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Post by Bridgeman on Jun 5, 2016 19:53:15 GMT
What a great game between the two adversaries Glos v Somerset.
After a great start by Somerset to their innings it looked as if they would win comfortably and then Glos made a glorious fightback to come within a whisker of beating them but well done to Overton and Gronewald (sorry that might be spelt wrong !) to produce a last wicket stand to see Somerset over the line with two balls to spare....phew !
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 22:06:04 GMT
You make it sound like Glos were unlucky, they completely threw it away!! Somerset put 61 on for the tenth wicket. Well played them, but surely only Glos could lose in that fashion!
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Post by irishrover on Jun 5, 2016 22:47:58 GMT
You make it sound like Glos were unlucky, they completely threw it away!! Somerset put 61 on for the tenth wicket. Well played them, but surely only Glos could lose in that fashion! To be honest that's the second time in a week Somerset have won with a last wicked partnership. They do have genuine depth in their batting lineup - I don't know much about Groenewald as a batsmen but Jamie Overton wouldn't be batting 10 in very many teams - he's a very dangerous hitter. |
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Post by strung out on Jun 6, 2016 9:32:52 GMT
You make it sound like Glos were unlucky, they completely threw it away!! Somerset put 61 on for the tenth wicket. Well played them, but surely only Glos could lose in that fashion! The only other team who could choke in that fashion is Somerset. |
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Post by Rex on Jun 6, 2016 16:52:30 GMT
You make it sound like Glos were unlucky, they completely threw it away!! Somerset put 61 on for the tenth wicket. Well played them, but surely only Glos could lose in that fashion! It's what we do best  |
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Post by warehamgas on Jun 12, 2016 19:45:46 GMT
Mind you we have made a speciality of last wicket finishes this season and the one against Surrey in the championship was very important. We have made a good start in this competition but I have watched Somerset too often over the years fall away or throw matches away from winning positions. This year though we have a very good batting line up and you are correct we bat very deeply and all our players can handle a bat. Tim Groenwald is a very good number 11 and both Overtons can hit a ball very competently at a fast rate. Our bowlers are ok. I think Lewis Gregory and the Overtons are on the radar of the England selectors for the one day competitions. Bowling on the Taunton wicket is a bit demoralising for them but it does teach them line and length ....or else! It looks unlikely that Gloucestershire will repeat their heroics from last year in this competition which is a shame. Feel sorry for Gareth Roderick, captaining and keeping wicket in the championship is a big job esp with a youngish team. Good luck to him.
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Post by warehamgas on Jun 12, 2016 19:46:20 GMT
You make it sound like Glos were unlucky, they completely threw it away!! Somerset put 61 on for the tenth wicket. Well played them, but surely only Glos could lose in that fashion! The only other team who could choke in that fashion is Somerset. And we have done it many times!! |
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Post by irishrover on Jun 16, 2016 15:24:10 GMT
Mind you we have made a speciality of last wicket finishes this season and the one against Surrey in the championship was very important. We have made a good start in this competition but I have watched Somerset too often over the years fall away or throw matches away from winning positions. This year though we have a very good batting line up and you are correct we bat very deeply and all our players can handle a bat. Tim Groenwald is a very good number 11 and both Overtons can hit a ball very competently at a fast rate. Our bowlers are ok. I think Lewis Gregory and the Overtons are on the radar of the England selectors for the one day competitions. Bowling on the Taunton wicket is a bit demoralising for them but it does teach them line and length ....or else! It looks unlikely that Gloucestershire will repeat their heroics from last year in this competition which is a shame. Feel sorry for Gareth Roderick, captaining and keeping wicket in the championship is a big job esp with a youngish team. Good luck to him. I think the one day competition is a bit of crapshoot to be honest. The games are played in such short bursts that so much is dependent on luck with the weather and short term form. I think that's partly why Glos were able to defy the odds a bit last year although they were nicely balanced for that competition. Not sure the luck has gone their way this time. T20 feels a bit more meritocratic to me and in that Glos are just underpowered. So I think prioritising the Championship makes sense for them as they are right in the hunt. Somerset have had a decent season but the question is whether they are capable of mounting an actual challenge in any of them. It could be another one of those seasons where they finish 4/5th in the Championship and get Q-Finals of the other 2 competitions. Getting to finals day looks a good bet for them. |
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Post by warehamgas on Jun 16, 2016 16:46:24 GMT
To be honest Irish if Somerset did do that I would be delighted. I always feel the Championship is our priority and that would be a successful season. I know what you mean about the one day cup, results seem all over the place so we might scrape in with a bit of luck. That Lancs v Yorkshire match was incredible and must have been unexpected. So far I've seen all Somerset home 4 day games and will be at the Rose Bowl for the Hampshire match but haven't been able to get to any one day matches so far. Having been to every 20/20 Finals day with Somerset I don't seem to have the same enthusiasm as I do for 4 day cricket. But all the tables for the one day competitions seem very close so as the end gets nearer there may be some very good cricket played.
