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Post by pirate49 on Jul 6, 2014 15:35:58 GMT
There used to be a bloke who stood near me on the Uplands/Dribuild Terrace who would spend most of the match yelling, "On the ground!" I've just looked at the photo of our latest five newcomers. They all look of similar height. www.bristolrovers.co.uk/news/article/new-faces-1718691.aspxA few minutes 'research' has uncovered the height of three of them: Lee Mansell 5ft 9 Jamie White 5ft 8 Matt Taylor 5ft 8 Stuart Sinclair and Jake Gosling must be much the same. Few of us like hoofball but I'd like a little more height in the team if we're to challenge for the ball. These five may be skilful players on the ground, but we must also be ready for aerial battles. |
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Post by Westcountry Gas on Jul 6, 2014 15:52:25 GMT
Total football is on the way, can't remember the last time we had that as Buckle, McGhee & Ward were hoofball men. Trollope was a confused man who was getting eaten up by his pro licence books and Graydoom and Francis were old school. In DC i think he wants pace and skill up front and out wide, and in terms of height we have decent strength at the back to cope with stuff thrown at us, but going forward we are able to dictate how we want to play. I've noticed that all the top teams who get promotion are all about getting as many goals and as many wins as possible and i really hope the change in the way we get the ball down and play with a quick tempo will make us all feel human again watching us play, rather than games being played at pedestrian pace, the midfield flooded and the ball launched 70 yards from the centre half to players like Harrold.
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Post by phillistine on Jul 6, 2014 15:53:07 GMT
Ryan Brunt is 6 ft 1" - the same as Matty was and Ellis Harrison is 6ft . Harrison fancied himself as a centre forward and indeed if his head is in the right place he could yet prove himself in that position
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jul 6, 2014 16:31:43 GMT
You definitely need your head in the right place to win high balls.
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Post by brizzle on Jul 6, 2014 17:08:59 GMT
I've actively supported BRFC for well over 50 years now so I've had the pleasure of watching all the teams from the late 1950s onwards, and in all that time it has been the generally accepted perception that the other mob played ''good football,'' whilst we preferred to play the more ''direct route.'' I can't say that I have any regrets or complaints about this, as I've always found the style more exciting and entertaining to watch, which is why I've always supported Rovers. Full circle, really then, and don't forget that this timescale covers a whole host of managers and players. I think that it's possible that the playing style was forced upon us by the heaviness of the Eastville pitch, but for whatever reason you won't find me complaining about it. ''Eastville For Entertainment'' used to be one of our slogans, I don't remember any of our local rivals making any similar claims, even though they may well have been more successful in the conventional way. Hoofball indeed, we'll be hearing whooooosh next.  |
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Post by basel on Jul 6, 2014 18:01:52 GMT
I'm expecting us to try and pass the ball,get it wide,cross and have bodies in the box to challenge.
All at quick tempo.
We will attempt to win games from ko and not "chuck the kitchen sink at em" only in the final ten minutes.
