Rex
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Post by Rex on Oct 27, 2016 6:48:56 GMT
He didn't label all football fans cavemen, just 8% of them No, i think there are two ways to interpret Sutton's statement. Either, 8% of football fans are dictating, therefore all football fans are cavemen according to Sutton. Or, being generous, if only 8% of football fans are cavemen, and 8% of those are dictating, he really means 0.64% of football fans are dictating. (I think. Maths isn't my strong point). I'm not listening to the opinions of anyone born in 1982.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2016 6:49:34 GMT
No, i think there are two ways to interpret Sutton's statement. Either, 8% of football fans are dictating, therefore all football fans are cavemen according to Sutton. Or, being generous, if only 8% of football fans are cavemen, and 8% of those are dictating, he really means 0.64% of football fans are dictating. (I think. Maths isn't my strong point). I'm not listening to the opinions of anyone born in 1982.
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Post by chelt_gas on Oct 27, 2016 7:19:05 GMT
The reason this subject is quite topical is due to the football media wanting a player who's gay and thus will serve up tabloid inches for the next three years. The media have no motivation towards equality, they just want to create content that creates attention. They actually love inequality.
Remember gone is the era when newspapers are papers of news. We are in a world where attention is the currency, how many likes can a paper get to generate advertising.
The gay footballer (UK) is the next reality celebrity, whether they want it or not. The British audience loves a bit of voyeurism and the media believes that the general football supporter (of which there's millions) would not be able to either show their disgust at a gay footballer or, more likely, publicly preach their acceptance to a gay footballer to score a cheap moral point. Either way the gay footballer will equal an increase in readership so the quest is to snuff him out and hope he's got market appeal.
The statistics these surveys produce are meaningless. I think it actually makes an issue out of a non-issue. There's been plenty of gay footballers already, there's been plenty of footballers who have had gay experiences, there are even plenty of footballers who may have gay experiences in the future and just don't know it yet. The media are the ones that care most and are trying their hardest to create this sense that the football environment has huge barriers and that a gay footballer is as special as a ghost unicorn. In truth there may be the few meatheads that shout offence as their own mini-audience demands a demonstration of repulsion from natural intimacy but no adult will suppress aspects of their life if the overwhelming majority are the supportive or just don't care.
Put another way would the gay footballer be such an issue if there was no such thing as tabloids? In Australia we don't have tabloids and there's a few sportsman who are gay but are known as sportsmen. No one cares, there's more important things in life to devote our attention to.
If rovers had a gay player it would be an insult to that player to support him for any other reason that he's a rovers player. This whole topic will look ridiculous in 20 years time.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Oct 27, 2016 8:50:53 GMT
I couldn't care less whether players are heterosexual, gay, swingers or enjoy a bit of S&M but of course the PC world we live in demand that some of them are gay. Quite sad really. If we live in PC World, do we get discounts on laptops. Yes, but only on the ones that are pink
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Post by DudeLebowski on Oct 27, 2016 8:58:04 GMT
At least Gaschat are taking it well.....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2016 10:13:12 GMT
The reason this subject is quite topical is due to the football media wanting a player who's gay and thus will serve up tabloid inches for the next three years. The media have no motivation towards equality, they just want to create content that creates attention. They actually love inequality. Remember gone is the era when newspapers are papers of news. We are in a world where attention is the currency, how many likes can a paper get to generate advertising. The gay footballer (UK) is the next reality celebrity, whether they want it or not. The British audience loves a bit of voyeurism and the media believes that the general football supporter (of which there's millions) would not be able to either show their disgust at a gay footballer or, more likely, publicly preach their acceptance to a gay footballer to score a cheap moral point. Either way the gay footballer will equal an increase in readership so the quest is to snuff him out and hope he's got market appeal. The statistics these surveys produce are meaningless. I think it actually makes an issue out of a non-issue. There's been plenty of gay footballers already, there's been plenty of footballers who have had gay experiences, there are even plenty of footballers who may have gay experiences in the future and just don't know it yet. The media are the ones that care most and are trying their hardest to create this sense that the football environment has huge barriers and that a gay footballer is as special as a ghost unicorn. In truth there may be the few meatheads that shout offence as their own mini-audience demands a demonstration of repulsion from natural intimacy but no adult will suppress