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Post by irishrover on Jun 17, 2016 11:08:30 GMT
To be honest Irish if Somerset did do that I would be delighted. I always feel the Championship is our priority and that would be a successful season. I know what you mean about the one day cup, results seem all over the place so we might scrape in with a bit of luck. That Lancs v Yorkshire match was incredible and must have been unexpected. So far I've seen all Somerset home 4 day games and will be at the Rose Bowl for the Hampshire match but haven't been able to get to any one day matches so far. Having been to every 20/20 Finals day with Somerset I don't seem to have the same enthusiasm as I do for 4 day cricket. But all the tables for the one day competitions seem very close so as the end gets nearer there may be some very good cricket played. I was at the Lancs - Yorks game and it was inexplicable. I thought Yorkshire had a par score or perhaps a bit better - scores are generally lower at Old Trafford but they were right over on one side of the square so there was a short boundary in play. Lancs then batted as if they wanted to get off to watch the football at 8PM! It was clearly turning big time for Rashid and Carver but that doesn't really explain why the 3 Lancs spinners couldn't extract the same purchase. Lancs are quite clearly not prioritising the One Day Cup. Their bowling lineup was very underpowered- particularly the seam attack. The top division of the Championship looks incredibly tight this year - Somerset could definitely get themselves in the hunt there. |
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Post by warehamgas on Jun 17, 2016 12:48:43 GMT
Yes, it's very strange. I think Lancs will be prioritising the Championship . They are top and have won 2 matches by an innings and seem to be scoring heavily, only scoring poorly in their defeat to Yorkshire. Perhaps they are giving other players a chance to get some form knowing that they may be needed once the 4-day matches start again. They seem to be a team who will get results, only having 1 draw compared to 4/5/6 draws by the other teams. Mind you as you say the whole table is tight from 50 ish points up to 88, that's not much of a range and Somerset in 5th are only 8 points behind. It could be a very exciting Championship this year. When you have a strip so far on one side of the playing wicket it always seems to mess with one of the teams. But you saying that is quite a coincidence because in our first home 4-day match against Lancs I was talking to some Lancashire supporters at Taunton and they had been sat in our new stand on days 1 and 2 but we're talking to me at the benches on Gimblett Hill. They were complaining about the new stand saying that although at one end they couldn't get right behind the bowlers arm because the wicket being used was off to one side. Which was strange for the first home match of the season. That wasn't apparent from where I was sat but they said the view was better from ground level!