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Post by markczgas on Jul 6, 2014 19:25:21 GMT
Total football is on the way, can't remember the last time we had that as Buckle, McGhee & Ward were hoofball men. Trollope was a confused man who was getting eaten up by his pro licence books and Graydoom and Francis were old school. In DC i think he wants pace and skill up front and out wide, and in terms of height we have decent strength at the back to cope with stuff thrown at us, but going forward we are able to dictate how we want to play. I've noticed that all the top teams who get promotion are all about getting as many goals and as many wins as possible and i really hope the change in the way we get the ball down and play with a quick tempo will make us all feel human again watching us play, rather than games being played at pedestrian pace, the midfield flooded and the ball launched 70 yards from the centre half to players like Harrold. Do you use this line about any manager who fails at Rovers or is that really your memory of the football under this manager ? Baffled ! |
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Post by Westcountry Gas on Jul 6, 2014 20:34:49 GMT
Total football is on the way, can't remember the last time we had that as Buckle, McGhee & Ward were hoofball men. Trollope was a confused man who was getting eaten up by his pro licence books and Graydoom and Francis were old school. In DC i think he wants pace and skill up front and out wide, and in terms of height we have decent strength at the back to cope with stuff thrown at us, but going forward we are able to dictate how we want to play. I've noticed that all the top teams who get promotion are all about getting as many goals and as many wins as possible and i really hope the change in the way we get the ball down and play with a quick tempo will make us all feel human again watching us play, rather than games being played at pedestrian pace, the midfield flooded and the ball launched 70 yards from the centre half to players like Harrold. Do you use this line about any manager who fails at Rovers or is that really your memory of the football under this manager ? Baffled ! McGhee "Parkesy hit Eavesy with a long one" Whoosh Did you rate McGhee's style? |
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Post by GasMacc1 on Jul 6, 2014 21:02:58 GMT
I share the concern of the original poster, as even if DC wants us to play on the ground, he can't insist that our opponents do so, and we might struggle to win the ball back if it's always over our heads.
But it's not so much the height of the players, rather ability in the air that matters.
For example, once Craig Disley settled into the PT/LL side, he rarely lost a heading duel. Yet I find he's "only" 5ft 11in.
If he's still got that ability, we'll see on August 9th whether we're outfought in the air.
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Post by phoenix1 on Jul 6, 2014 21:44:10 GMT
As a fan, I want to be entertained and want to see good passing football on the ground. I hate managers who believe in percentage football and encourage the ball to be played aimlessly to the central striker. How many times have we seen balls hoofed up to Matt Harrold with his back to goal often surrounded by about two or three other defenders only for the ball to come straight back and possession conceded? Or the ball played down the channels for the big man to chase. That is meat and drink for any half decent defender to defend against. I prefer a more measured approach up to the edge of the opposition penalty box and crosses whipped in at pace for the centre forward to win the headers that really matter - in the penalty box , not flick -ons on the edge of the penalty area.That is where you need fast maurauding wingers or wingbacks who can get crosses over like Carayol. For years England players have been chasing around like headless chickens trying to win back possession needlessly lost but gradually I think the penny is beginning to drop and some of the younger players at least are starting to adopt a more passing style of football. Hard work is required whether it is at international level or in the Conference. But what really sets the best teams apart is the movement off the ball. Too many players are lazy. they pass and then stand still instead of pass and move. How many times have we witnessed no movement at throw-ins and freekicks? Rochdale proved that good passing football can succeed in the lower leagues, as did Chesterfield.
So my message is clear -keep the ball on the deck and beat the opposition with pace and movement. No defenders like attacking players running at them at pace. Training should revolve around possession football, not cross country runs. If the players practice the right things day in day out, they will bring it to the match situation. That is exactly what Brighton did under Gus Poyet when they rose from league 2 to the Championship and it was what Swansea did under Martinez when he took over them when they were languishing in the lower reaches. It comes down to that footballing philosophy that many before me have mentioned. No matter whether it football or rugby , if you give possession away frequently, teams will punish you. Over to you Darrell!..The Board need to take a leaf out of these Club's approach in recent years as a blueprint for success.
