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Post by Igitur on May 16, 2017 8:27:40 GMT
Renaming something is typical of the modern nonsense whereby introducing a new name implies a new and better product. It's also typical of the 3 second attention span generation whereby using three letters makes it sound more modern.
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Post by warehamgas on May 16, 2017 8:28:42 GMT
But they have increased the prize money and most of the league 1 and league 2 clubs voted for it. They want their 30 pieces of silver! Glad to see we voted against it but until the other clubs do that it will continue. We can protest and vote with our feet as much as we like but until the clubs say no to it nothing will change. I said it before, it is up to the clubs to stop Harvey and his plans because he's not going to change. UTG!
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Post by Igitur on May 16, 2017 9:21:44 GMT
But they have increased the prize money and most of the league 1 and league 2 clubs voted for it. They want their 30 pieces of silver! Glad to see we voted against it but until the other clubs do that it will continue. We can protest and vote with our feet as much as we like but until the clubs say no to it nothing will change. I said it before, it is up to the clubs to stop Harvey and his plans because he's not going to change. UTG! True, and I agree. Although some clubs may have made money, some fixtures, including I think one of ours, made a loss. We are saddled with this format for another two years. Ultimately clubs have to come into line and do the league's bidding otherwise they pay for it further down the line. Man U and the like can field weakened sides in the Premier and FA Cup, but we get fined in a tuppenny-ha'penny trophy (as it has become, to many) for the same (yes yes I know we know the rules.)
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Post by warehamgas on May 16, 2017 11:02:02 GMT
On a broader issue one of the things that stands out to me, being of an older vintage, is the difference in quality in leadership we get now in the FA/ EFL. As GasMacc said oh for an Alan Hardaker to be leading it. With Harvey it seems to be all about presentation over substance, I'd be hard pressed to say what improvements have occurred under his leadership. Not everyone agreed with Alan Hardaker but he ran the FL in one of its most trying times, late 70s and 80s and did a good job, imo, when the odds were stacked against him. The Thatcherr government did not like football, Hillsborough, the Bradford fire, Heysel tragedy, identity cards were all issues that had to be dealt with.You might not have agreed but you knew he would fight tooth and nail for the FL clubs, all 92 then. Harvey would not have known how to deal with those issues. He deals with social media and puts some kind of spin on everything and tries to pretend everything is wonderful in the face of boycotts and protests and if a club is being run into the ground he denies it's anything to do with the EFL. Now I don't trust Harvey and Im not sure he represents the best interests of the 72 EFL clubs. I bet Blackpool and Leyton Orient fans would have something to say about what has been allowed to happen to them. But until the clubs vote against what he proposes then nothing will change. UTG!
ps rant over!
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Post by irishrover on May 18, 2017 2:21:27 GMT
Dear Sir, Am I alone in regretting the introduction of the term "EFL"? From 1888, the organisation was named "The Football League". It stayed that way, through two World Wars, for 128 years. What next? The founder of The Football League, William McGregor, to be henceforth known as BillyMac? In another complete lack of feeling for the integrity of the game, The Football League Chief Executive Shaun Harvey, said: "The new EFL name rightly emphasises the central role our clubs play at the heart of English professional football. In an increasingly challenging global sports market, it is absolutely essential that sports properties can project a modern identity that not only resonates with their regular audience but is also easily recognisable to a broader audience of potential fans, viewers and commercial partners. We believe the EFL name and brand will give our competitions an identity that is new and distinct, while at the same time retaining our unique heritage. As such, it will be something that all fans can identify with - whether they be young or old, at home or abroad".
I don't think it's Anglocentric arrogance to maintain the original name. It made me smile to think that other leagues had to include their nation's name in the title of their organisation, whereas we just knew what was meant by "The Football League". In coining "EFL", we've lost another piece of diversity in the headlong rush to uniformity and standardisation. Oh, for a latter-day Alan Hardaker! Yours in irritation, GasMacc1. Yes for some reason it has been decreed that sports leagues in the English speaking world must all be referred to in terms of meaningless 3 letter acronyms now. Bloody ridiculous.
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Post by DudeLebowski on May 18, 2017 8:27:04 GMT
Just keep subbing the keeper every game after 30 seconds & stick to the under 18's on.
Also hope no one shows next season. The crowd at the mem for the Yeovil game sounded embarrassing.