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Post by irishrover on Jun 17, 2016 13:29:26 GMT
Yes, it's very strange. I think Lancs will be prioritising the Championship . They are top and have won 2 matches by an innings and seem to be scoring heavily, only scoring poorly in their defeat to Yorkshire. Perhaps they are giving other players a chance to get some form knowing that they may be needed once the 4-day matches start again. They seem to be a team who will get results, only having 1 draw compared to 4/5/6 draws by the other teams. Mind you as you say the whole table is tight from 50 ish points up to 88, that's not much of a range and Somerset in 5th are only 8 points behind. It could be a very exciting Championship this year. When you have a strip so far on one side of the playing wicket it always seems to mess with one of the teams. But you saying that is quite a coincidence because in our first home 4-day match against Lancs I was talking to some Lancashire supporters at Taunton and they had been sat in our new stand on days 1 and 2 but we're talking to me at the benches on Gimblett Hill. They were complaining about the new stand saying that although at one end they couldn't get right behind the bowlers arm because the wicket being used was off to one side. Which was strange for the first home match of the season. That wasn't apparent from where I was sat but they said the view was better from ground level! To be honest that is something has bothered me about the reconfiguration of Taunton too. If you're not a member it's now quite difficult to get a seat behind the bowlers arm. I used to sit on the theatre seats in the two-tiered stand at the old pavillion and I honestly don't think there was a better vantage to watch professional sport in the whole country. I accept that Somerset needed to develop but I hope once the rebuild is completed there will be somewhere non-members can go and have a similar world class view. I think the same about the Jessop's stand at Nevil Road. The bizarre thing about Wednesday's game at Old Trafford is that not only did they have the pitch right on the edge of the square but the short boundary was in front of a stand that wasn't open so there was no one in it. The result was that batsmen were peppering that stand with 6's but there was no one there to throw it back - cue the bizarre sight of first class cricketers having to go off in groups to look for the ball! Never seen that before at professional level. |
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Post by warehamgas on Jun 17, 2016 16:58:13 GMT
I usually sit in the benches under the big scoreboard. I do that because I used to sit in the same old cinema seats that you mentioned. The benches are in the same position, albeit at ground level now. The cinema seats came from the old Gaiety Cinema I think that used to be right by Taunton Station, about 40 years ago! You are right, the view from that old pavilion was one of the best in cricket. You can use the new pavilion in Taunton as a non member, everyone can use the new ground floor coffee shop and I'm pretty sure non members can sit in the new pavilion either tier for County Championship matches. Although I think its members only for one day matches on the middle and upper tiers but I know the website has details about where members and non members can sit. As I haven't sat there yet don't know what the views like. I suspect it should be ok when the playing strip is central.
I think we must be a bizarre group of cricket followers because although we get very good crowds for the one day cricket and nearly always sell out for 20/20 at Taunton, when I see some of the bigger grounds for 20/20 they are not so full. Yet for Championship cricket Somerset and Taunton get very good crowds which seems completely against what happens the world over, very strange. There's nothing worse than having a great one day match in front of a sparsely populated ground.
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 8, 2016 8:40:26 GMT
Have seen the last two Somerset 50 overs matches against Sussex and Hampshire and have been very impressed with how Somerset have recovered from losing positions in both to win both matches. Lower order are capable with the bat and our bowlers don't give anything away. Now we only have to do the same against Worcestershire and then Warks / Essex to get to final. (Only!!) We seem to be a very hard team to beat, except in 20/20 when any team can beat us, in the 50 over and Championship. I know most on here will be Gloucestershire fans and will probably dislike Somerset but as a Somerset fan wouldn't it be good if both Gloucs (20/20) and Somerset won things this year?
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Post by jackthegas on Aug 9, 2016 8:59:01 GMT
Have seen the last two Somerset 50 overs matches against Sussex and Hampshire and have been very impressed with how Somerset have recovered from losing positions in both to win both matches. Lower order are capable with the bat and our bowlers don't give anything away. Now we only have to do the same against Worcestershire and then Warks / Essex to get to final. (Only!!) We seem to be a very hard team to beat, except in 20/20 when any team can beat us, in the 50 over and Championship. I know most on here will be Gloucestershire fans and will probably dislike Somerset but as a Somerset fan wouldn't it be good if both Gloucs (20/20) and Somerset won things this year? I'm a Gloucestershire fan living in Worcester so come on you pears! Worcester are a really talented 50 over side. Brett D'Olivera has developed into a really good white ball leggy