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Post by therealist on Jul 5, 2014 23:35:00 GMT
A different thread got me thinking, hypothetically speaking, say BRFC was put up for sale (without UWE), what would you be buying and what would the price be? companycheck.co.uk/company/00051828
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Post by kingswood Polak on Jul 6, 2014 0:32:17 GMT
Same as Aston Villa
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Post by therealist on Jul 6, 2014 1:10:56 GMT
Premier League status, a quality Premier League ground, a quality training ground, some Premier League players and a heap of debt? We have Conference 'Premier' players, but not quite the same. All I can see is some non-league players and a heap of debt, is that about right?
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Post by chelt_gas on Jul 6, 2014 1:40:47 GMT
Alternatively, say BRFC was put up for sale separately from the stadium. I'd buy it and move it anywhere so that whoever owned the stadium (especially Dunford) would be left with a white elephant and no tenants.
That scenario would be similar to the Coventry escapade.
The club and the stadium cannot be separated for both the clubs owners and the stadium owners.
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Post by therealist on Jul 6, 2014 1:56:37 GMT
My view is the only way to get rid of the current regime is to go bust and start again. Seriously. Chairman Higgs and puppet master Dunny aren't going anywhere in a hurry, that's for sure.
We have gone from playing at the Millenium Stadium in front of 36,000 Gasheads, playing at Wembley Stadium in front of 40,000 Gasheads, to now facing the prospect of non-league football for the first time in 94 years, in front of one man and his dog at Alfreton, wherever that is.
The board have proven time and again they're incapable of appointing managers, running a sustainable business model, creating a harmonious atmosphere, showing leadership and so on.
EIGHT MANAGERS in FOUR years, TWO RELEGATION'S to drop into non-league, circa £8 million in debt, stadium looking increasingly dubious, a fractious fanbase. What hope is there with this mob at the club, really?
If the UWE project does end up collapsing, we could be facing the prospect of forming AFC Bristol Rovers, whether you like it, or not...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2014 5:29:42 GMT
My view is the only way to get rid of the current regime is to go bust and start again. Seriously. Chairman Higgs and puppet master Dunny aren't going anywhere in a hurry, that's for sure. We have gone from playing at the Millenium Stadium in front of 36,000 Gasheads, playing at Wembley Stadium in front of 40,000 Gasheads, to now facing the prospect of non-league football for the first time in 94 years, in front of one man and his dog at Alfreton, wherever that is. The board have proven time and again they're incapable of appointing managers, running a sustainable business model, creating a harmonious atmosphere, showing leadership and so on. EIGHT MANAGERS in FOUR years, TWO RELEGATION'S to drop into non-league, circa £8 million in debt, stadium looking increasingly dubious, a fractious fanbase. What hope is there with this mob at the club, really? If the UWE project does end up collapsing, we could be facing the prospect of forming AFC Bristol Rovers, whether you like it, or not... therealist is surely an ironic name when you post about 40,000 "gasheads",surely realism is facing the facts not coming up with armies of fans that don't exist.
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Post by therealist on Jul 6, 2014 6:35:59 GMT
therealist is surely an ironic name when you post about 40,000 "gasheads",surely realism is facing the facts not coming up with armies of fans that don't exist. The reality is 36,000 and 40,000 did turn up to watch Rovers like I stated, there was also the WBA game in the FA Cup where Supporters Club rep Steve Burns claimed they could have easily sold 30,000 as the demand was there. I didn't imagine that, it happened. Rare and unique occasions yes, but shows a level of potential that not all lower league or non-league clubs can offer, as highlighted by the attendance in the recent League Two playoff final for example. This is a city with a surrounding area catchment potential of over 1 million people here we are talking about, our last match also attracted an attendance of 10,500 after the worst season in the clubs history. The reality, as I see it, is there are two ways we could go: The Stockport County way - formely getting6,000/7,000 attendances in L1/L2, now getting 2/3,000 attendances in the Conference Prem/North. The Brighton & Hove Albion way - formerly getting 5/6,000 attendances in L1/L2, now getting 27,000 attendances in The Championship. Over to the board of directors...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2014 6:58:35 GMT
therealist,I am not disputing that 36,000 and 40,000 people turned up for those matches,but you originally said 40,000 gasheads,thats what I am disputing the fact that people go to Wembley for a day out once in their lifetime is not meaningful when discussing future league attendances ( IMO). Steve Burns can pluck whatever figures he wants out of the air,the reality is that Rovers haven't had a 30,000 home crowd for over 40 years and that was a one off against Man Utd. Yes there is a huge catchment area always has been and time has proved that there is no great interest in football in the area,even in citys 1st division days,this we are a sleeping giant with latent support is a myth ( again IMO). Stockport were perhaps a similar size club to us,ok they have 2 giant neighbours so they are always going to be up against it. Interesting that you choose Brighton though,those 5/6000 crowds of theirs were when they didn't have their own ground and played at other places ?,I went there in 1977 ( boxing day ) to see Rovers and Brightons crowds had all been over 20,000 up to that day,except one,they had 19,000 against Cambridge in the league cup first round ! Rovers were lucky to get 6,000 back then.
