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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2014 7:50:14 GMT
When the car park was sold the proceeds went into an account monitored by the council and the funds were only allowed to be used for stadium improvements, floodlights, purchase of South Stand etc. But wasnt that a condition of planning approval rather than a commercial decision as is the case with Buckingham?
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Post by Northville Blue on Jul 8, 2014 7:50:56 GMT
When the car park was sold the proceeds went into an account monitored by the council and the funds were only allowed to be used for stadium improvements, floodlights, purchase of South Stand etc. But wasnt that a condition of planning approval rather than a commercial decision as is the case with Buckingham? I assume so Oldie.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2014 7:53:31 GMT
But wasnt that a condition of planning approval rather than a commercial decision as is the case with Buckingham? I assume so Oldie. Yep Which makes Totends comment ludicrous in reference to confidence in the Bod and the viability of the club going forward. But I realise, in your case, I am preaching to the converted here.
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Post by Northville Blue on Jul 8, 2014 7:54:27 GMT
Yep Which makes Totends comment ludicrous in reference to confidence in the Bod and the viability of the club going forward. But I realise, in your case, I am preaching to the converted here. :naughty: No comment.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jul 8, 2014 8:13:01 GMT
Yep Which makes Totends comment ludicrous in reference to confidence in the Bod and the viability of the club going forward. But I realise, in your case, I am preaching to the converted here. And perhaps as part of the lease with UWE they have insisted on this contractual arrangement between BRFC & Sainsburys? Christ Oldie you need to come up with conspiracy theories that hold a bit more water.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jul 8, 2014 8:20:33 GMT
Ignoring the OPs contradictory posts about the academy, doh.
Whilst we remain at the mem the current directors own an asset worth between £20-30m (pick your own figure based on the latest conspiracy theory) ie the land whose value is completely independent to the success (or not) of the team so we will be stuck with them forever or until Rovers die. If the UWE is built the directors will own a lease on a plot of land for 125 years on which they have plonked a football stadium that is only of use to Bristol Rovers. As the lease will undoubtedly contain clauses preventing the use of the land for anything other than a sports stadium (to protect UWEs position) & that lease becomes almost valueless, meaning it will become much easier to get rid of the directors.
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Post by longjohnsilver on Jul 8, 2014 8:29:31 GMT
why not scrap the new ground? isnt it just a massive white elephant? why not stay at the mem operate on a realistic budget get back in the league and forget some huge ground in the middle of nowhere that might just make us bankrupt! also scrap the academy we cant afford it,its not producing players and the best just get cherry picked anyway? were still making money from the players that have been snaped up from our academy and we still have players like lockyer clarke and harrison among the first team. i think scrapping one of the only things the club has got right over the last few years would be terrible for the club. as for the ground I think its worth the risk as long as the stadium is used to its potential i dont see how it would cost money. bristol is the only city its size not to have a arena for concerts ect surely the uwe could be hired out a few times a year.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2014 8:37:17 GMT
the new ground is a bit of a holy grail i know but i just think its become a vehicle for the board to get bought out for profit by god knows who.? we would only need a new ground if we were in the premiership i reckon but were in the bloody conference! how many conference or league 2 teams have an academy? i dont know i must admit but i think we need to concentrate on the 20+ professionals and get back in the league The new ground is part of what should be a long term plan to bring success to the club. The current 20+ professionals is the short term plan which will hopefully get us back in the league in the short term. The two are not mutually exclusive. i just think the legal costs etc played a part in the club not bringing in more players last season and is restricting signing options already this season? same with the academy scrap it to free up more money for the 1st team,get a strong squad,win lots of matches and the crowds will hold up. the mem only needs work if we get in the championship?
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Post by Peter Parker on Jul 8, 2014 8:37:51 GMT
why not scrap the new ground? isnt it just a massive white elephant? why not stay at the mem operate on a realistic budget get back in the league and forget some huge ground in the middle of nowhere that might just make us bankrupt! also scrap the academy we cant afford it,its not producing players and the best just get cherry picked anyway? were still making money from the players that have been snaped up from our academy and we still have players like lockyer clarke and harrison among the first team. i think scrapping one of the only things the club has got right over the last few years would be terrible for the club. as for the ground I think its worth the risk as long as the stadium is used to its potential i dont see how it would cost money. bristol is the only city its size not to have a arena for concerts ect surely the uwe could be hired out a few times a year. I mentioned concerts a while back. Realistically how many concerts can we have and what will we do to attract a finite amount of artists? Bristol Arena may actually be built in a few years, Ashton Gate will be redeveloped and have experience. There is the County Ground and now the Amphithetre seems to be a venue. So there is competition to hosts these acts
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Post by longjohnsilver on Jul 8, 2014 8:43:18 GMT
The new ground is part of what should be a long term plan to bring success to the club. The current 20+ professionals is the short term plan which will hopefully get us back in the league in the short term. The two are not mutually exclusive. i just think the legal costs etc played a part in the club not bringing in more players last season and is restricting signing options already this season? same with the academy scrap it to free up more money for the 1st team,get a strong squad,win lots of matches and the crowds will hold up. the mem only needs work if we get in the championship? cos thats worked so well for us in the past.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 8, 2014 9:07:53 GMT
But niether has our Academy with Harrison being the only 1st player stil with us, and there must be some doubt he'll be with us this season. Although as the likes of Hereford & Gloucester City can afford to run a youth team it can't be that expensive to run anyway?
