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Post by mrbluesky on Dec 4, 2016 22:10:00 GMT
lousy turn out we must have crap fans easy win for barrow,much harder games for them in the conference
roos ok leadbitter ok j clarke rubbish lockyer rubbish hartley rubbish brown poor sinclair ok lines gutless,didnt have the courage to get on the ball o clarke rubbish gaffney good james little kid easily pushed aside subs,bodin rubbish harrison not great montano not great darrell clarke ,simple things up for gods sake,too many formations,changes and this seasons signings permanent or loan have failed to improve the team city fans laughing at us and why wouldnt they right now? we have come a long way since mansfield but today was utter crap
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Post by DudeLebowski on Dec 4, 2016 23:14:42 GMT
DC has said himself (what a lot of us have suggested recently) that some of this squad are at the end of the line. January and the summer will be a total clear out operation.
We are (in a way) being punished for the promise of contracts for last seasons promotion success. No way could DC have operated heavily in the transfer market with all but Parkes staying on.
Still, we will be fine and float around mid table until May with a big summer of movement in 2017.
Win badly needed against Bury to steady the ship.
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Post by mrbluesky on Dec 4, 2016 23:29:20 GMT
DC has said himself (what a lot of us have suggested recently) that some of this squad are at the end of the line. January and the summer will be a total clear out operation. We are (in a way) being punished for the promise of contracts for last seasons promotion success. No way could DC have operated heavily in the transfer market with all but Parkes staying on. Still, we will be fine and float around mid table until May with a big summer of movement in 2017. Win badly needed against Bury to steady the ship. sensible stuff,just so fed up not to be in 3rd round and i want dc to get back to basics
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 8:30:41 GMT
Looks like all the changes have finally caught up with us like they were always going to not knowing if you will be playing next match isn't good for team spirit we have better players than some of those that played today Clarke need's to pick his strongest 11 not that he knows who they are the supporters should be able to help him on that one and tinker around them gaffney is the only player putting in a shift at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 9:40:13 GMT
Looks like all the changes have finally caught up with us like they were always going to not knowing if you will be playing next match isn't good for team spirit we have better players than some of those that played today Clarke need's to pick his strongest 11 not that he knows who they are the supporters should be able to help him on that one and tinker around them gaffney is the only player putting in a shift at the moment. Are you genuinely suggesting supporters should have an input into team selection? In the name of Penelope Cruz,no!
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Post by gashead88 on Dec 5, 2016 9:43:19 GMT
DC has said himself (what a lot of us have suggested recently) that some of this squad are at the end of the line. January and the summer will be a total clear out operation. We are (in a way) being punished for the promise of contracts for last seasons promotion success. No way could DC have operated heavily in the transfer market with all but Parkes staying on. Still, we will be fine and float around mid table until May with a big summer of movement in 2017. Win badly needed against Bury to steady the ship. sensible stuff,just so fed up not to be in 3rd round and i want dc to get back to basics You'll feel even worse if Barrow draw a big team away in the draw tonight
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Post by severnbeachline on Dec 5, 2016 10:43:47 GMT
Crazy negativity on here imo.
A mistake has been made in offering everyone from last season a contract, this much has been acknowledged by DC who has said we will see changes and part ways with some familiar faces next month. You could argue that offering everyone a contract was a necessary evil as it would have given the squad a massive boost towards the business end of last season and gave us our first back-to-back promotion ever.
It's obviously very galling to go out to Barrow but it was also galling to go out of the FA Trophy to Bath and the cup last season to Chesham but does anyone actually care about those now? Not to mention the fact that we've already had a game against a big Premier League team this season.
Obviously the league's been s**t recently as well and I put that down to several players that have simply improved as much as they can in this short time. Last season when many were clamouring for big signings they proved they could step up, so it was sensible and right to give them the same chance this season. With this in mind surely it makes sense to wait until after January to lose our s**t? Were people really expecting triple promotion?