aspects of their life if the overwhelming majority are the supportive or just don't care. Put another way would the gay footballer be such an issue if there was no such thing as tabloids? In Australia we don't have tabloids and there's a few sportsman who are gay but are known as sportsmen. No one cares, there's more important things in life to devote our attention to. If rovers had a gay player it would be an insult to that player to support him for any other reason that he's a rovers player. This whole topic will look ridiculous in 20 years time. What a superb post. Have to laugh at previous posts suggesting that being homosexual is a lifestyle 'choice', it's no more a choice than having brown hair or being right handed. You don't wake up one morning, happily married to a Lady and think to yourself, do you know what, I think I'll give this up and try being gay for a while.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 27, 2016 10:16:02 GMT
The reason this subject is quite topical is due to the football media wanting a player who's gay and thus will serve up tabloid inches for the next three years. The media have no motivation towards equality, they just want to create content that creates attention. They actually love inequality. Remember gone is the era when newspapers are papers of news. We are in a world where attention is the currency, how many likes can a paper get to generate advertising. The gay footballer (UK) is the next reality celebrity, whether they want it or not. The British audience loves a bit of voyeurism and the media believes that the general football supporter (of which there's millions) would not be able to either show their disgust at a gay footballer or, more likely, publicly preach their acceptance to a gay footballer to score a cheap moral point. Either way the gay footballer will equal an increase in readership so the quest is to snuff him out and hope he's got market appeal. The statistics these surveys produce are meaningless. I think it actually makes an issue out of a non-issue. There's been plenty of gay footballers already, there's been plenty of footballers who have had gay experiences, there are even plenty of footballers who may have gay experiences in the future and just don't know it yet. The media are the ones that care most and are trying their hardest to create this sense that the football environment has huge barriers and that a gay footballer is as special as a ghost unicorn. In truth there may be the few meatheads that shout offence as their own mini-audience demands a demonstration of repulsion from natural intimacy but no adult will suppress aspects of their life if the overwhelming majority are the supportive or just don't care. Put another way would the gay footballer be such an issue if there was no such thing as tabloids? In Australia we don't have tabloids and there's a few sportsman who are gay but are known as sportsmen. No one cares, there's more important things in life to devote our attention to. If rovers had a gay player it would be an insult to that player to support him for any other reason that he's a rovers player. This whole topic will look ridiculous in 20 years time. What a superb post. Have to laugh at previous posts suggesting that being homosexual is a lifestyle 'choice', it's no more a choice than having brown hair or being right handed. You don't wake up one morning, happily married to a Lady and think to yourself, do you know what, I think I'll give this up and try being gay for a while. Wish my missus would for just one night..
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2016 10:33:14 GMT
What a superb post. Have to laugh at previous posts suggesting that being homosexual is a lifestyle 'choice', it's no more a choice than having brown hair or being right handed. You don't wake up one morning, happily married to a Lady and think to yourself, do you know what, I think I'll give this up and try being gay for a while. Wish my missus would for just one night.. You want your wife to be homosexual?
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 27, 2016 11:05:24 GMT
Wish my missus would for just one night.. You want your wife to be homosexual? As a 'choice', one night only, jvc on standby..
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2016 11:15:26 GMT
You want your wife to be homosexual? As a 'choice', one night only, jvc on standby.. Odd man.
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Post by faggotygas on Oct 27, 2016 12:17:28 GMT
He didn't label all football fans cavemen, just 8% of them No, i think there are two ways to interpret Sutton's statement. Either, 8% of football fans are dictating, therefore all football fans are cavemen according to Sutton. Or, being generous, if only 8% of football fans are cavemen, and 8% of those are dictating, he really means 0.64% of football fans are dictating. (I think. Maths isn't my strong point). Thank you!
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Peter Parker
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Post by Peter Parker on Oct 27, 2016 12:49:35 GMT
If 8% (or whatever figure) wanted to stay away that's their prerogative. But staying away would be 100 times better than 1 person staying and shouting Homophobic abuse
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Post by Foran for England on Oct 27, 2016 14:31:35 GMT
I just want us to sign a ghost unicorn now, sod human players regardless of their preferences.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 27, 2016 15:11:04 GMT
As a 'choice', one night only, jvc on standby.. Odd man. Why, thankyou..