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Post by warehamgas on May 18, 2017 12:50:48 GMT
Did last year not teach them anything? Is it even remotely possible that 2/3's of clubs voted for it considering the losses that must have been made by all clubs? No, it didn't teach them a thing. But it should have taught us that despite boycotts and bad publicity Harvey and the EFL don't think twice about ignoring the views of fans and continuing to have this competition. The fault lies with the clubs. I am pleased that we voted against it but until there are more like-minded clubs that vote against it then it will continue. Harvey and the EFL know that if the lower league clubs are offered an increased pot of money to do it then there are enough clubs willing to sell out to them. To the PL it is crumbs that we are being offered but their response to the Accrington Chairman last week should be enough to let us know that if we don't do what they want then we know what to expect. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 13:19:48 GMT
Just to wazz on the whole thing a bit more and spoil the thrill of the draw...
This regionalisation and minimising of journey times thing defines at least part of the draw. It must be Plymouth Exeter and Yeovil. We must get Newport. As 'south' is taken care of, we presumably also get bloody FGR - Chelt and Swindon can go 'close' in a different direction (likely with eachother). Woop woop. As this pattern will broadly repeat every year that the same clubs are in it, how dull will that get? The only change is which 'Not that much better than us FC Reserves' we get.
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Post by irishrover on May 18, 2017 13:50:33 GMT
I'm personally massively disappointed that this competition is yet to transform English football. I fully believed that due to Reading Reserves having the opportunity to play an additional 3 games a year in front of one man and his dog (although the dog was there under duress) we'd have won 2 World Cups and produced half a dozen ballon d'or winners by now......
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Post by GasMacc1 on May 18, 2017 15:12:13 GMT
Just keep subbing the keeper every game after 30 seconds & stick to the under 18's on. Also hope no one shows next season. The crowd at the mem for the Yeovil game sounded embarrassing. Even in the Embarrassing Failing Leadership's own press release, there is woolly thinking: "Luton Town manager Nathan Jones said: “From a footballing perspective, the Checkatrade Trophy was a huge benefit to us as it gave senior players from the lower divisions the chance to play against a younger group from higher levels of the English game, but it also allowed us to pit our talented youngsters against Category One academies". 1. Why would a League 1 or League 2 manager find not just benefit, but "huge benefit", in senior players playing against a "younger group"? 2. Some clubs - including us - were fined for daring to put out players who hadn't previously appeared regularly in the first team. Perhaps we should have used the phrase "pitting our talented youngsters".
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Post by topman on May 18, 2017 15:39:30 GMT
Scabs and people chasing money win again then. 100% correct Harvey has a very chequered 'career' in football - like many that rise to the top of such associations it is all about creating a name for themselves by introducing something different in this case based purely on money as an inducement to win others over Then he can move on to some other position with 'look what I did' without understanding what the real fans feel Talk of doing this to improve the chances of national side is absolute crap - what can a technically superior young player gain from playing against less gifted opposition? He has ditched what was a good trophy for lower league clubs even if it would end up with a trip to the massive white and overpriced elephant that is called Wembley Like many others I have no intention of attending games as was the case last season
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 17:15:57 GMT
Just keep subbing the keeper every game after 30 seconds & stick to the under 18's on. Also hope no one shows next season. The crowd at the mem for the Yeovil game sounded embarrassing. Even in the Embarrassing Failing Leadership's own press release, there is woolly thinking: "Luton Town manager Nathan Jones said: “From a footballing perspective, the Checkatrade Trophy was a huge benefit to us as it gave senior players from the lower divisions the chance to play against a younger group from higher levels of the English game, but it also allowed us to pit our talented youngsters against Category One academies". 1. Why would a League 1 or League 2 manager find not just benefit, but "huge benefit", in senior players playing against a "younger group"? 2. Some clubs - including us - were fined for daring to put out players who hadn't previously appeared regularly in the first team. Perhaps we should have used the phrase "pitting our talented youngsters". Luton were also fined for the privilege of " pitting their talented youngsters" against other richer talented youngsters, even when they won the game. So either Nathan Jones is being ironic, he's forgotten the fine, or he's been given some sort of encouragement to say that!
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Post by kingswood Polak on May 20, 2017 22:08:58 GMT
Even in the Embarrassing Failing Leadership's own press release, there is woolly thinking: "Luton Town manager Nathan Jones said: “From a footballing perspective, the Checkatrade Trophy was a huge benefit to us as it gave senior players from the lower divisions the chance to play against a younger group from higher levels of the English game, but it also allowed us to pit our talented youngsters against Category One academies". 1. Why would a League 1 or League 2 manager find not just benefit, but "huge benefit", in senior players playing against a "younger group"? 2. Some clubs - including us - were fined for daring to put out players who hadn't previously appeared regularly in the first team. Perhaps we should have used the phrase "pitting our talented youngsters". Luton were also fined for the privilege of " pitting their talented youngsters" against other richer talented youngsters, even when they won the game. So either Nathan Jones is being ironic, he's forgotten the fine, or he's been given some sort of encouragement to say that! Wow. That's something I didn't know. How bloody stupid. How embarrassing stupid indeed.