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Post by Alveston Gas on Dec 5, 2016 10:48:33 GMT
Personally feel the Summer signings were poor - where is Moore, regular for Port Vale & Crewe in L1 - rarely seen. Hartley a shadow of the player he was at Argyle. Boateng ditto but worse. Colkett not up to the physicality or pace of L1. Roberts - were is he? James not god enough for Peterborough! Keeper Roos wouldn't be playing if Mildy was fit - error after error!
Having to rely on lads who did it in the Conference and L2 like Sincs, Brown, Leads, J & O Clarke, Tom Locks, Taylor & Harrison - but even they need some help up 2 levels.
It will be a busy January window!
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Post by chelt_gas on Dec 5, 2016 11:05:04 GMT
Isn't it interesting how promotion can actually be not in the interests of many players who are not skillful enough to perform at a higher level. I bet some players rue promotion now as their work has become less secure!
Darrel war correct in rewarding all players contracts and for being upfront by stating that ability (or lack of) could lead to their disposal in the higher division.
The life of a lower league footballer is difficult.
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Post by chelt_gas on Dec 5, 2016 11:11:28 GMT
I have a theory about modern life. We’ve been sold the idea that consumer choice is always a good thing. More choice is better. Choice will make your life great. Choice will deliver ever greater happiness because buying stuff opens up the golden road to nirvana. Buy more, get more happy. I fundamentally disagree. Why? Because I was in a supermarket and they had – I kid thee not – 48 different olive oils from which to choose. 40-f******g-8. I counted them. How do you choose? As I’ve got older I’ve found such choice increasingly oppressive. I’m asked to keep choosing between electricity and gas suppliers, between banks, phone deals and dishwasher tablets. Half of life seems to be comprised of choosing between things. Basically, I want a little but not much choice. My generation promulgated the materialistic notions which now oppress you, especially if you’re in your teens and twenties. Sorry about that. We tried to buy our way to happiness and ended up more depressed and anxious. Greater resources did not make us happier, in fact they destroyed our peace of mind as it turned us from citizens into customers. And it’s just the same in football. Back in the day, a top-flight football club manager didn’t have the luxury of choice. Even big clubs just had 14 or 15 players and a youth team, and had they to make the best of it and I’m a big fan of making the best of things. Making the best of things makes you happier, and is an art in itself, an art which, at the top end of football, has all but died out. Got an international out injured? Just bring in another from the squad. Liverpool, Nottingham Forest and Aston Villa won leagues and European cups with a squad of 14 or 15 players. There was no rotation. You turned up and played even if you had recently had your kneecaps kicked off by an Albanian tractor worker in a difficult 1st round game against FK Dinamo Tirana. Several sides fielded players who were technically dead, others were held together with gaffer tape and superglue. Ah yes, those were the days, but they are not the days any more. But despite this, whenever a manager is going through a tough patch, one of the familiar refrains you’ll hear, especially on Soccer Saturday, is that the manager “doesn’t know his best team.” This is usually accompanied by wild-eyed staring and a look of astonishment in the eyes of a pundit who stills thinks it is 1988, seemingly unaware that the concept of knowing your best team is totally outmoded in an age of huge resources. I heard Jose Mourinho criticised for this, which seemed especially ludicrous. He’s got a 32-man squad, the vast majority of which are internationals. Of course he doesn’t know his best team, that’s because there is no best team. He can slice and dice it in so many different ways depending on who his opponents are and where their strengths lie. As a criticism, it holds no water, just as it holds no water to use it as a reason for a failing side. This ‘best team’ concept has gone. There’s no such thing. It’s often thrown at a manager as a criticism, as though he should know his best team, but it is totally outdated. Because footballers are low body fat athletes whose thighs get bruised by a stiff northeasterly breeze, it’s got to be a squad game today, due