and Joe Leach usually seems to make something happen whenever I see him bowl. They have a plethora of good young batsme too and that is their strength (as always seems to be the way with Worcs; Hick and Solanki still give me nightmares!) I saw Tom Fell make an exceptional hundred not out against Lancashire a few weeks ago and Joe Clarke and Tom Kohler-Cadmore are exciting prospects too. I think Kyle Abbott is on international duty now though so that will help Somerset. What's happened to the pitches at Taunton recently wareham? The Championship game against Durham suggested it was a bit of a minefield and I read that Jack Leach took 9 wickets. The one dayer I saw on the TV recently too, in which Tom Abell scored a hundred, was much slower and lower and harder to score on than normal too. Is it just the time of he year or a bit of a ploy to produce some result pitches given that wins have been so hard to come by this season? |
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Post by irishrover on Aug 9, 2016 12:15:14 GMT
Have seen the last two Somerset 50 overs matches against Sussex and Hampshire and have been very impressed with how Somerset have recovered from losing positions in both to win both matches. Lower order are capable with the bat and our bowlers don't give anything away. Now we only have to do the same against Worcestershire and then Warks / Essex to get to final. (Only!!) We seem to be a very hard team to beat, except in 20/20 when any team can beat us, in the 50 over and Championship. I know most on here will be Gloucestershire fans and will probably dislike Somerset but as a Somerset fan wouldn't it be good if both Gloucs (20/20) and Somerset won things this year? Absolutely - nothing would make me happier than a Westcountry cleansweep! I would love it if Somerset won the Championship and the One Day cup while Gloucs won promotion and the T20. I think the Somerset double is the more likely of the 2 to occur though. I like your route in the one day competition - home advantage matters. It strikes me anyone could win it in the Championship really provided the long awaited Yorkshire surge fails to materialise. I still quite like Gloucs chances of promotion despite the dissapointing slip up v Leicester. I'm less convinced about them as a T20 side - especially looking at who is left and how beefed up some of these sides are. I saw Notts beat Essex last night - that was some mighty fine T20 bowling from Mullaney (sp?) and Tahir. If you have that plus Broad, Plus Patel, Plus Ball, Plus Gurney that's a pretty fearsome lineup to score against. Still, you get to finals day and who knows. I was there when Gloucs upset a powerful Lancs team in the 2007 and then Carl Greenidge gave us nightmare's for the rest of our lives..... |
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Post by jackthegas on Aug 9, 2016 12:27:03 GMT
Have seen the last two Somerset 50 overs matches against Sussex and Hampshire and have been very impressed with how Somerset have recovered from losing positions in both to win both matches. Lower order are capable with the bat and our bowlers don't give anything away. Now we only have to do the same against Worcestershire and then Warks / Essex to get to final. (Only!!) We seem to be a very hard team to beat, except in 20/20 when any team can beat us, in the 50 over and Championship. I know most on here will be Gloucestershire fans and will probably dislike Somerset but as a Somerset fan wouldn't it be good if both Gloucs (20/20) and Somerset won things this year? Absolutely - nothing would make me happier than a Westcountry cleansweep! I would love it if Somerset won the Championship and the One Day cup while Gloucs won promotion and the T20. I think the Somerset double is the more likely of the 2 to occur though. I like your route in the one day competition - home advantage matters. It strikes me anyone could win it in the Championship really provided the long awaited Yorkshire surge fails to materialise. I still quite like Gloucs chances of promotion despite the dissapointing slip up v Leicester. I'm less convinced about them as a T20 side - especially looking at who is left and how beefed up some of these sides are. I saw Notts beat Essex last night - that was some mighty fine T20 bowling from Mullaney (sp?) and Tahir. If you have that plus Broad, Plus Patel, Plus Ball, Plus Gurney that's a pretty fearsome lineup to score against. Still, you get to finals day and who knows. I was there when Gloucs upset a powerful Lancs team in the 2007 and then Carl Greenidge gave us nightmare's for the rest of our lives..... I saw the game last night too. I really don't like Notts (Steven Mullaney aside). The Surrey of the Midlands. That is all I have to add. |
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Post by irishrover on Aug 9, 2016 12:41:06 GMT