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Post by bs14gas on Oct 27, 2016 16:50:26 GMT
You want your wife to be homosexual? As a 'choice', one night only, jvc on standby.. 'JVC' shocking. Has to be Sony!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2016 23:12:07 GMT
The reason this subject is quite topical is due to the football media wanting a player who's gay and thus will serve up tabloid inches for the next three years. The media have no motivation towards equality, they just want to create content that creates attention. They actually love inequality. Remember gone is the era when newspapers are papers of news. We are in a world where attention is the currency, how many likes can a paper get to generate advertising. The gay footballer (UK) is the next reality celebrity, whether they want it or not. The British audience loves a bit of voyeurism and the media believes that the general football supporter (of which there's millions) would not be able to either show their disgust at a gay footballer or, more likely, publicly preach their acceptance to a gay footballer to score a cheap moral point. Either way the gay footballer will equal an increase in readership so the quest is to snuff him out and hope he's got market appeal. The statistics these surveys produce are meaningless. I think it actually makes an issue out of a non-issue. There's been plenty of gay footballers already, there's been plenty of footballers who have had gay experiences, there are even plenty of footballers who may have gay experiences in the future and just don't know it yet. The media are the ones that care most and are trying their hardest to create this sense that the football environment has huge barriers and that a gay footballer is as special as a ghost unicorn. In truth there may be the few meatheads that shout offence as their own mini-audience demands a demonstration of repulsion from natural intimacy but no adult will suppress aspects of their life if the overwhelming majority are the supportive or just don't care. Put another way would the gay footballer be such an issue if there was no such thing as tabloids? In Australia we don't have tabloids and there's a few sportsman who are gay but are known as sportsmen. No one cares, there's more important things in life to devote our attention to. If rovers had a gay player it would be an insult to that player to support him for any other reason that he's a rovers player. This whole topic will look ridiculous in 20 years time. What a superb post. Have to laugh at previous posts suggesting that being homosexual is a lifestyle 'choice', it's no more a choice than having brown hair or being right handed. You don't wake up one morning, happily married to a Lady and think to yourself, do you know what, I think I'll give this up and try being gay for a while. My brother in law did,after twenty years of marriage and two children,f.cked my nepthews head up for quite some time. Obviously he was living a lie with my sister.She handled it ok and they both get on well now,his boyfriend came to their daughters wedding, tragically my nepthew is dead and never really made his peace with his father.
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Post by shakes on Oct 28, 2016 1:42:05 GMT
What a superb post. Have to laugh at previous posts suggesting that being homosexual is a lifestyle 'choice', it's no more a choice than having brown hair or being right handed. You don't wake up one morning, happily married to a Lady and think to yourself, do you know what, I think I'll give this up and try being gay for a while. My brother in law did,after twenty years of marriage and two children,f.cked my nepthews head up for quite some time. Obviously he was living a lie with my sister.She handled it ok and they both get on well now,his boyfriend came to their daughters wedding, tragically my nepthew is dead and never really made his peace with his father. That's really tragic news for everyone involved. Forum posts nearly always talk about wider matters, experiences and opinions related to aspects of the original post. I think society will evolve, if it isn't already, whereby people aren't tied to a sexual persuasion for the whole of their life. At present, people are generally labelled straight or one of LGB or T (pardon me should the acronym has now been extended by a few more letters) however society may define sexuality as both a choice and natural persuasion that may be time dependent and not defining of ones choice or instinct for their entire life. This is just one reason why the notion of coaxing footballers to 'come out' seems unnecessary and sometimes inaccurate as they may not want to define themselves as gay forever but may be curious or of that persuasion for a period of time. Heck, I've been with some horrors in the past which, at the time, satisfied a lustful desire (much like a kebab feels great at 2am on a Saturday morning but not at any other time in the week). In a previous life Ive erroneously came out as a vegetarian, liberal democrat, kula shaker fan, regular gym goer, alien conspiracy theorist and a baker - none of which I am today but I could go back to any of them in the future. Well, maybe liberal democrat is taking it too far!!!
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Post by interceptor on Oct 28, 2016 8:51:23 GMT
I wish players felt comfortable enough to feel free to divulge their sexuality, if that were what they wanted to do. I know plenty of gay people who have never actually expressed their sexuality because they don't feel the need. How many of go round explaining to our colleagues, suppliers, customers etc that we are heterosexual (or whatever) and really proud of it? Why would anyone want to be known as a gay footballer. They are a footballer and their sexual preference is down to them.
The more difficult bit is the fact some fans, and I suspect more than 8%, who are not in the least bit homophobic! will shout something abusive at an an apposing player if they were gay. Same as if they were short, fat, tall, thin........Jon Parkin, when playing for Forrest Green, got some pie related shouts from me. I don't consider myself fataphobic, I just wanted to rile him so he performed poorly. I am sorry about that mr Parkin. What I am saying is, regardless of what is done to promote the ease of declaring your sexuality as a footballer, until a number of players come out and homophobia then becomes as taboo on the terraces as racist remarks, nothing will change for the players.
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