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Post by Igitur on Feb 8, 2018 11:15:18 GMT
Shaun Harvey proves again his muddled thinking:
The EFL's chief executive "wanted" Lincoln City to beat Chelsea Under-21s in the EFL Trophy semi-final, saying "they are one of our clubs".
Shaun Harvey said the Imps' victory would be better for the competition.
Lincoln reached the final [where they will face Shrewsbury or Yeovil] after defeating Chelsea Under-21s 4-2 in a penalty shootout after drawing 1-1 on Tuesday night.
"I didn't want Chelsea's participation to take away from what our clubs are trying to achieve," he told BBC Sport.
The best way of getting an EFL side to Wembley is not to allow U21s in the Trophy at all.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2018 11:30:01 GMT
Shaun Harvey proves again his muddled thinking:
The EFL's chief executive "wanted" Lincoln City to beat Chelsea Under-21s in the EFL Trophy semi-final, saying "they are one of our clubs".
Shaun Harvey said the Imps' victory would be better for the competition.
Lincoln reached the final [where they will face Shrewsbury or Yeovil] after defeating Chelsea Under-21s 4-2 in a penalty shootout after drawing 1-1 on Tuesday night.
"I didn't want Chelsea's participation to take away from what our clubs are trying to achieve," he told BBC Sport.
The best way of getting an EFL side to Wembley is not to allow U21s in the Trophy at all. That's not so much about muddled thinking, more about thinking that his audience are idiots.
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 8, 2018 12:35:19 GMT
Having quickly scanned this thread. You realise it’s like Groundhog Day. Same old arguments, same old ***t from the EFL. The only thing that might be said now is if Harvey didn’t want Chelsea U21s to get to the final why did he invite them in? Rhetorical question by the way, I know why these teams are there, money. I’d say the sooner that someone delivers the last rites to this competition in its current format the better. However, I don’t expect the fans of Lincoln, Yeovil or Shrewsbury to agree with the chance of a Wembley visit in sight. Good luck to them but I suspect the attendance this year will be little more than half of last years. Whether that will affect what happens I don’t know, I suspect not. UTG!
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Post by irishrover on Feb 8, 2018 15:03:01 GMT
Having quickly scanned this thread. You realise it’s like Groundhog Day. Same old arguments, same old ***t from the EFL. The only thing that might be said now is if Harvey didn’t want Chelsea U21s to get to the final why did he invite them in? Rhetorical question by the way, I know why these teams are there, money. I’d say the sooner that someone delivers the last rites to this competition in its current format the better. However, I don’t expect the fans of Lincoln, Yeovil or Shrewsbury to agree with the chance of a Wembley visit in sight. Good luck to them but I suspect the attendance this year will be little more than half of last years. Whether that will affect what happens I don’t know, I suspect not. UTG! I think the best way of getting rid of the U21's from it at this stage is probably for one of them to get to the final and then the absurdity of having them play out in front of sea of empty seats at Wembley may finally become clear and get through to the short-sighted idiots who oversee the game in this country. Can't really see the mass ranks of pampered Premier League supporters getting up to watch their youth team play a final at Wembley against Port Vale!
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Feb 8, 2018 20:41:35 GMT
Agreed - that was actually such a fantastic moment that it almost made the whole farce worthwhile.
I was hoping it might lead to a domino effect of experimental tactics with manager's showing the competition the middle finger - playing the goalie up front for a bit a-la David James, reprising the WM formation, stationing all 11 players on the goal line etc.
WM won the World Cup for us (the formation, although GH was good.) TB helped: www.goal.com/en/news/11522/baku-2015/2015/01/29/8338942/tofiq-bahramov-the-story-of-footballs-most-famous-linesmanright no more, back to the thread. It didn’t though did it, quite the opposite. We were wingless wonders and essentially played an early form of 442. I would love to see WM, a team in heavy boots and a heavy ball, all a stone overweight and fags and beer and a pie meal before the game. We can finally put to rest that old football was just as good as modern. Any game I watch pre about 87ish is just painful to watch.
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Post by jets4 on Feb 8, 2018 21:05:31 GMT
Mr Stevens
You obviously didn't see -
13th October 1970 -Bristol Rovers v Norwich City - League Cup 3rd Round Replay
26th December 1973 - Bristol Rovers v Plymouth Argyle - Football League Division 3
Two absolutely barnstorming games.
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Post by Gregory Stevens on Feb 8, 2018 21:52:08 GMT
Mr Stevens You obviously didn't see - 13th October 1970 -Bristol Rovers v Norwich City - League Cup 3rd Round Replay 26th December 1973 - Bristol Rovers v Plymouth Argyle - Football League Division 3 Two absolutely barnstorming games. Yep, and the Nokia 32 10 was a great phone. :-)
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