Absolutely - nothing would make me happier than a Westcountry cleansweep! I would love it if Somerset won the Championship and the One Day cup while Gloucs won promotion and the T20. I think the Somerset double is the more likely of the 2 to occur though. I like your route in the one day competition - home advantage matters. It strikes me anyone could win it in the Championship really provided the long awaited Yorkshire surge fails to materialise. I still quite like Gloucs chances of promotion despite the dissapointing slip up v Leicester. I'm less convinced about them as a T20 side - especially looking at who is left and how beefed up some of these sides are. I saw Notts beat Essex last night - that was some mighty fine T20 bowling from Mullaney (sp?) and Tahir. If you have that plus Broad, Plus Patel, Plus Ball, Plus Gurney that's a pretty fearsome lineup to score against. Still, you get to finals day and who knows. I was there when Gloucs upset a powerful Lancs team in the 2007 and then Carl Greenidge gave us nightmare's for the rest of our lives..... I saw the game last night too. I really don't like Notts (Steven Mullaney aside). The Surrey of the Midlands. That is all I have to add. I know - I think that's quite a common sentiment. Can't really disagree with it to be honest except to say that I was a member at Notts when I was at Uni there and retain a softspot for them mainly because Trent Bridge is an amazing place to watch cricket. I agree that it's hard not to like Mullaney - there's someone who came up the hard way but the rest of their squad and depth has largely been built off the back of pilfering from other sides in the East Midlands and spending silly money. Funny thing is though that 15 years ago they were basically broke and had no star names at all. When I first started going there they were a deeply unfashionable county and Leicester was considered the powerhouse team in that area - strange how things change. Notts bowled well last night but Essex really folded badly - the Ryder dismissal just seemed to suck all the life out of them. |
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Post by jackthegas on Aug 9, 2016 13:59:56 GMT
I saw the game last night too. I really don't like Notts (Steven Mullaney aside). The Surrey of the Midlands. That is all I have to add. I know - I think that's quite a common sentiment. Can't really disagree with it to be honest except to say that I was a member at Notts when I was at Uni there and retain a softspot for them mainly because Trent Bridge is an amazing place to watch cricket. I agree that it's hard not to like Mullaney - there's someone who came up the hard way but the rest of their squad and depth has largely been built off the back of pilfering from other sides in the East Midlands and spending silly money. Funny thing is though that 15 years ago they were basically broke and had no star names at all. When I first started going there they were a deeply unfashionable county and Leicester was considered the powerhouse team in that area - strange how things change. Notts bowled well last night but Essex really folded badly - the Ryder dismissal just seemed to suck all the life out of them. Yeh once Ryder got out I thought Essex's game management (horrible term, sorry!) was awful. Browne and Westley just needed to push and run hard for a few overs and try and score at 6 or 7 an over to get them within range so that the likes of Zaidi and Napier could have a whack. Instead they seemed to try and be a bit too clever and the pressure built and then they panicked. Instead of trying to tick over for a bit just to get things going again they tried to hit it even harder and lost wickets. Why Zaidi batted ahead of Bopara I don't know but I think that's classic Ravi, failing to influence a big game when his side needed him. The most frustrating player of his generation I think. Back to Notts and Will Gidman's signing was the one that really did it for me. Signed to the potential detriment to players of their own making like Ball, Wood and even Fletcher. In a way I'm glad it didn't work out. It was just a stupid signing. They didn't even need his batting as their middle order was renowned for getting them out of trouble when he signed. |
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Post by irishrover on Aug 9, 2016 14:17:09 GMT
I know - I think that's quite a common sentiment. Can't really disagree with it to be honest except to say that I was a member at Notts when I was at Uni there and retain a softspot for them mainly because Trent Bridge is an amazing place to watch cricket. I agree that it's hard not to like Mullaney - there's someone who came up the hard way but the rest of their squad and depth has largely been built off the back of pilfering from other sides in the East Midlands and spending silly money. Funny thing is though that 15 years ago they were basically broke and had no star names at all. When I first started going there they were a deeply unfashionable county and Leicester was considered the powerhouse team in that area - strange how things change. Notts bowled well last night but Essex really folded badly - the Ryder dismissal just seemed to suck all the life out of them. Yeh once Ryder got out I thought Essex's game management (horrible term, sorry!) was awful. Browne and Westley just needed to push and run hard for a few overs and try and score at 6 or 7 an over to get them within range so that the likes of Zaidi and Napier could have a whack. Instead they seemed to try and be a bit too clever and the pressure built and then they panicked. Instead of trying to tick over for a bit just to get things going again they tried to hit it even harder and lost wickets. Why Zaidi batted ahead of Bopara I don't know but I think that's classic Ravi, failing to influence a big game when his side needed him. The most frustrating player of his generation I think. Back to Notts and Will Gidman's signing was the one that really did it for me. Signed to the potential detriment to players of their own making like Ball, Wood and even Fletcher. In a way I'm glad it didn't work out. It was just a stupid signing. They didn't even need his batting as their middle order was renowned for getting them out of trouble when he signed. Yes - but in retrospect probably not a bad result for Glos. The guy hasn't been able to stay fit since - maybe that's karma! |
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