to frequent injuries. Vast income has bloated the resources and choices available at every top-flight club. The only manager who knows their best team is the one with only 11 players. Even if you notionally did know your best side, surely it would not remain constant. Form and fitness rise and fall all the time. I reckon the idea of making a best one to 11 list, as some sort of hierarchy, is a certain type of man’s idea of how to live life. The sort of men who always want to know what the best album is, the best car, the best girlfriend, the best rater of best things. For them, things must be rated and slated into a definitive ladder. These are the people who obsess about newspaper player ratings, and trawl statistics for conclusive proof of how good or bad a player is, always searching for absolutes, rather than accepting that in football, as in life, all things are relative, many aspects are metaphysical concepts that can’t be measured, and change is the only constant. Contrary to the “best eleven” notion, chopping and changing your team is not a sign of weakness. Remember when the likes of Claudio Ranieri and then Rafa Benitez used to be routinely criticised for changing the team every week? They were mocked for not knowing their best team and for somehow undermining team unity. Today, such actions are entirely commonplace and normal, and yet still a large swathe of the punditocracy can’t seem to get with the programme and are till stuck in the “you play your best 11, Jeff” mentality. I do understand the craving for a settled side. I would rather it was the same players in the same team for a whole season at a club. It gave life a cozy familiarity, and it’s still how it is in the lower leagues, of course. Having 32 players in a squad means you have less opportunity to build up a vicarious relationship with all of them, the way we once did. They seem less like people and more like products on a shelf. The fact some come and go and you never even see them play has eroded the fan-club relationship. As with olive oil in a supermarket, being able to choose from a huge amount of options has not made manager nor fans any more happy. But it is where we are. And to think that any manager should know their best 11 is as pointless thinking there’s a best olive oil. John Nicholson www.football365.com/news/play-your-best-xi-if-only-it-were-so-simple
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Post by Igitur on Dec 5, 2016 11:41:25 GMT
Personally feel the Summer signings were poor - where is Moore, regular for Port Vale & Crewe in L1 - rarely seen. Hartley a shadow of the player he was at Argyle. Boateng ditto but worse. Colkett not up to the physicality or pace of L1. Roberts - were is he? James not god enough for Peterborough! Keeper Roos wouldn't be playing if Mildy was fit - error after error! Having to rely on lads who did it in the Conference and L2 like Sincs, Brown, Leads, J & O Clarke, Tom Locks, Taylor & Harrison - but even they need some help up 2 levels. It will be a busy January window! I did tick the like box, but at the same time we owe so much to the squad for the Wembley day out and blocking Gloucester Road and it is unrealistic surely to be expecting promotion form now with effectively a Conference squad at the start of the season. The players brought in have shown some ability but then get 'rotated' where I feel longer runs would have improved them. We will need more than the January window and should look for a building season, which I would be happy with, and then move on in 2017-2018.
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Post by Peter Parker on Dec 5, 2016 12:20:59 GMT
Isn't it interesting how promotion can actually be not in the interests of many players who are not skillful enough to perform at a higher level. I bet some players rue promotion now as their work has become less secure! Darrel war correct in rewarding all players contracts and for being upfront by stating that ability (or lack of) could lead to their disposal in the higher division. The life of a lower league footballer is difficult. Do you have particular players in mind.
A lot of our squad has never really played at this level, so surely, it should represent a test to those players (especially the younger ones) as to whether they have the ability and/or hunger to succeed. It's not always about how much ability you have
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 13:10:31 GMT
I think the January window will be very difficult as it always is with very few quality players available.
