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Post by therealist on Jul 5, 2014 0:42:33 GMT
Darrell Clarke.
Is he a good man-manager? Is he a good motivator? Is he a good coach? Is he a good tactician? Is he a good scout?
So much reliance on critically important decisions affecting the immediate and possible medium/long-term future of this great football club falling on the decision making ability of a 36-year-old manager whose only real previous experience is in the part-time division below.
A risk?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2014 0:55:58 GMT
yes but mcghee ward graydon etc loads of experience,we simply need to give darrell clarke a chance,theres no other option even the board haters need to give him and his team a chance i think
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Post by therealist on Jul 5, 2014 1:05:04 GMT
yes but mcghee ward graydon etc loads of experience,we simply need to give darrell clarke a chance,theres no other option even the board haters need to give him and his team a chance i think Did he not have a chance last season, a chance to keep us up by securing 8 points from 8 games, including needing just 1 point on the final day against a team already on their holidays, highlighted by not even having a kit packed? Just an observation like. Now he "has a contract for next season" (chairman Higgs) you are of course right, we need to back/support him on a matchday, but are the board of directors backing him, by cutting the support staff and making them do several jobs and muti-task? Seems like he's the next manager being hung out to dry to me...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2014 1:24:27 GMT
you and i both know 8 games with a team in tailspin and no chance of bringing players in was a tough call now hes bringing in the players he wants and will stand or fall on the teams performances ref cutbacks losing league status and rugby means our budget has to be cut unless we had say steve lansdown which we dont,but if we can get a good mix of ability and spirit i think we can do well,it will be very difficult for the 5 new players to be worse than most of our recent signings with a few notable exceptions so i will be giving them every chance to impress me
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Post by dinsdale on Jul 5, 2014 7:07:19 GMT
It shouldnt all be on his shoulders. Where is the scouting network ? oh yeah its him. Where is the fitness coach ? oh yeah its him. Everything chucked at the first team, unmonitored and unconditional faith in the manager until we are all screaming blue murder for his removal and then start again.
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Post by jozer on Jul 5, 2014 7:30:49 GMT
Depends what is expected of him.
Question- do you think that the BoD's message to DC is "if we don't get promoted next season you will be considered to have failed, and can expect to be sacked"?
I very much doubt it.
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Post by Lazza on Jul 5, 2014 7:55:05 GMT
My problem with DC and whether or not he is a good manager was the final game of the season when ALL we had to do was NOT lose the match.
All he had to do was play a solid defensive formation and grind the match out for a draw, but no he chose to be adventurous and it cost us our FL place.
Sure he seems a nice bloke, but how can you not have serious doubts about a manager when he does that??? :wallbang:
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Post by p4perlant3rn on Jul 5, 2014 8:31:00 GMT
We started that Mansfield game with only 2 recognised defenders so I don't think you can judge him on that.
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Post by chelt_gas on Jul 5, 2014 8:36:40 GMT
We started that Mansfield game with only 2 recognised defenders so I don't think you can judge him on that. Agree there, there wasn't a defence available to defend so he went attacking as we had plenty of so called attackers. In reality they were as much use as a bunch of blunt nails and a foam hammer Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Post by rokerite on Jul 5, 2014 8:46:58 GMT
Darrell Clarke. Is he a good man-manager? Is he a good motivator? Is he a good coach? Is he a good tactician? Is he a good scout? So much reliance on critically important decisions affecting the immediate and possible medium/long-term future of this great football club falling on the decision making ability of a 36-year-old manager whose only real previous experience is in the part-time division below. A risk? Of course it is a risk, any appointment is a risk; but I like the cut of his jib. Providing off-field developments (or lack of them) don't sabotage matters, I think Clarke can buck the trend of recent seasons and take a relegated team back into The League at the first time of asking.
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Post by stig-of-the-gas on Jul 5, 2014 9:23:47 GMT
My problem with DC and whether or not he is a good manager was the final game of the season when ALL we had to do was NOT lose the match. All he had to do was play a solid defensive formation and grind the match out for a draw, but no he chose to be adventurous and it cost us our FL place. Sure he seems a nice bloke, but how can you not have serious doubts about a manager when he does that??? :wallbang: You want the John Ward way !!!!!!! Gobsmacked. At least we went down giving it a go - we just weren't good enough with the wafer thin squad available.
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Post by Bridgeman on Jul 5, 2014 9:26:50 GMT
Only time will tell my friends........
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2014 9:33:44 GMT
Only time will tell my friends........ thats true,theres no point going on about last season and mansfield etc its all about what happens next from grimsby on thats what counts now.