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Post by Angas on Jul 6, 2014 7:53:13 GMT
Rovers were lucky to get 6,000 back then. Ha, so that's a cricket smiley! I thought it was a bloke waving a football rattle In the same vein, what's a v a l ? val
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Post by eppinggas on Jul 6, 2014 8:04:38 GMT
The Division 4 play-off final was attended by 61,589 (a record for that division) - of which Rovers took over 40,000. North Bristol is affluent and expanding. We have a huge potential fan base which we simply do not reach out to. If the 6,424 die-hards feel dienfranchised - what do you think the 'missing' 34,000 feel like? Not going! The potential for this club is immense. No effective marketing and no communication to the fan-base. How we have ended up in non-league football is almost unbelievable. Utter and total incompetence by the owners of the Club.
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Post by eppinggas on Jul 6, 2014 8:06:32 GMT
f******g irritating emicons. F*ck off!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2014 8:09:44 GMT
f******g irritating emicons. F*ck off!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2014 9:25:52 GMT
The Division 4 play-off final was attended by 61,589 (a record for that division) - of which Rovers took over 40,000. North Bristol is affluent and expanding. We have a huge potential fan base which we simply do not reach out to. If the 6,424 die-hards feel dienfranchised - what do you think the 'missing' 34,000 feel like? Not going! The potential for this club is immense. No effective marketing and no communication to the fan-base. How we have ended up in non-league football is almost unbelievable. Utter and total incompetence by the owners of the Club. eppingas, The missing 34,000 ! no wonder sh1theads are calling Rovers deluded,to think that we used to laugh at them for beefing themselves up as a sleeping giant. Are you really saying that Rovers are potentially bigger than Aston villa or West Ham ? or Spurs ?,none of whom get 40,000 at home.
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Post by therealist on Jul 6, 2014 9:31:29 GMT
The Division 4 play-off final was attended by 61,589 (a record for that division) - of which Rovers took over 40,000. North Bristol is affluent and expanding. We have a huge potential fan base which we simply do not reach out to. If the 6,424 die-hards feel dienfranchised - what do you think the 'missing' 34,000 feel like? Not going! The potential for this club is immense. No effective marketing and no communication to the fan-base. How we have ended up in non-league football is almost unbelievable. Utter and total incompetence by the owners of the Club. eppingas, The missing 34,000 ! no wonder sh1theads are calling Rovers deluded,to think that we used to laugh at them for beefing themselves up as a sleeping giant. Are you really saying that Rovers are potentially bigger than Aston villa or West Ham ? or Spurs ?,none of whom get 40,000 at home. What about Hull City, Cardiff City, Swansea City and Brighton - do you not think it possible to one day match them attendance wise? I do.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2014 9:40:52 GMT
eppingas, The missing 34,000 ! no wonder sh1theads are calling Rovers deluded,to think that we used to laugh at them for beefing themselves up as a sleeping giant. Are you really saying that Rovers are potentially bigger than Aston villa or West Ham ? or Spurs ?,none of whom get 40,000 at home. What about Hull City, Cardiff City, Swansea City and Brighton - do you not think it possible to one day match them attendance wise? I do. Everyone of those is a one club city/town,with a large catchment area. Check Rovers crowds in the 70s when they were in the 3rd and 2nd divisions the crowds weren't great when they were promoted,in fact apart from the 40s/50s when al clubs got bigger crowds Rovers haven't been hugely supported. I am not bothered about saying that Rovers are a smaller club,I think all this "if we get a new ground","if a millionaire takes over and invests" "if the Wembley 40,000 came every game" is a bit delusional and will only end up in the deluded people who want to believe it being upset when it never happens.
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Post by therealist on Jul 6, 2014 10:03:28 GMT
What about Hull City, Cardiff City, Swansea City and Brighton - do you not think it possible to one day match them attendance wise? I do. Everyone of those is a one club city/town,with a large catchment area. Check Rovers crowds in the 70s when they were in the 3rd and 2nd divisions the crowds weren't great when they were promoted,in fact apart from the 40s/50s when al clubs got bigger crowds Rovers haven't been hugely supported. I am not bothered about saying that Rovers are a smaller club,I think all this "if we get a new ground","if a millionaire takes over and invests" "if the Wembley 40,000 came every game" is a bit delusional and will only end up in the deluded people who want to believe it being upset when it never happens. We were competing on a level playing field with those clubs about 15 years ago and outnumbering their support too, why not at least match their numbers at a higher level with better facilities? Of course that's possible IMHO. With a decent stadium with facilities to match, we could draw in 20,000+ with the right people promoting ticketing initiatives, i'm convinced of that. As it is, that sounds absolutely ridiculous in the present state, being stuck in non-league with a clueless and incompetent board in a dilapidated, old, ramshackle, stadium not fit for purpose. Such a shame, but it is what it is.