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Post by mrbluesky on Dec 5, 2016 13:13:07 GMT
I have a theory about modern life. We’ve been sold the idea that consumer choice is always a good thing. More choice is better. Choice will make your life great. Choice will deliver ever greater happiness because buying stuff opens up the golden road to nirvana. Buy more, get more happy. I fundamentally disagree. Why? Because I was in a supermarket and they had – I kid thee not – 48 different olive oils from which to choose. 40-f******g-8. I counted them. How do you choose? As I’ve got older I’ve found such choice increasingly oppressive. I’m asked to keep choosing between electricity and gas suppliers, between banks, phone deals and dishwasher tablets. Half of life seems to be comprised of choosing between things. Basically, I want a little but not much choice. My generation promulgated the materialistic notions which now oppress you, especially if you’re in your teens and twenties. Sorry about that. We tried to buy our way to happiness and ended up more depressed and anxious. Greater resources did not make us happier, in fact they destroyed our peace of mind as it turned us from citizens into customers. And it’s just the same in football. Back in the day, a top-flight football club manager didn’t have the luxury of choice. Even big clubs just had 14 or 15 players and a youth team, and had they to make the best of it and I’m a big fan of making the best of things. Making the best of things makes you happier, and is an art in itself, an art which, at the top end of football, has all but died out. Got an international out injured? Just bring in another from the squad. Liverpool, Nottingham Forest and Aston Villa won leagues and European cups with a squad of 14 or 15 players. There was no rotation. You turned up and played even if you had recently had your kneecaps kicked off by an Albanian tractor worker in a difficult 1st round game against FK Dinamo Tirana. Several sides fielded players who were technically dead, others were held together with gaffer tape and superglue. Ah yes, those were the days, but they are not the days any more. But despite this, whenever a manager is going through a tough patch, one of the familiar refrains you’ll hear, especially on Soccer Saturday, is that the manager “doesn’t know his best team.” This is usually accompanied by wild-eyed staring and a look of astonishment in the eyes of a pundit who stills thinks it is 1988, seemingly unaware that the concept of knowing your best team is totally outmoded in an age of huge resources. I heard Jose Mourinho criticised for this, which seemed especially ludicrous. He’s got a 32-man squad, the vast majority of which are internationals. Of course he doesn’t know his best team, that’s because there is no best team. He can slice and dice it in so many different ways depending on who his opponents are and where their strengths lie. As a criticism, it holds no water, just as it holds no water to use it as a reason for a failing side. This ‘best team’ concept has gone. There’s no such thing. It’s often thrown at a manager as a criticism, as though he should know his best team, but it is totally outdated. Because footballers are low body fat athletes whose thighs get bruised by a stiff northeasterly breeze, it’s got to be a squad game today, due to frequent injuries. Vast income has bloated the resources and choices available at every top-flight club. The only manager who knows their best team is the one with only 11 players. Even if you notionally did know your best side, surely it would not remain constant. Form and fitness rise and fall all the time. I reckon the idea of making a best one to 11 list, as some sort of hierarchy, is a certain type of man’s idea of how to live life. The sort of men who always want to know what the best album is, the best car, the best girlfriend, the best rater of best things. For them, things must be rated and slated into a definitive ladder. These are the people who obsess about newspaper player ratings, and trawl statistics for conclusive proof of how good or bad a player is, always searching for absolutes, rather than accepting that in football, as in life, all things are relative, many aspects are metaphysical concepts that can’t be measured, and change is the only constant. Contrary to the “best eleven” notion, chopping and changing your team is not a sign of weakness. Remember when the likes of Claudio Ranieri and then Rafa Benitez used to be routinely criticised for changing the team every week? They were mocked for not knowing their best team and for somehow undermining team unity. Today, such actions are entirely commonplace and normal, and yet still a large swathe of the punditocracy can’t seem to get with the programme and are till stuck in the “you play your best 11, Jeff” mentality. I do understand the craving for a settled side. I would rather it was the same players in the same team for a whole season at a club. It gave life a cozy familiarity, and it’s still how it is in the lower leagues, of course. Having 32 players in a squad means you have less opportunity to build up a vicarious relationship with all of them, the way we once did. They seem less like people and more like products on a shelf. The fact some come and go and you never even see them play has eroded the fan-club relationship. As with olive oil in a supermarket, being able to choose from a huge amount of options has not made manager nor fans any more happy. But it is where we are. And to think that any manager should know their best 11 is as pointless thinking there’s a best olive oil. John Nicholson www.football365.com/news/play-your-best-xi-if-only-it-were-so-simplenice post but chelsea are picking the same team week in week at the moment and leicester won the league doing it last year. if your in the champions league its difficult to do this but we are not,its hard not to believe that the constant rotation and formation changes havnt damaged us this season.