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Post by PessimistGas on Jul 5, 2014 9:52:45 GMT
Darrell Clarke. Is he a good man-manager? Is he a good motivator? Is he a good coach? Is he a good tactician? Is he a good scout? So much reliance on critically important decisions affecting the immediate and possible medium/long-term future of this great football club falling on the decision making ability of a 36-year-old manager whose only real previous experience is in the part-time division below. A risk? A huge risk. I guess that we will find out over the coming weeks and months.
IMO the last 8 games were a complete disaster and, although it would be a bit unfair to blame him for relegation, he certainly did absolutely nothing over those games to suggest that he deserved to be given the job full time. Nothing. Apart from cry. I fail to see how being a decent bloke with integrity, which he obviously is, is a qualification for being given the managers job. Not only that, the most important managerial appointment this club has ever made, the next 9 months could see the end of the club in its current form.
Lets hope the gamble pays off.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2014 10:11:36 GMT
Of course the Clarke option is a risk but we all know the circumstances but some choose to ignore. He has been landed in the s**te,not the first bloke to have that done at Rovers. But at least he is standing up and being counted. Unlike some.
I'd walk if I was him,he stands very little chance with the poison surrounding him from virtually everything Rovers. Let's hope the players don't turn.
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Post by chelt_gas on Jul 5, 2014 10:49:25 GMT
I think he may be a good manager but we need someone with the ability to scout and network, especially as there is no scouting team.
It's incredible we have used agents to suggest players we sign. Anyone want a monorail?
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Post by brizzle on Jul 5, 2014 12:16:00 GMT
Darrell Clarke. Is he a good man-manager? Is he a good motivator? Is he a good coach? Is he a good tactician? Is he a good scout? So much reliance on critically important decisions affecting the immediate and possible medium/long-term future of this great football club falling on the decision making ability of a 36-year-old manager whose only real previous experience is in the part-time division below. A risk? In attempting to answer the highlighted question only, I was a little surprised with how forthright DC was when speaking to the media about his squad, after he had taken over the reins from JW last season. For years and years I have become accustomed to hearing the manager of the day excuse poor performances (both team and individuals), by saying that the matter would be dealt with in the dressing room. I always believed that it might have been a good move for the manager to actually speak his mind honestly in public about performances. But after last seasons experiences I now have my doubts, as it appeared to have the opposite effects, and instead of motivating the players it only served to demotivate them. Or had they decided that because of what the manager said in public, that they had no future at the club past the season's end, so what was the point in trying anyway? It's a tricky business is man-management, too much stick and not enough carrot can be as bad as too much carrot and not enough stick. And the clue (for me at any rate) is in the question, man-management is entirely different from one player to the next. But after hearing and reading it all towards the end of last season, I firmly believe that to criticise players and the team in public is a dangerous thing to do. fadh
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Post by LJG on Jul 5, 2014 13:18:23 GMT
Of course the Clarke option is a risk but we all know the circumstances but some choose to ignore. He has been landed in the s***e,not the first bloke to have that done at Rovers. But at least he is standing up and being counted. Unlike some. I'd walk if I was him,he stands very little chance with the poison surrounding him from virtually everything Rovers. Let's hope the players don't turn. I don't get the argument that because he was landed in the s***e (which I don't actually agree with; he had every opportunity to finish the season amply) that he's now the man for the job. Why does failure at a higher level because it was a tough ask mean he'll succeed or is even capable at a lower level? That's like saying a six year old who can't do calculus will definitely know their nine times table - it's a complete non-sequitur.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2014 13:42:12 GMT
Of course the Clarke option is a risk but we all know the circumstances but some choose to ignore. He has been landed in the s***e,not the first bloke to have that done at Rovers. But at least he is standing up and being counted. Unlike some. I'd walk if I was him,he stands very little chance with the poison surrounding him from virtually everything Rovers. Let's hope the players don't turn. I don't get the argument that because he was landed in the s***e (which I don't actually agree with; he had every opportunity to finish the season amply) that he's now the man for the job. Why does failure at a higher level because it was a tough ask mean he'll succeed or is even capable at a lower level? That's like saying a six year old who can't do calculus will definitely know their nine times table - it's a complete non-sequitur. one obvious difference is he will have his team as opposed to being stuck with john wards team
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Post by LJG on Jul 5, 2014 13:46:06 GMT
I don't get the argument that because he was landed in the s***e (which I don't actually agree with; he had every opportunity to finish the season amply) that he's now the man for the job. Why does failure at a higher level because it was a tough ask mean he'll succeed or is even capable at a lower level? That's like saying a six year old who can't do calculus will definitely know their nine times table - it's a complete non-sequitur. one obvious difference is he will have his team as opposed to being stuck with john wards team Hmmm yeah. We've been through it before but again, I don't find that a very compelling argument.
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