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Post by longjohnsilver on Jul 8, 2014 9:49:33 GMT
But niether has our Academy with Harrison being the only 1st player stil with us, and there must be some doubt he'll be with us this season. Although as the likes of Hereford & Gloucester City can afford to run a youth team it can't be that expensive to run anyway? your forgetting lockyer and ollie clark , we will be getting paid for santos' departure and we got another 3 or 4 youngsters looking to break into the team.
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Post by Big Dave on Jul 8, 2014 10:37:51 GMT
Ignoring the OPs contradictory posts about the academy, doh. Whilst we remain at the mem the current directors own an asset worth between £20-30m (pick your own figure based on the latest conspiracy theory) ie the land whose value is completely independent to the success (or not) of the team so we will be stuck with them forever or until Rovers die. If the UWE is built the directors will own a lease on a plot of land for 125 years on which they have plonked a football stadium that is only of use to Bristol Rovers. As the lease will undoubtedly contain clauses preventing the use of the land for anything other than a sports stadium (to protect UWEs position) & that lease becomes almost valueless, meaning it will become much easier to get rid of the directors. The value of the Mem site is completely dependant on the fortunes of the football club. If you (ie Sainsbury's) want to buy it and the club has just been relegated, if your contracts allow you to then surely you would consider delaying the purchase in case you have to buy it from the administrator rather than the owner...?
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Post by Big Dave on Jul 8, 2014 10:39:50 GMT
But niether has our Academy with Harrison being the only 1st player stil with us, and there must be some doubt he'll be with us this season. Although as the likes of Hereford & Gloucester City can afford to run a youth team it can't be that expensive to run anyway? EPPP means it is/was funded by the Premier League but they get to cherry-pick the best players for nominal fees. Should have been scrapped the day the EPPP was signed along with the other 48-odd lower league academies...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2014 11:32:01 GMT
Yep Which makes Totends comment ludicrous in reference to confidence in the Bod and the viability of the club going forward. But I realise, in your case, I am preaching to the converted here. And perhaps as part of the lease with UWE they have insisted on this contractual arrangement between BRFC & Sainsburys? Christ Oldie you need to come up with conspiracy theories that hold a bit more water. No conspiracy theories from me old chap. Just responding to Totends assertion. And you sir are just guessing.
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jul 8, 2014 11:46:51 GMT
Not sure you guys who decry it are up to speed, so I'll enlighten you. Once the money for the Mem is due, legal agreements are in place to ensure it is paid into a holding account that can only be accessed with joint signatures of a Rovers director AND a representative of Buckingham Group to withdraw funds in favour of Buckingham Group as building costs are incurred. Any surplus will then be released to an account in the name of 1883Ltd which would then be used to clear most if not all of the directors loans or for any other purpose deemed legit by our board. So tell me, how do our board get their hands on the money exactly? Do tell, coz we might even get film rights as well. Still, why let the truth get in t he way of a good conspiracy. " or for ANY purpose deemed legit by the board" That line says it all Brian.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 8, 2014 12:28:01 GMT
But niether has our Academy with Harrison being the only 1st player stil with us, and there must be some doubt he'll be with us this season. Although as the likes of Hereford & Gloucester City can afford to run a youth team it can't be that expensive to run anyway? your forgetting lockyer and ollie clark , we will be getting paid for santos' departure and we got another 3 or 4 youngsters looking to break into the team. Lockyer surely came through Cardiff's Academy not ours, I did overlook Clarke but I doubt many fans would be too upset if he was replaced by an experienced Conference player. Santos' departure hardly supports us having an Academy!
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jul 8, 2014 12:32:14 GMT
And perhaps as part of the lease with UWE they have insisted on this contractual arrangement between BRFC & Sainsburys? Christ Oldie you need to come up with conspiracy theories that hold a bit more water. No conspiracy theories from me old chap. Just responding to Totends assertion. And you sir are just guessing. Aren't we all guessing, I'm just able to admit I'm guessing & offering alternative views. Most on here have over inflated opinions of themselves which won't alow them to admit to guessing with their conspiracy theories.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2014 12:37:16 GMT
No conspiracy theories from me old chap. Just responding to Totends assertion. And you sir are just guessing. Aren't we all guessing, I'm just able to admit I'm guessing & offering alternative views. Most on here have over inflated opinions of themselves which won't alow them to admit to guessing with their conspiracy theories. Completely agree. Especially Henbury. As for Totend, I do not think he realises the implications of what he was asserting.
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Post by CountyGroundHotel on Jul 8, 2014 12:37:28 GMT
Ignoring the OPs contradictory posts about the academy, doh. Whilst we remain at the mem the current directors own an asset worth between £20-30m (pick your own figure based on the latest conspiracy theory) ie the land whose value is completely independent to the success (or not) of the team so we will be stuck with them forever or until Rovers die. If the UWE is built the directors will own a lease on a plot of land for 125 years on which they have plonked a football stadium that is only of use to Bristol Rovers. As the lease will undoubtedly contain clauses preventing the use of the land for anything other than a sports stadium (to protect UWEs position) & that lease becomes almost valueless, meaning it will become much easier to get rid of the directors. The value of the Mem site is completely dependant on the fortunes of the football club. If you (ie Sainsbury's) want to buy it and the club has just been relegated, if your contracts allow you to then surely you would consider delaying the purchase in case you have to buy it from the administrator rather than the owner...? Nope Dave it is a piece of valuable land regardless of which division we are in. Now the current owners may view it as being worth more or less than the market will pay but the market doesn't give a toss whether they are buying from Bristol Rovers or bert's garage. Until the directors have plowed in more money than the land is worth then they can't lose (& won't go anywhere). Of course I'm completely unsurprised at people on here failing to grasp that simple logic.
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