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Post by LJG on Jul 7, 2014 7:35:00 GMT
I've actively supported BRFC for well over 50 years now so I've had the pleasure of watching all the teams from the late 1950s onwards, and in all that time it has been the generally accepted perception that the other mob played ''good football,'' whilst we preferred to play the more ''direct route.'' I can't say that I have any regrets or complaints about this, as I've always found the style more exciting and entertaining to watch, which is why I've always supported Rovers. Full circle, really then, and don't forget that this timescale covers a whole host of managers and players. I think that it's possible that the playing style was forced upon us by the heaviness of the Eastville pitch, but for whatever reason you won't find me complaining about it. ''Eastville For Entertainment'' used to be one of our slogans, I don't remember any of our local rivals making any similar claims, even though they may well have been more successful in the conventional way. Hoofball indeed, we'll be hearing whooooosh next. Funny innit. I've watched Rovers for just under half your time (24 yrs) and the style of play never seems to change between manager to manager, player to player especially the "smash it up field from the kick-off tactic". I've always wondered why that has prevailed above anything else? It's like they had a sign on the back of the changing room door in Twerton "If it's not smashed up field or out of play from the KO you're fired" and then they brought that sign with them to The Mem. |
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Post by brizzle on Jul 7, 2014 12:31:24 GMT
I've actively supported BRFC for well over 50 years now so I've had the pleasure of watching all the teams from the late 1950s onwards, and in all that time it has been the generally accepted perception that the other mob played ''good football,'' whilst we preferred to play the more ''direct route.'' I can't say that I have any regrets or complaints about this, as I've always found the style more exciting and entertaining to watch, which is why I've always supported Rovers. Full circle, really then, and don't forget that this timescale covers a whole host of managers and players. I think that it's possible that the playing style was forced upon us by the heaviness of the Eastville pitch, but for whatever reason you won't find me complaining about it. ''Eastville For Entertainment'' used to be one of our slogans, I don't remember any of our local rivals making any similar claims, even though they may well have been more successful in the conventional way. Hoofball indeed, we'll be hearing whooooosh next. Funny innit. I've watched Rovers for just under half your time (24 yrs) and the style of play never seems to change between manager to manager, player to player especially the "smash it up field from the kick-off tactic". I've always wondered why that has prevailed above anything else? It's like they had a sign on the back of the changing room door in Twerton "If it's not smashed up field or out of play from the KO you're fired" and then they brought that sign with them to The Mem. But like me LJG, you must have enjoyed the experience, or you wouldn't have continued to support the team for so long. Good man, eh?  As I pointed out in my previous post, I think that the style of play may have been forced upon us by the condition of the Eastville pitch. It was usually very heavy even after only a drop of rain, and don't forget that we haven't always played with the modern football. The old-fashioned leather balls that soaked up moisture until they became like circular breeze blocks, were not an aid to passing football particularly on the Eastville pitch. I saw some footage on YouTube quite recently of Paul Randall scoring a home goal, and the pitch was in a terrible condition. When Don Megson joined us from Sheffield Wednesday (firstly as a player, but manager designate), he came from a top team that was noted for playing good football, and I remember that very soon after his appointment as manager he famously said that Rovers supporters would have to get used to the team winning 1-0, and not 5-4. I may well be wrong, but I really don't remember too much change in our approach to the game.  |
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Post by LJG on Jul 7, 2014 13:20:18 GMT
Funny innit. I've watched Rovers for just under half your time (24 yrs) and the style of play never seems to change between manager to manager, player to player especially the "smash it up field from the kick-off tactic". I've always wondered why that has prevailed above anything else? It's like they had a sign on the back of the changing room door in Twerton "If it's not smashed up field or out of play from the KO you're fired" and then they brought that sign with them to The Mem. But like me LJG, you must have enjoyed the experience, or you wouldn't have continued to support the team for so long. Good man, eh? As I pointed out in my previous post, I think that the style of play may have been forced upon us by the condition of the Eastville pitch. It was usually very heavy even after only a drop of rain, and don't forget that we haven't always played with the modern football. The old-fashioned leather balls that soaked up moisture until they became like circular breeze blocks, were not an aid to passing football particularly on the Eastville pitch. I saw some footage on YouTube quite recently of Paul Randall scoring a home goal, and the pitch was in a terrible condition. When Don Megson joined us from Sheffield Wednesday (firstly as a player, but manager designate), he came from a top team that was noted for playing good football, and I remember that very soon after his appointment as manager he famously said that Rovers supporters would have to get used to the team winning 1-0, and not 5-4. I may well be wrong, but I really don't remember too much change in our approach to the game. Don't know about enjoy. Habit and sentiment have played a big part in keeping me coming back. |
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Post by mehewmagic on Jul 7, 2014 15:52:19 GMT
re the OP
I'm not fussed at all.
what matters is the talent of the player, and the coaching/system used by the management team.
and as others have said some relatively small un's have a cracking leap/timing on them, such as Disley and Ellington. I used to be involved in basketball and seeing people my size (i.e. slightly below average) dunk the ball was an eye opener.
and people like Dave Savage and Jeff Hughes never seemed to be great at using their height.