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Post by Peter Parker on Dec 5, 2016 13:16:58 GMT
I have a theory about modern life. We’ve been sold the idea that consumer choice is always a good thing. More choice is better. Choice will make your life great. Choice will deliver ever greater happiness because buying stuff opens up the golden road to nirvana. Buy more, get more happy. I fundamentally disagree. Why? Because I was in a supermarket and they had – I kid thee not – 48 different olive oils from which to choose. 40-f******g-8. I counted them. How do you choose? As I’ve got older I’ve found such choice increasingly oppressive. I’m asked to keep choosing between electricity and gas suppliers, between banks, phone deals and dishwasher tablets. Half of life seems to be comprised of choosing between things. Basically, I want a little but not much choice. My generation promulgated the materialistic notions which now oppress you, especially if you’re in your teens and twenties. Sorry about that. We tried to buy our way to happiness and ended up more depressed and anxious. Greater resources did not make us happier, in fact they destroyed our peace of mind as it turned us from citizens into customers. And it’s just the same in football. Back in the day, a top-flight football club manager didn’t have the luxury of choice. Even big clubs just had 14 or 15 players and a youth team, and had they to make the best of it and I’m a big fan of making the best of things. Making the best of things makes you happier, and is an art in itself, an art which, at the top end of football, has all but died out. Got an international out injured? Just bring in another from the squad. Liverpool, Nottingham Forest and Aston Villa won leagues and European cups with a squad of 14 or 15 players. There was no rotation. You turned up and played even if you had recently had your kneecaps kicked off by an Albanian tractor worker in a difficult 1st round game against FK Dinamo Tirana. Several sides fielded players who were technically dead, others were held together with gaffer tape and superglue. Ah yes, those were the days, but they are not the days any more. But despite this, whenever a manager is going through a tough patch, one of the familiar refrains you’ll hear, especially on Soccer Saturday, is that the manager “doesn’t know his best team.” This is usually accompanied by wild-eyed staring and a look of astonishment in the eyes of a pundit who stills thinks it is 1988, seemingly unaware that the concept of knowing your best team is totally outmoded in an age of huge resources. I heard Jose Mourinho criticised for this, which seemed especially ludicrous. He’s got a 32-man squad, the vast majority of which are internationals. Of course he doesn’t know his best team, that’s because there is no best team. He can slice and dice it in so many different ways depending on who his opponents are and where their strengths lie. As a criticism, it holds no water, just as it holds no water to use it as a reason for a failing side. This ‘best team’ concept has gone. There’s no such thing. It’s often thrown at a manager as a criticism, as though he should know his best team, but it is totally outdated. Because footballers are low body fat athletes whose thighs get bruised by a stiff northeasterly breeze, it’s got to be a squad game today, due to frequent injuries. Vast income has bloated the resources and choices available at every top-flight club. The only manager who knows their best team is the one with only 11 players. Even if you notionally did know your best side, surely it would not remain constant. Form and fitness rise and fall all the time. I reckon the idea of making a best one to 11 list, as some sort of hierarchy, is a certain type of man’s idea of how to live life. The sort of men who always want to know what the best album is, the best car, the best girlfriend, the best rater of best things. For them, things must be rated and slated into a definitive ladder. These are the people who obsess about newspaper player ratings, and trawl statistics for conclusive proof of how good or bad a player is, always searching for absolutes, rather than accepting that in football, as in life, all things are relative, many aspects are metaphysical concepts that can’t be measured, and change is the only constant. Contrary to the “best eleven” notion, chopping and changing your team is not a sign of weakness. Remember when the likes of Claudio Ranieri and then Rafa Benitez used to be routinely criticised for changing the team every week? They were mocked for not knowing their best team and for somehow undermining team unity. Today, such actions are entirely commonplace and normal, and yet still a large swathe of the punditocracy can’t seem to get with the programme and are till stuck in the “you play your best 11, Jeff” mentality. I do understand the craving for a settled side. I would rather it was the same players in the same team for a whole season at a club. It gave life a cozy familiarity, and it’s still how it is in the lower leagues, of course. Having 32 players in a squad means you have less opportunity to build up a vicarious relationship with all of them, the way we once did. They seem less like people and more like products on a shelf. The fact some come and go and you never even see them play has eroded the fan-club relationship. As with olive oil in a supermarket, being able to choose from a huge amount of options has not made manager nor fans any more happy. But it is where we are. And to think that any manager should know their best 11 is as pointless thinking there’s a best olive oil. John Nicholson www.football365.com/news/play-your-best-xi-if-only-it-were-so-simplenice post but chelsea are picking the same team week in week at the moment and leicester won the league doing it last year. if your in the champions league its difficult to do this but we are not,its hard not to believe that the constant rotation and formation changes havnt damaged us this season.
