about?
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Post by Igitur on May 14, 2017 20:13:25 GMT
Less than 4000 at Blackpool. What's that all about? About average for them as there is a huge anti Oyston (the owners) boycott, which has carried over into the play offs.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 6:32:07 GMT
Less than 4000 at Blackpool. What's that all about? Most of them were from Luton. Massive solidarity from the Blackpool fans. I was talking to a group of them recently and they only go to away games now.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 6:34:47 GMT
Less than 4000 at Blackpool. What's that all about? About average for them as there is a huge anti Oyston (the owners) boycott, which has carried over into the play offs. Great to see Anwar Uddin in that video as well as support from Gashead "Steve."
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Post by Peter Parker on May 15, 2017 7:01:14 GMT
Less than 4000 at Blackpool. What's that all about? About average for them as there is a huge anti Oyston (the owners) boycott, which has carried over into the play offs. it's been going on a few seasons now hasn't it though.
Fair play to those sticking it out
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 7:25:09 GMT
About average for them as there is a huge anti Oyston (the owners) boycott, which has carried over into the play offs. it's been going on a few seasons now hasn't it though.
Fair play to those sticking it out
I think that this is the first season that the fans boycotted season tickets so attendances are way down this season and the Oystens have issued false figures to protect their egos.
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Post by Igitur on May 15, 2017 8:15:26 GMT
it's been going on a few seasons now hasn't it though.
Fair play to those sticking it out
I think that this is the first season that the fans boycotted season tickets so attendances are way down this season and the Oystens have issued false figures to protect their egos. Yes this has been going on for some time with Oyston suing fans and so on, but the boycott has really increased. I feel so so sorry for the fans, and also those of Orient etc, as they do not get to see their team, but this season it must have been worse as Blackpool's done well and made the play offs.
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