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Post by markczgas on Jul 7, 2014 16:34:53 GMT
As a fan, I want to be entertained and want to see good passing football on the ground. I hate managers who believe in percentage football and encourage the ball to be played aimlessly to the central striker. How many times have we seen balls hoofed up to Matt Harrold with his back to goal often surrounded by about two or three other defenders only for the ball to come straight back and possession conceded? Or the ball played down the channels for the big man to chase. That is meat and drink for any half decent defender to defend against. I prefer a more measured approach up to the edge of the opposition penalty box and crosses whipped in at pace for the centre forward to win the headers that really matter - in the penalty box , not flick -ons on the edge of the penalty area.That is where you need fast maurauding wingers or wingbacks who can get crosses over like Carayol. For years England players have been chasing around like headless chickens trying to win back possession needlessly lost but gradually I think the penny is beginning to drop and some of the younger players at least are starting to adopt a more passing style of football. Hard work is required whether it is at international level or in the Conference. But what really sets the best teams apart is the movement off the ball. Too many players are lazy. they pass and then stand still instead of pass and move. How many times have we witnessed no movement at throw-ins and freekicks? Rochdale proved that good passing football can succeed in the lower leagues, as did Chesterfield. So my message is clear -keep the ball on the deck and beat the opposition with pace and movement. No defenders like attacking players running at them at pace. Training should revolve around possession football, not cross country runs. If the players practice the right things day in day out, they will bring it to the match situation. That is exactly what Brighton did under Gus Poyet when they rose from league 2 to the Championship and it was what Swansea did under Martinez when he took over them when they were languishing in the lower reaches. It comes down to that footballing philosophy that many before me have mentioned. No matter whether it football or rugby , if you give possession away frequently, teams will punish you. Over to you Darrell!..The Board need to take a leaf out of these Club's approach in recent years as a blueprint for success. Fully agree with Pheonix once more  This theme is also in one of the questions for The Q & A on the 21st. Any chance you are going ? Would be good to meet and chat ? |
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Post by markczgas on Jul 7, 2014 16:38:44 GMT
Do you use this line about any manager who fails at Rovers or is that really your memory of the football under this manager ? Baffled ! McGhee "Parkesy hit Eavesy with a long one" Whoosh Did you rate McGhee's style? Hi WC Gas, I do remember that we tried passing it on the deck, using the CBs and Full backs, who then played through the midfield including the wide men (Carayol and brog) If you remember that was how we slaughtered Burton and Accrington ( near the end of the season). I also went to Crewe away and saw a very good game of football primarily played on the deck by both teams. The trouble was we were out-footballed by Crewe and lost 0-3  |
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Post by Westcountry Gas on Jul 7, 2014 17:07:01 GMT
McGhee "Parkesy hit Eavesy with a long one" Whoosh Did you rate McGhee's style? Hi WC Gas, I do remember that we tried passing it on the deck, using the CBs and Full backs, who then played through the midfield including the wide men (Carayol and brog) If you remember that was how we slaughtered Burton and Accrington ( near the end of the season). I also went to Crewe away and saw a very good game of football primarily played on the deck by both teams. The trouble was we were out-footballed by Crewe and lost 0-3 Those games against Accrington & Burton were great to watch and I will agree that when McGhee first came in, the second half of the 11/12 season did see some better football played massively due to the fact we had a superb winger in Carayol. As we then moved into the 12/13 season IMO the football deteriorated mainly due to the loss of Carayol but also i I think McGhee maybe came up with a master plan over the summer that being direct might help get us out of league 2. Recuritment in during the 2012 summer was shocking leaving us no quality going forward and relying on Eaves as a targetman when we lost Harrold to the ACL. I really hope that the first few months of this season are enjoyable because i honestly can't remember the last time we started a season well. I think Pre Season sets the tone for the months to come, also thinking back to 2012 we had a woeful set of results and the momentum going into that one was of a losing habit. If DC can get us playing football on the deck then i think although there will be defeats and possibly heavy ones, we will certainly win a lot more games than we have in previous seasons. |
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Post by markczgas on Jul 7, 2014 17:59:24 GMT
Hi WC Gas,
yes I agree with you too that the football did go downhill, but I hope you agree that we played it on the deck for quite a while, but as you said once Carayol left it did effect the footie. Eaves, was useful on the deck - hence him playing in Champ/L1 but as results started to go to pot so did our football.