but what do we call 'Damaged us' We are on a bad run currently and we need to improve. That is not in question, but it isn't like we are cut adrift at the bottom of the table
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Post by brizzle on Dec 5, 2016 16:23:10 GMT
I think the January window will be very difficult as it always is with very few quality players available.That's a fair point. But I believe that if we are in the market for recruitment, then the deal(s) are probably already done. It's a bit like Matty Taylor's move to Swansea that was unveiled on this forum quite recently. If my memory serves me well then our Matty is off to Swansea in the January window. The fee has already been agreed according to our ''source,'' who happens to be a BRFC director . . . allegedly. It all makes me more determined than ever to sit back and relax about it all. Que sera sera, as they say.
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Post by basel on Dec 5, 2016 16:30:38 GMT
As DC and others have said,looks like it's time to sign a few new players. This squad has been fantastic for Rovers and i imagine i'll wish those departing 'thanks and all the best'. Two points off play offs. Everything to play for.
Edit.With DC we've been brilliant in the league.Rubbish in the Cups.Did'nt we already know if we won the one game,we would play Chelsea? I do suspect,that at Rovers, there maybe a feeling (great or small) that Cup football gets in the way of League football. Maybe.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 16:50:27 GMT
I think the January window will be very difficult as it always is with very few quality players available.That's a fair point. But I believe that if we are in the market for recruitment, then the deal(s) are probably already done. It's a bit like Matty Taylor's move to Swansea that was unveiled on this forum quite recently. If my memory serves me well then our Matty is off to Swansea in the January window. The fee has already been agreed according to our ''source,'' who happens to be a BRFC director . . . allegedly. It all makes me more determined than ever to sit back and relax about it all. Que sera sera, as they say. Ken Masters is still blabbing then?
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Post by brizzle on Dec 5, 2016 17:11:11 GMT
That's a fair point. But I believe that if we are in the market for recruitment, then the deal(s) are probably already done. It's a bit like Matty Taylor's move to Swansea that was unveiled on this forum quite recently. If my memory serves me well then our Matty is off to Swansea in the January window. The fee has already been agreed according to our ''source,'' who happens to be a BRFC director . . . allegedly. It all makes me more determined than ever to sit back and relax about it all. Que sera sera, as they say. Ken Masters is still blabbing then? I just knew that we'd winkle him out.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Dec 5, 2016 18:22:21 GMT
DC has said himself (what a lot of us have suggested recently) that some of this squad are at the end of the line. January and the summer will be a total clear out operation. We are (in a way) being punished for the promise of contracts for last seasons promotion success. No way could DC have operated heavily in the transfer market with all but Parkes staying on. Still, we will be fine and float around mid table until May with a big summer of movement in 2017. Win badly needed against Bury to steady the ship. When Taylor leaves we could be in for a very bad time. Let's face it, he certainly looks like he's being protected for sale and thevrumours of unrest seem to be looking right. We certainly are not playing with the same fight and vigor as we did just a month ago. I am no doom monger but I am worried. It was never going to attract a big crowd but the barrow fans were a credit to their club. Its all gone pear right now. DC needs to show his mettle right now. It doesn't take much for a wobble to turn into a long run of not winning. We badly need a victory.
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