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Post by falsenumber9 on Jul 6, 2014 13:05:29 GMT
My view is the only way to get rid of the current regime is to go bust and start again. Seriously. Chairman Higgs and puppet master Dunny aren't going anywhere in a hurry, that's for sure. We have gone from playing at the Millenium Stadium in front of 36,000 Gasheads, playing at Wembley Stadium in front of 40,000 Gasheads, to now facing the prospect of non-league football for the first time in 94 years, in front of one man and his dog at Alfreton, wherever that is. The board have proven time and again they're incapable of appointing managers, running a sustainable business model, creating a harmonious atmosphere, showing leadership and so on. EIGHT MANAGERS in FOUR years, TWO RELEGATION'S to drop into non-league, circa £8 million in debt, stadium looking increasingly dubious, a fractious fanbase. What hope is there with this mob at the club, really? If the UWE project does end up collapsing, we could be facing the prospect of forming AFC Bristol Rovers, whether you like it, or not... Absolutely Honestly cannot see the club bounce back into the FL under the current regime.
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Post by Cheshiregas on Jul 6, 2014 13:16:20 GMT
What about Hull City, Cardiff City, Swansea City and Brighton - do you not think it possible to one day match them attendance wise? I do. Everyone of those is a one club city/town,with a large catchment area. Check Rovers crowds in the 70s when they were in the 3rd and 2nd divisions the crowds weren't great when they were promoted,in fact apart from the 40s/50s when al clubs got bigger crowds Rovers haven't been hugely supported. I am not bothered about saying that Rovers are a smaller club,I think all this "if we get a new ground","if a millionaire takes over and invests" "if the Wembley 40,000 came every game" is a bit delusional and will only end up in the deluded people who want to believe it being upset when it never happens. I remember being at Eastville in the 70 with 20,000s against Aston Villa in the League, Stoke and Man Utd in the Cup. The potential is there. Maybe not of 40,000 but certainly in the 20,000s with a winning side, proper management on and off the pitch and decent visiting sides.
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Post by mancgas has left the building on Jul 6, 2014 19:46:50 GMT
it's quite simple I wouldn't pay 1p for the football club, I'd be expecting Directors to waive any loans and shareholdings in return for my repaying any debt on the stadium, and a sum equal to the the remaining balance of the worth of the stadium as development site, for the site and rights to the name Bristol Rovers FC. I'd be expecting existing directors to meet any other debt out of this balancing payment, or take the existing football club into administration.
Then if I was very rich, and only wanted to be moderately rich I may look to buy the assets of the football club from the receiver, or more likely start a fresh and follow the Fleetwood model of basing all my businesses at the stadium and using rents and tax offsets to fund playing side.
Not a popular option, but one I think a hard headed business man with a long term view would take, rather than investing in the current set up.
And no I wouldn't expect for one minute the club to accept the offer, not as long as there's a 50:50 chance of UWE happening
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Post by mehewmagic on Jul 8, 2014 1:10:25 GMT
My view is the only way to get rid of the current regime is to go bust and start again. Seriously. Chairman Higgs and puppet master Dunny aren't going anywhere in a hurry, that's for sure. We have gone from playing at the Millenium Stadium in front of 36,000 Gasheads, playing at Wembley Stadium in front of 40,000 Gasheads, to now facing the prospect of non-league football for the first time in 94 years, in front of one man and his dog at Alfreton, wherever that is. The board have proven time and again they're incapable of appointing managers, running a sustainable business model, creating a harmonious atmosphere, showing leadership and so on. EIGHT MANAGERS in FOUR years, TWO RELEGATION'S to drop into non-league, circa £8 million in debt, stadium looking increasingly dubious, a fractious fanbase. What hope is there with this mob at the club, really? If the UWE project does end up collapsing, we could be facing the prospect of forming AFC Bristol Rovers, whether you like it, or not... therealist is surely an ironic name when you post about 40,000 "gasheads",surely realism is facing the facts not coming up with armies of fans that don't exist.
1 - suggesting that those fans who came to Cardiff / London weren't gasheads is very disparaging to them. most of them went a long way and spent a lot of time and money to go and support Rovers.
i'll give you a very simple example. My 2 brothers came. they went pretty regularly to Twerton when they lived in Bath. after moving away neither went as much of course, but they go to away games and the odd home game if back in Bath. neither can drive and neither has much money. yet they came from Leeds and Nottingham. My best friend friend also came, from Bicester. He's a Norwich fan and we've been going to each others matches regularly for over 20 years. he's therefore been to a lot of gas games, including some when 2 men and his dog have been there. he is an honorary gashead in anyone's eyes. To even suggest that those three aren't proper gasheads is insulting. I'm sure most of the 35-40,000 will have similar stories to tell.
2 - the OP never suggested they would all turn out week in, week out. if you read his original comments it certainly doesn;t say anything about that.
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