McGhee in my eyes, once 11/12 had finished lost interest in The Gas, I was working at the club at the time and you could see it in his demeanour. A shame the board didn't give him a rollicking or sacked him earlier.
Cheers,
Mark
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Post by phoenix1 on Jul 7, 2014 21:42:32 GMT
As a fan, I want to be entertained and want to see good passing football on the ground. I hate managers who believe in percentage football and encourage the ball to be played aimlessly to the central striker. How many times have we seen balls hoofed up to Matt Harrold with his back to goal often surrounded by about two or three other defenders only for the ball to come straight back and possession conceded? Or the ball played down the channels for the big man to chase. That is meat and drink for any half decent defender to defend against. I prefer a more measured approach up to the edge of the opposition penalty box and crosses whipped in at pace for the centre forward to win the headers that really matter - in the penalty box , not flick -ons on the edge of the penalty area.That is where you need fast maurauding wingers or wingbacks who can get crosses over like Carayol. For years England players have been chasing around like headless chickens trying to win back possession needlessly lost but gradually I think the penny is beginning to drop and some of the younger players at least are starting to adopt a more passing style of football. Hard work is required whether it is at international level or in the Conference. But what really sets the best teams apart is the movement off the ball. Too many players are lazy. they pass and then stand still instead of pass and move. How many times have we witnessed no movement at throw-ins and freekicks? Rochdale proved that good passing football can succeed in the lower leagues, as did Chesterfield. So my message is clear -keep the ball on the deck and beat the opposition with pace and movement. No defenders like attacking players running at them at pace. Training should revolve around possession football, not cross country runs. If the players practice the right things day in day out, they will bring it to the match situation. That is exactly what Brighton did under Gus Poyet when they rose from league 2 to the Championship and it was what Swansea did under Martinez when he took over them when they were languishing in the lower reaches. It comes down to that footballing philosophy that many before me have mentioned. No matter whether it football or rugby , if you give possession away frequently, teams will punish you. Over to you Darrell!..The Board need to take a leaf out of these Club's approach in recent years as a blueprint for success. Fully agree with Pheonix once more This theme is also in one of the questions for The Q & A on the 21st. Any chance you are going ? Would be good to meet and chat ? Hi Mark, Thank you for your kind comments. Unfortunately I can waffle on when i have the bit between my teeth. I tried to send you a PM message but me and technology do not see eye to eye! I have submitted my question to the Club and hope to be able to make the Q&A on the 21st July and it would be nice to meet up and put a face to the name. I enjoy reading your posts and those of Pirate49 , Rod Chapman and Gashead Wes |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2014 22:59:06 GMT
i think some of the best rovers teams were pretty direct but also had exiting wide players who were fed with the ball,,bill dodgins rovers had graydon and jarman,,megsons team dobson and kenny stephens and after that of course many others purnell barrett haldane pipe and others,,i quite liked kaid mohammad when he was on the ball but he was erratic and inconsistent
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This theme is also in one of the questions for The Q & A on the 21st. Any chance you are going ? Would be good to meet and chat ?